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new active psilocybe discovered in Western Australia
    #14524880 - 05/28/11 03:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey guys was wondering if i could get some help on this one
it appears to be something different and new
however im no mycologist so who knows
so
found these growing in horse shit
they appear to be some sort of panaelous
they show light bluing on mycelium and stem buts
the only thing i know of wich fits the description slightly is
cinctilus however they look very different to cinctilus to me
i wont go into describing them to much the pictures should be enough
my friend and i cant figure out wat these are
so if anyone has any ideas would be greatly apreciated




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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14524885 - 05/28/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Whats the location they were found?


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: W4E2E0D]
    #14524892 - 05/28/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

western australia


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14524894 - 05/28/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Psilocybe, maybe fimetaria?


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Mikael]
    #14524897 - 05/28/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

are they active havent read anythin about em as we only really get subs and in very isolated spots to


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Mikael]
    #14524900 - 05/28/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its not fimetaria the some of the stems in the pics have orange stems im not an expert though so i cant really identifythem properly


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: jackus]
    #14524904 - 05/28/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is there any bruising?


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: lucas_southoz]
    #14524908 - 05/28/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeh definately light blue bruising on the bases of em


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: jackus]
    #14524916 - 05/28/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

These look to be a new active species. They are not cinctulus.
Cant see these details well from the pic but if they are pans the gills should be mottled and although the print is light the color ought to be black.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycot]
    #14524925 - 05/28/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well we're pretty convinced this is an active psilocybe as it shows bluing aswell as purple brown spore print and well just the overall look of em haha
my mate is extremely keen on trying some out
would we need to clean these or cut the buts off since they are dunglovers i've never dealt with poo shrooms haha


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14524928 - 05/28/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wait for a Trusted Identifier before eating them, Might save your life.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: lucas_southoz]
    #14524952 - 05/28/11 04:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

haha i know wat you mean i could pretty much garauntee theyre not deadly but yeh we still want an id first wich is why we're here

soooo...........
weres all the trusted identifiers at????


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14524963 - 05/28/11 04:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit nice find I think ive seen them few times before will look after decent of rain :wink:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: faiNt]
    #14524973 - 05/28/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't eat those!!
It could be a new or rare species, it should be preserved and properly identified. Take as many spore prints as you can, and preserve some caps for microscopy.
Find something else to get high on.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Tangich]
    #14524978 - 05/28/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha dude dont worry
theres plenty more where they came from


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14524984 - 05/28/11 04:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's good!
There's almost no chance this is toxic, or if it is it would cause only slight intestinal discomfort, so you should probably take it and test it in the name of science!:grin:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Tangich]
    #14524992 - 05/28/11 04:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha i gotta agree with ya there
i dont see them being poisonous definately not deadly
as far as i can tell they are either
fimicola (wich would mean the first find in australia)
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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14525022 - 05/28/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wow, cant wait to see what these are!




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    #14525457 - 05/28/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14525491 - 05/28/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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theres's a REALLLLLY cute fly on that pin


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mylfgur]
    #14525640 - 05/28/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

jeez i cant believe theres still no id on these guys it would appear that this is something new :smile:

so i've just come bak from a mates house where they were found
and well he ate 24 of em in the end
however he ate like 8 then about half an hour later ate another 2
then probly another half hour - 45 mins later he ate the other 14
he said he was feeling something but was a lil hard to tell as we also had been having drinks and bongs to
we're both experienced with woodloving species
he did say it felt a bit different but yeh as i said it was a lil hard to tell im pretty sure watever they are they wouldnt be very potent
wich was my thoughts from the begining i'd say maybe if all 24 were eaten outright there might have been a more noticable effect
anyway
i have brought home a few turds with pins all over em gonna keep em outside in the cool and study thier growth a bit more and try figure out wat exactly we've got here


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14525651 - 05/28/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they look like Deconica coprophila to me. wheres the blueing? i dont see anything that makes me think its a Psilocybe and not a Deconica. :shrug:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Mikael]
    #14525661 - 05/28/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Psilocybe, maybe fimetaria?




