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I dont want to simmer my wbs.
    #14524430 - 05/28/11 02:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I got a 5lbs bad of penningtons classic, its been soaking in a 5gal bucket for about 40hours. I havent done any grows for about 2 years, i remember almost always simmering, but %90 of the time everything was mush, especially after the pressure cooker. Then it was usually burnt mush. So this is where i am and i'm looking for advice, I've soaked the penny's wbs classic for 40 hours, its strained and is currently drying on my table on some paper towels. I split a couple of seeds they're about 60% saturated with a dry middle, If i absoluately must simmer i will, but i'd prefer not to

I'm looking for guidence between here and the PC


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524439 - 05/28/11 02:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Also at the bottom of my bucket there was some grey, rocky seedish looking stuff, i wasn't able to remove all of it, I removed about half of it, is this stuff going to cause me problems?


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524441 - 05/28/11 02:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Get some rye berries and do this:

Works every time

I've done it dozens of times without fail. :thumbup:


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524455 - 05/28/11 02:25 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

this is what ive been doing later cause i always seem to do mush.

i steep in a bucket (periodically replacing the water) for 12-24 hours

then i bring to a very quick simmer, for 10-15 minutes, CONSTANTLY stirring! my arm hurts my the time i am done!

then i drain and rinse in a bucket that has lots and lots of lots of holes drilled in it (like a homemade colander with a lid!) that i can shake and it wont dry out. i usually let drain for quite some time (5 hours or more

its been working so far...

ive heard soaking for more than 36 hours is bad though because the endospores germinate and then reproduce quickly?? so im not sure on this.  maybe RR can chime in on this.

i think those things at the bottom are just stones, i get them too.  i try to weed them out if i can. i havent noticed anything bad if they happen to get into the jars.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524463 - 05/28/11 02:27 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I always simmer at least 10 mins. I rinse after simmering and put right in the jars then PC. I don't wait for the grain to dry and PC for 90 mins @15 PSI

I personally have always had perfect success with busted kernels, but others will say the opposite


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: bootster]
    #14524465 - 05/28/11 02:27 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Get some rye berries and do this:

Works every time

I've done it hundreds of times without fail. :thumbup:




I appreciate the help, but I don't have access to rye without ordering online, and honestly, i'm kind of already in the beginning/middle of this process.

So I really need help with what i'm doing now, not help with other options that i could do at some later date


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14524482 - 05/28/11 02:32 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I always simmer at least 10 mins. I rinse after simmering and put right in the jars then PC. I don't wait for the grain to dry and PC for 90 mins @15 PSI

I personally have always had perfect success with busted kernels, but others will say the opposite




Busted seeds and too wet of wbs had let to so much of that particular contam that starts with a B, bach*** something something, it's been a long time, i don't remember the lingo, but caused a total failure and thats what got me out of growing.

RR is going to tell me to simmer, Agar says its possible without, doc says to simmer.

I guess i'm looking for someone to say, this will work, or this will fail.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524488 - 05/28/11 02:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

it will work, just might have other moisture issues... maybe bring to simmer then take off heat and fill jars for PCing?


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524513 - 05/28/11 02:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Read down the thread a bit and it has WBS info.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524514 - 05/28/11 02:42 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

LVL12 said:
Quote:

bootster said:
Get some rye berries and do this:

Works every time

I've done it hundreds of times without fail. :thumbup:




I appreciate the help, but I don't have access to rye without ordering online, and honestly, i'm kind of already in the beginning/middle of this process.

So I really need help with what i'm doing now, not help with other options that i could do at some later date



Sorry to get off-topic, but I just want to mention that for people having trouble finding rye berries, do a google maps search of feed stores in your area. Then, call the stores or email and ask if they have winter rye or wheat grain (which works pretty good as well). They will most likely say no, ask if you can order a 50 lb bag. Most feed stores will order a bag for you that you can pick up a week later for around $20. Alternatively, you can check health food places but their stuff is usually a lot more expensive


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: Gzaajhom]
    #14524536 - 05/28/11 02:52 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Gzaajhom said:
Quote:

LVL12 said:
Quote:

bootster said:
Get some rye berries and do this:

Works every time

I've done it hundreds of times without fail. :thumbup:




I appreciate the help, but I don't have access to rye without ordering online, and honestly, i'm kind of already in the beginning/middle of this process.

