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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: ThorAxe1]
    #14524291 - 05/27/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't a lot of problems with society, and your ideals are alright...but I think what it honestly comes down to is you are just making excuses for not wanting to work.

If that's not the case, then look honestly at what would happen if people didn't work.  Every single job is necessary for society to continue running the way it does...if you want to change how society runs,<b> be proactive.  Get a job where you can teach people to love eachother and show them how you think they should live and if you set a good example people will naturally follow suit.</b>  Sitting on your couch all day watching Netflix and eating Cheetos, however, does not fix anything.




Another problem is that sometimes (on mushrooms), I fail to acknowledge why I should be responsible for what the rest of the world has done. It's like I've come in in the middle of this big mess and I'm expected to help make it messier. Sure, I could be proactive and try and do some good here and there, but I am ultimately defeated by the uselessness and futility of anything I do.

But in the end, I am generally optimistic and realize that I'm responsible for my own satisfaction/dissatisfaction. It's up to me to make the best out of this mess.




The only thing that creates futility, is one's own belief that they are futile.  Every person has the ability to shape society, because if you can change one life who knows how many lives they will change in reaction and so-on.  As far as I'm concerned, wallowing in one's own "futility" is just cowardice.

We may be a bunch of damn animals, but if we've shown anything it's that we're a bunch of damn animals that can completely change our minds about anything at the drop of a hat.  Every single person on this planet holds enormous power, it's just a question of how far they are willing to go to exert it.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: tokinman21]
    #14524320 - 05/27/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

@ op: Convert them to mushrooms and weed. That'll spice up things at least. Any way that you can pull someone out of their routine is fair game in my opinion. Especially the cutter. When I was into that stuff, I did it because I wanted a change of pace and something new.

And sometimes you just to let people go. I know it's nice to unconditionally think that you have some sort of unbreakable bond with all the people around you, but they are living/changing just like everything else. I can't help my siblings out of debt, and pay for school. I can't be friends with some people anymore, because they simply are not who they were when I knew them (meth and alcohol). That's life. It sounds harsh, but only if you take the game of life too seriously.

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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: tokinman21]
    #14524369 - 05/28/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I appreciate all of your contributions. The problem I'm having is, I suppose, dealing with my feelings/ego. I've always claimed to be free of an ego, free of any traits that would come close to defining me as a person. For some reason I've always been uncomfortable with anything to do with defining myself. As a kid, coming into a new grade, with those assignments that required you to present something that showed who you were - I never did them. They didn't make sense to me.
Now, after years and years of failing to define myself, I'm finding that I have absolutely no traits. From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that makes me different than anyone else. And in thinking that, I realize how much of an ego I really have.
I'm still kind of all over the place at the moment, and I'm sort of writing whatever comes to mind.

EDIT:
Somehow I didn't include what I wanted to talk about when I first started writing this, which was that I am noticing how I would normally feel attacked by most of these posts, but an currently far more receptive than I think I ever have been.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: pescadorabioso]
    #14524370 - 05/28/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You sound extremely egoistical and pretentious.

Look at animals in the wild or the ones feeding off of what trash we produce. They have to FIGHT for their right to live. You're lucky since all you have to do is work a little bit and you get all this comfort and security knowing you'll eat and be safe afterwards.

Also, the only reason everything is sick is because that's how you observe it. If you change the way you think, you change the world around you. Stop living for self gratification and start helping other people.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: ThorAxe1]
    #14524380 - 05/28/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Perhaps I emphasized too much on the fact that I'm against the idea of working. It's not so much that I'm against it, but that I have a hard time with weighing the costs/benefits of it. It seems like it's too much effort for too little gain.



I think this is a problem with AMERICA. Americans work 60-80 hours a week for BARELY any money. I've watched documentaries about the working force in america and people in europe say that they don't know how americans work so much and that if they had to work that much they would kill themselves.

If the cost of living didn't go up, I would be completely content with 60 grand a year. It's enough to live very comfortably, eat out all the time, and still have money left over to save for retirement.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: ThorAxe1]
    #14524383 - 05/28/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ThorAxe1 said:
I appreciate all of your contributions. The problem I'm having is, I suppose, dealing with my feelings/ego. I've always claimed to be free of an ego, free of any traits that would come close to defining me as a person. For some reason I've always been uncomfortable with anything to do with defining myself. As a kid, coming into a new grade, with those assignments that required you to present something that showed who you were - I never did them. They didn't make sense to me.
Now, after years and years of failing to define myself, I'm finding that I have absolutely no traits. From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that makes me different than anyone else. And in thinking that, I realize how much of an ego I really have.
I'm still kind of all over the place at the moment, and I'm sort of writing whatever comes to mind.




Okay, at least you admit it. The ego is in place for a reason though. Learn to use it and don't let it use you.

Think with your heart, not your brain dude.

Sorry if I'm just blabbering...I'm tired :\


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: ThorAxe1]
    #14524387 - 05/28/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ThorAxe1 said:
I appreciate all of your contributions. The problem I'm having is, I suppose, dealing with my feelings/ego. I've always claimed to be free of an ego, free of any traits that would come close to defining me as a person. For some reason I've always been uncomfortable with anything to do with defining myself. As a kid, coming into a new grade, with those assignments that required you to present something that showed who you were - I never did them. They didn't make sense to me.
Now, after years and years of failing to define myself, I'm finding that I have absolutely no traits. From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that makes me different than anyone else. And in thinking that, I realize how much of an ego I really have.
I'm still kind of all over the place at the moment, and I'm sort of writing whatever comes to mind.