P fimetaria has a distinct ring like a P stuntzii.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14525678 - 05/28/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the blueing is very hard to see in the pics but when theyre right in front of you theres definately no doubt about the blueing
its there
they are definately not coprophilla i've seen many coprophilla and these are not them


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14525699 - 05/28/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ya i can see it in the pics.to me blueing is blueing. ya gotta be able to see it.:shrug:

i agree the cap shape is  different than usual D coprophila. but i still think these would be lumped into that species. i cant see them being active either. but they maybe something new so make sure to send out some spores.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14525725 - 05/28/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeh i know wat ya sayin man
oh well looks like a bit more studyin is in order
if theres any trusted identifiers that i could maybe send some kind of sample or print to i may have to do just that as i have no experience in microscopy identification


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14525734 - 05/28/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Very cool find. I can see were the basal mycelium is bluing. They appear to be an active Psilocybe but I'm not sure which. It will prob require microscopy.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: TimmiT]
    #14525779 - 05/28/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Couldn't really see much bluing either, maybe they're just really weak. You probably have to eat like 100 of them considering they're so small.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: TimmiT]
    #14525786 - 05/28/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Very cool find. I can see were the basal mycelium is bluing. They appear to be an active Psilocybe but I'm not sure which. It will prob require microscopy.




i cant see it .:shrug:  you should look at the spores for this guy! :thumbup:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14525788 - 05/28/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Very cool find. I can see were the basal mycelium is bluing. They appear to be an active Psilocybe but I'm not sure which. It will prob require microscopy.




i cant see it .:shrug:  you should look at the spores for this guy! :thumbup:




look at the close up of the mycelium. It is very faint but if you've seen blueing when you cut a stem it is very similar to that faint off grey/blue colour.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mrckb]
    #14525802 - 05/28/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Very cool find. I can see were the basal mycelium is bluing. They appear to be an active Psilocybe but I'm not sure which. It will prob require microscopy.




i cant see it .:shrug:  you should look at the spores for this guy! :thumbup:




look at the close up of the mycelium. It is very faint but if you've seen blueing when you cut a stem it is very similar to that faint off grey/blue colour.




ive had weak P pelliculosa and P stuntzii show faaaaar more noticeable blueing than these. :shrug: even when i found Conocybe cyanopus i knew instanttly cuz that shit turned BLUE , really blue.

it may just be my monitor , i really hope they are active, dont get me wrong. :smile:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14525849 - 05/28/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's pretty faint but it does look like bluing


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: TimmiT]
    #14525969 - 05/28/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

could it be psilocybe bohemica? it's a wood lover so I don't know?


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    #14525993 - 05/28/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Most definitely not.


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    #14526010 - 05/28/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:frown: I tried!


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14526023 - 05/28/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd say that is bruising for sure. Look's exactly like the bruising mycelium base that Ps. Semilanceata have over here!

Interesting find!


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: daz01]
    #14526038 - 05/28/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh i just read in PMOTW that D coprophilia is "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium"


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14526058 - 05/28/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

looks a lot like psilocybe samuiensis, which only grows in rice patties?? Maybe you found a new species of psilocybe, congrats man! :rockon:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526571 - 05/28/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wow this thread is cool,

psilocybe samuiensis you suggest? This the species native to thailand is it not?

Inski recently found this species in New Zealand growing from shit, it was not confirmed weather it was an import or was naturally growing.

Perhaps Inski could chime in here :P


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14526596 - 05/28/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is definitely an active Psilocybe species and as far as macroscopic characteristics go I'm quite certain it is the same as the species shown in the link below.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13323519/fpart/1/vc/1
At first I suspected this to be Psilocybe samuiensis which it does seem to be very closely related to but with some small differences in microscopic characteristics and habitat, the spores are ovoid to subrhomboid, P. alutacea is a temperate coprophilous species that is known only from Tasmania but is probably more widespread, the spores are described as being ellipsoidal-ovoid and the spores from the holotype are quite a bit larger and more elongated than what is shown in my micrograph in the link above, there is a possibility that this collection and the collection shown in my link above is P. alutaceae and just as good a chance that it is an undescribed species, it would be interesting to compare the microscopy here and also the DNA sequences.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: inski]
    #14526616 - 05/28/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