So I really need help with what i'm doing now, not help with other options that i could do at some later date



Sorry to get off-topic, but I just want to mention that for people having trouble finding rye berries, do a google maps search of feed stores in your area. Then, call the stores or email and ask if they have winter rye or wheat grain (which works pretty good as well). They will most likely say no, ask if you can order a 50 lb bag. Most feed stores will order a bag for you that you can pick up a week later for around $20. Alternatively, you can check health food places but their stuff is usually a lot more expensive





I have seen wheat grain, and thought about giving that a go.
But i figured i had success with WBS and Coir in the past, I'd start with that to get some prints and then start branching out to things i haven't tried before. Rye isnt available as far as i can see, but if i can work with wheat grain, feed stores have that a plenty in these parts.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524541 - 05/28/11 02:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

OK, i ended up with more WBS from the 5lbs bag then i imagined i would, i'm going to simmer half, and leave half as is.

I'm open for ideas on the simmer, i kind of like the idea of simmer then directly PCing to dodge the drying part, cause i never dried anything correctly ever. always too dry or to wet.

So unless someone has a good argument against it, i'm going to give that a try


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14524545 - 05/28/11 02:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I always simmer at least 10 mins. I rinse after simmering and put right in the jars then PC. I don't wait for the grain to dry and PC for 90 mins @15 PSI

I personally have always had perfect success with busted kernels, but others will say the opposite




so far this is what im going to try with 1/2 of it.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524554 - 05/28/11 02:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

"I'm open for ideas on the simmer, i kind of like the idea of simmer then directly PCing to dodge the drying part, cause i never dried anything correctly ever. always too dry or to wet."

Good luck.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14524576 - 05/28/11 03:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

slapphappypill said:
I always simmer at least 10 mins. I rinse after simmering and put right in the jars then PC. I don't wait for the grain to dry and PC for 90 mins @15 PSI

I personally have always had perfect success with busted kernels, but others will say the opposite




Busted seeds and too wet of wbs had let to so much of that particular contam that starts with a B, bach*** something something, it's been a long time, i don't remember the lingo, but caused a total failure and thats what got me out of growing.

RR is going to tell me to simmer, Agar says its possible without, doc says to simmer.

I guess i'm looking for someone to say, this will work, or this will fail.




i would try a real quick simmer. rinse and let it drain well? load into jars and PC.


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14524584 - 05/28/11 03:10 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

LVL12 said:
Quote:

slapphappypill said:
I always simmer at least 10 mins. I rinse after simmering and put right in the jars then PC. I don't wait for the grain to dry and PC for 90 mins @15 PSI

I personally have always had perfect success with busted kernels, but others will say the opposite




Busted seeds and too wet of wbs had let to so much of that particular contam that starts with a B, bach*** something something, it's been a long time, i don't remember the lingo, but caused a total failure and thats what got me out of growing.

RR is going to tell me to simmer, Agar says its possible without, doc says to simmer.

I guess i'm looking for someone to say, this will work, or this will fail.




i would try a real quick simmer. rinse and let it drain well? load into jars and PC.




OP, thats your best method right there


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14524601 - 05/28/11 03:16 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I've never boiled,simmered,dried or whatever and am a happy camper.

As I've said "good luck".


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: bootster]
    #14603503 - 06/13/11 12:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just an update, I impregnated the jars on the 29th of last month, and there is minimal growth, i'd say on my best jar i got maybe 10percent coverage, maybe less. The jars looked great comming out of the pc, but have since looked way too dry (first time ever for that).

I have 2 1/4 holes only covered in tyvek and micropore tape. I'm thinking that I may have too much air exchange and its dried them out. On top of that they weren't oversaturated going in.

I'm trying another batch with the full doc's simmer. But i'm still concerned about those holes, 2 1/4" holes too much?


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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: LVL12]
    #14603537 - 06/13/11 12:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I dont want to simmer my wbs. [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #14603596 - 06/13/11 01:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Im going to try to inject some h20 and see if i can salvage some of the weaker ones, my main concern though, is 2 1/4 holes too much. I was thinking one of the 1/4 holes is supposed to be siliconed and used as an injection port. So it makes sense that 2 1/4" holes would be too much. I think i'm going to do a 1/4" and something just slightly large enough for a needle on the next ones.

But i was hoping someone could chime in.


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