Do you actually not have any "traits" or are you just afraid to show them because you are afraid people will reject them?  Nobody is actually that generic, thinking you are just proves that you're human. 


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: tokinman21]
    #14524396 - 05/28/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:
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ThorAxe1 said:
I appreciate all of your contributions. The problem I'm having is, I suppose, dealing with my feelings/ego. I've always claimed to be free of an ego, free of any traits that would come close to defining me as a person. For some reason I've always been uncomfortable with anything to do with defining myself. As a kid, coming into a new grade, with those assignments that required you to present something that showed who you were - I never did them. They didn't make sense to me.
Now, after years and years of failing to define myself, I'm finding that I have absolutely no traits. From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that makes me different than anyone else. And in thinking that, I realize how much of an ego I really have.
I'm still kind of all over the place at the moment, and I'm sort of writing whatever comes to mind.




Do you actually not have any "traits" or are you just afraid to show them because you are afraid people will reject them?




Very good point. I think that the reason I don't seem to think that I have traits is that I'm afraid even I would reject them.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: ThorAxe1]
    #14524401 - 05/28/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ThorAxe1 said:
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tokinman21 said:
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ThorAxe1 said:
I appreciate all of your contributions. The problem I'm having is, I suppose, dealing with my feelings/ego. I've always claimed to be free of an ego, free of any traits that would come close to defining me as a person. For some reason I've always been uncomfortable with anything to do with defining myself. As a kid, coming into a new grade, with those assignments that required you to present something that showed who you were - I never did them. They didn't make sense to me.
Now, after years and years of failing to define myself, I'm finding that I have absolutely no traits. From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that makes me different than anyone else. And in thinking that, I realize how much of an ego I really have.
I'm still kind of all over the place at the moment, and I'm sort of writing whatever comes to mind.




Do you actually not have any "traits" or are you just afraid to show them because you are afraid people will reject them?




Very good point. I think that the reason I don't seem to think that I have traits is that I'm afraid even I would reject them.




Well then look at it this way.  Whether there is a god, or life after death, or any of that stuff, at the end of the day we are still animals.  And we're animals programmed to adapt and trust our instincts...so just trust them.  The world is what you make of it, and you have absolutely no reason to not like who you are.  Allow yourself to shine through, surround yourself by people who like who you are, and anyone who doesn't can go fuck themselves.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: tokinman21]
    #14524408 - 05/28/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We're all insecure, and we're all lost...it's just a matter of enjoying yourself while you make your way back to the path.


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14524552 - 05/28/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ThorAxe1 said:
Perhaps I emphasized too much on the fact that I'm against the idea of working. It's not so much that I'm against it, but that I have a hard time with weighing the costs/benefits of it. It seems like it's too much effort for too little gain.



I think this is a problem with AMERICA. Americans work 60-80 hours a week for BARELY any money. I've watched documentaries about the working force in america and people in europe say that they don't know how americans work so much and that if they had to work that much they would kill themselves.

If the cost of living didn't go up, I would be completely content with 60 grand a year. It's enough to live very comfortably, eat out all the time, and still have money left over to save for retirement.



I don't think this is true at all. I don't think most Americans work very hard at all, especially not for what they have, they're just lazy and love to complain about it. Take a step back and think about how ridiculous that statement is, that you as a single person would simply be content with 60k a year (60k to support a family is more reasonable, but then your wife has an income too). Do you know how much 60k is? Do you know how much the average person makes? Not the average American, but the guy working much harder in a field all day, just to be able to afford living in his crappy, unsafe shack in a shitty, unsafe country? There are workaholics in America, but these are usually the guys making hundreds of thousands, often times multiple millions per year. People working way too hard and forsaking LIFE just to amass more money for themselves that they do NOT need and deprive it of others, money they amass not to even enjoy. I can't believe these businessmen/banker types don't get made fun of more. They're obviously compensating for something. I think most people are so shallow and brainwashed that they literally believe a rich person is better than them, so maybe that protects them. :rolleyes:

OP, for someone who is partaking in mushrooms, you need to take a step back and look at this from a wider perspective. The cost/benefits of simple fast food/customer service type jobs don't line up? LOL. What's sad is the average American is spoiled as fuck and fat too, what's worse is that they can't even see how good they have it. To put such an enormous strain on the world and then spit on the privilege. Look up some statistics on how much energy/resources the average American uses up compared to the rest of the world. Now you don't think it's worth it to work at a simple, no thought job to sustain a life of privilege, comfort, safety and pretty much complete sloth? :doublefacepalm:

I'm guessing you're pretty young OP. I am too. I can sympathize with you. We were born late into a world full of shit. I feel like I'm just trying to catch up most of the time; it's overwhelming, completely. But what, do I try to build myself up or do I care about the world's overflowing problems? I can't get very far in either before the other blows up in my face. But well, we were born, too late to change that, suicide is too inconsiderate and being a bum is shitty, and also quite inconsiderate, so...:blewmeanie:


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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14524580 - 05/28/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Tripping and observing how sick everyone around you is [Re: the human abstract]
    #14524745 - 05/28/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I just want to thank you all for your support and honest advice and so forth. I feel like this has been a very revealing night for me. I'm going to sit down and set some goals for myself, small ones, but I am not going to let myself make just sit around and complain about how shitty everything is, because doing that has only elicited contemplations of suicide and several hurt friends and relatives.

All of this brings to mind something that I remember reading in The Catcher in the Rye a while back:
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one."

Again, thank you.


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