very cool! :thumbup:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14526669 - 05/28/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Very nice findings! :thumbup:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Oboy]
    #14526761 - 05/28/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome!  :leonblack:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14529200 - 05/29/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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as far as i can tell they are either
fimicola (wich would mean the first find in australia)




incorrect there are already official records from of Panaeolus fimicola from WA and SA. but awesome find though this is much better because its obviously much more active. hope it turns out to be Psilocybe alutacea under the scope :thumbup:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: tryptonite]
    #14529244 - 05/29/11 02:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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as far as i can tell they are either
fimicola (wich would mean the first find in australia)




incorrect there are already official records from of Panaeolus fimicola from WA and SA. but awesome find though this is much better because its obviously much more active. hope it turns out to be Psilocybe alutacea under the scope :thumbup:





ok cool thanks for the correction there i was unaware of this i looked and looked and couldnt find anything that stated they'd been found in oz

so it would seem these little mushrooms are causing a bit of a stir :smile:
i'll be doing everything i can to get these properly id'd

in the mean time i have some growing here to keep an eye on and photograph regularly i'll then spore print them and anything else i need to do for a proper microscopic identification

i also just thought i'd post this link here
from the first one that was found nearly a month ago
its not much couple of bad pics but thought i should add it here anyway

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14386939


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14529405 - 05/29/11 03:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Excellent find, I look forward to the microscopy report.

The stipes look quite different to your find inski.


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    #14529408 - 05/29/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nice find mycoelement, can't wait to see what they turn out to be.  :thumbup:


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #14529414 - 05/29/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, this is an amazing find! They look very beautiful, and grow directly from horse dung, which would probably make them an excellent candidate for cultivation!
(Btw, sorry for the offtopic, but Tripsis, you might be interested to know your KKL01 is fruiting!)


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Tangich]
    #14529418 - 05/29/11 04:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

im attempting cultivation now
should be interesting to see how easily they can be cultivated
to begin with i'll be attempting a simple outdoor dunglover type tek
i then plan on trying my hand at some indoor cultivation
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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14529831 - 05/29/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Amazing pics and very exciting news about these, thanks for posting! :popcorn:


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very nice. have this thread bookmarked.


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    #14530757 - 05/29/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Excellent find, I look forward to the microscopy report.

The stipes look quite different to your find inski.




I'm certain this is the same species, the stipe took on many different macroscopic characteristics with the collection in my link, compare this image,

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    #14530841 - 05/29/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Very cool find!


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    #14530944 - 05/29/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yes i see the resemblance for sure inski. :thumbup:


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    #14531453 - 05/29/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

holy shit I guessed right!?! But it was my second guess so it doesn't really count. :frown::grin:


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holy shit I guessed right!?! But it was my second guess so it don't really count. :frown::grin:




No, it's not P. samuiensis but it is very close in macroscopic and microscopic form to that species, if it is not P. alutacea then it is an undescribed species!


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:frown:


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These are the posts that keep me around the shroomery. Neat find!


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These are the posts that keep me around the shroomery. Neat find!




these are the posts that make me realize i need to live in new zealand ! :lol:


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ya mean australia!


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uhhh ya ya australia . :wink:


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    #14534238 - 05/30/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

just a few more pics for everyone
note the light blue ring around the edge of the cap :smile:


and some poo in a pot with some grass to help keep the humidity up :smile:


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    #14534260 - 05/30/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm certain this is the same species, the stipe took on many different macroscopic characteristics with the collection in my link




True, they do look very similar in those two images. Exciting stuff!


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    #14534400 - 05/30/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Great find! :thumbup:

What was the fruiting temperature
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    #14534488 - 05/30/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think Psilocybe alutacea is a good name for these. They match the description  of that species quite well. It would be interesting to see how they compare microscopically. Mycoelement did you get my PM?


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    #14534509 - 05/30/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think Psilocybe alutacea is a good name for these. They match the description  of that species quite well. It would be interesting to see how they compare microscopically. Mycoelement did you get my PM?





sorry man was meant to get bak to ya
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    #14534540 - 05/30/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Great find! :thumbup:

What was the fruiting temperature
and what is the altitude of the habitat?





temps lately have been ranging from probly about  18  - 22 during the day
and it often drops to below 5 during the night
we havent had a whole lot of rain lately but the area
where theyre found gets no direct sunlight and the ground has stayed pretty moist

as for the altitude well according to google earth when i run my mouse over the area its about 80ft
i dont know how correct this is but it sounds pretty right to me


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    #14534546 - 05/30/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ehtdaedlufetarg said:
These are the posts that keep me around the shroomery. Neat find!



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these are the posts that make me realize i need to live in new zealand ! :lol:



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pinelurker said:
ya mean australia!



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uhhh ya ya australia . :wink:




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    #14534657 - 05/30/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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just a few more pics for everyone
note the light blue ring around the edge of the cap :smile:


and some poo in a pot with some grass to help keep the humidity up :smile:





i see the blue this time!! :shineon:


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Quote:

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just a few more pics for everyone
note the light blue ring around the edge of the cap :smile:


and some poo in a pot with some grass to help keep the humidity up :smile:





i see the blue this time!! :shineon:






haha i thought you might :grin:


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    #14563305 - 06/05/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Great find! Nice to see that rare psilocybe species are being found by amateurs from time to time! :smile:


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    #14566898 - 06/05/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Great find! Nice to see that rare psilocybe species are being found by amateurs from time to time! :smile:




It seems to me the amateurs do more than find them time to time. Most of the rare Psilocybe posts on here are by amatuers who don't know what they have. Thats something i love about this hobby, the amateurs and hobbyists have a opportunity to make serious and significant contributions to the science of Mycology. Someone finding Psilocybe graveolens last year is a great example and continues to inspire me to get out there and hunt, who knows what is waiting for you in a clump of sedge?


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Great find! Nice to see that rare psilocybe species are being found by amateurs from time to time! :smile:





well im no mycologist but i wouldnt exactly say im an amatuer at this stuff haha but then thats just me alot of you would probly say im an amatuer i am however one of the rare west aussies who has had great success with cultivating psilocybe subaeruginosa i know this has been done by alot of people but with the W.A. species it definately has not
and these do not grow half as easily as the eastern australian varieties

anyway fact is i know that the southwest of western australia has an extremely diverse range of fungus and is very much unexplored
there are thousands of unidentified species here and theres very little research done in the area
aswell as the fact that new mushrooms often occur in areas that have been studied alot
and this is a classic case of this as with this particular species as a friend and i have done alot of hunting in the area these were found and this is the first time these have showed up
fact is in past yrs these were not in the area mushroom spores travel far and wide by many means and in this case with these mushrooms growing from horse dung in a place where well there is a certain NEW horse in my opinion this particular horse seems to have brought these guys with it

so basically wat im getting at is you should never give up you may have searched an area many times before and come up with nothing or the same mushrooms you find in that spot every yr but you may also find something you've never seen before in the area i live this holds very true
im constantly surprised by different fungus's i find that dont match anything in any field guide any where
wich is why i love to hunt around here you really never know when your going to find something special or something new
so even if you've searched an area time and time again and come up with nothing new NEVER GIVE UP the world of fungus has alot of  unidentified species and new species are popping up all the time and in places you would never expect them to :smile:

i think the reason alot of people considered amatuers find these new exciting finds like this is because the am's are the ones out there hunting all the time and exploring where as alot of the older guys who may have a bit more knowledge think they know it all already and dont expect to find anything they havent seen before


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mycoelement]
    #14578141 - 06/08/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Good post Mycoelement and what you say holds true for much of Australia.
I would need a small army of cultivators to be able to grow out all the undescribed actives I have come across in recent years. I wish I was joking as it is too much work for one person.
So yeah there are plenty of new undescribed species out there.


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I would need a small army of cultivators to be able to grow out all the undescribed actives I have come across in recent years. I wish I was joking as it is too much work for one person.





There's a whole commumity of willing volunteers here, spread the love! :heart::thumbup::wink:

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    #14690009 - 06/29/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hey all
i will be sending off some samples for microscopic i.d.
very soon in the mean time i just post up some more pics for everyone
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    #14690174 - 06/29/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nice photos, they're beautiful. :smile:


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    #14690177 - 06/29/11 04:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The first picture is wack! that cap is crazy :mushroom2:


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    #14690245 - 06/29/11 05:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

sweet. how did i miss this? :super:
who is doing the microscopy?

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Indeed, they are beautiful. They look really quite similar to P. mexicana.


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    #14690811 - 06/29/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You probably already know this, but it is a rare and interesting Psilocybe.

Microscopy is needed.


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You probably already know this, but it is a rare and interesting Psilocybe.

Microscopy is needed.





i am very much aware of this :smile:
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Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
You probably already know this, but it is a rare and interesting Psilocybe.

Microscopy is needed.





i am very much aware of this :smile:
samples for microscopy will be sent out to a few people very soon




Did anyone ever figure this out?


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Quote:

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Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
You probably already know this, but it is a rare and interesting Psilocybe.

Microscopy is needed.





i am very much aware of this :smile:
samples for microscopy will be sent out to a few people very soon




Did anyone ever figure this out?




Considering Alan is in Mexico and can't take sample right now, that would be a negatory.


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    #14946528 - 08/19/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I offered to take a look at them but haven't heard any more about them. If mycoelement has any samples I'm still willing to do the microscopy.


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    #14949304 - 08/19/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Damn this thread and find is F"N AWESOME:congrats::jamming::jamming:
GOtta stay tuned here - thanks for sharing mycoelement
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PLEASE get us more pics when you can




yes, please!
WOW! i dont know if ive ever felt more in the now :lol:
reality check!
now i have to go find a new mushroom :evil:

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    #18035554 - 03/30/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry to bump this thread, but was this ever confirmed as Psilocybe alutacea.

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Where abouts in WA was this found?


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Sorry to bump this thread, but was this ever confirmed as Psilocybe alutacea.

With thanks, Obtuse.



Yes Obtuse. They are Psilocybe alutacea.

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Where abouts in WA was this found?



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Sorry to bump this thread, but was this ever confirmed as Psilocybe alutacea.

With thanks, Obtuse.



Yes Obtuse. They are Psilocybe alutacea.



Who did the microscopy? I'm not aware of any being done. I never received any samples. I don't think their identity was ever determined.


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Lepkaun said:
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Sorry to bump this thread, but was this ever confirmed as Psilocybe alutacea.

With thanks, Obtuse.



Yes Obtuse. They are Psilocybe alutacea.



Who did the microscopy? I'm not aware of any being done. I never received any samples. I don't think their identity was ever determined.






That's all we have:

http://mushroomobserver.org/68266?q=1A4P3

According to Alan Rockefeller it is Psilocybe alutacea. Used references: TimmiT, Inski

Votes: 4  (TimmiT, Alan Rockefeller, Herbert Baker, Joust)



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    #18204688 - 05/02/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

sorry guys I got a bit lazy with all this
over the last couple of years these guys have gone crazy
theres always loads of em growing

no microscopy has been done on these and so there is no real concrete ID on these just speculation

i promise you the microscope will be coming out this season and they will be going under it

and i will definitely get a few samples to send out to a few people aswell

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    #18205020 - 05/02/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Ya dood. Send the samples.

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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Ganzig]
    #18205035 - 05/02/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: whattherast]
    #21867301 - 06/28/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Send a gill fragment to Inski and get some images up of the cystidial forms. Ive seen alutacea and it had several of the same macroscopic characteristics as these mushrooms - the stipe, the very mild staining at the mycelial base, conical shape and very pronounced striated margin.

Id guess its probable they are either a regional phenotype of alutacea or a new species.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #21867305 - 06/28/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another feature I noted from alutacea was significant frosting around the margin of young specimens.

Inksi knows this species quite well.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #21867314 - 06/28/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this thread is 3 years old


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: daz01]
    #21902730 - 07/05/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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this thread is 3 years old




This post might be 3 years old but the interest in this species in Australia is not old at all.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: mesq]
    #21902995 - 07/05/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Plus their close cousins as well.
Thought I'd mention it here considering the habitat of these mushrooms.
There are brumbies grazing a kilometer down the road from where my collection was made.
The fellow who caught them goes out to where I used to live to catch them.
The collection I made out there in 2009 was in a paddock where brumbies would come down out of the hills to graze.
I think these type of mushrooms are on the increase here.


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Re: possible new active panalous [Re: Heyowana]
    #21903365 - 07/05/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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