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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14527160 - 05/28/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't waste that much money on it.  There are plenty of other psychedelics out there that would do the trick. The power is not that much in the plant but in the person. After 100s of trips on many substances I'm fairly convinced.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14527534 - 05/28/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Actually I see deranger as a pretty positive person at least here. He's also got balls of steel when it comes to mega dose tripping. There's not many up to his caliber imo.




No disputing that. 

As for the other stuff this is what I was talking about-

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it has allowed me to take this newly found or awakened energy and do the things I want to do without feeling like I'm doing it for nothing.  This allows me to accomplish tasks at much greater ease, because I can focus on one thing, complete it, and feel good about it, and move on to the next thing.  I've been busier than I ever have in my life, with new work related projects coming into mind, and taking the action necessary to complete those projects.  And it's really working, and I'm seeing the rewards already.  I feel more of a desire to connect and make business relationships, which is what I struggled with in the past. 




That's not the deranger I'm used to reading is all I'm saying.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14527553 - 05/28/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't waste that much money on it.  There are plenty of other psychedelics out there that would do the trick. The power is not that much in the plant but in the person. After 100s of trips on many substances I'm fairly convinced.




Have you hit up ibogain yet Ice?

From what I know it the way it works is fundamentally different from the usual suspects...like salvia...so maybe it is unique. 

Hear ya though...


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Cups]
    #14527572 - 05/28/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's just old age. He's beginning the cop out phase of life. :wink:


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Cups]
    #14527576 - 05/28/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't waste that much money on it.  There are plenty of other psychedelics out there that would do the trick. The power is not that much in the plant but in the person. After 100s of trips on many substances I'm fairly convinced.




Have you hit up ibogain yet Ice?

From what I know it the way it works is fundamentally different from the usual suspects...like salvia...so maybe it is unique. 

Hear ya though...





No haven't played with it.  Send me some.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14527649 - 05/28/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I need to do some research and figure the average alkaloid content.  Those extractions are pretty expensive if it's feasible to do it yourself.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14527659 - 05/28/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's just old age. He's beginning the cop out phase of life. :wink:




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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Cups]
    #14527819 - 05/28/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't laugh too hard.:satansmoking:


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14527940 - 05/28/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wasn't laughing at him....I was laughing at you and your uncanny ability to be a dick and at the same time make a decent point.

Of course the only one who knows for sure is Deranger.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14528090 - 05/28/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Soooooo jealous! Glad you had a great time, I really want to try this stuff at some point. I've heard it's a little dangerous for some due to allergy, did you allergy test first? What's you opinion on the dangers? What's a break through kinda dose?




There's a few medical check ups you're supposed to get, but I took a chance and didn't.  There's lots of info on the eboka.info forums.  I don't have an opinion on the dangers, though it feels very safe for me.  It depends on the individuals health, how well they can deal with panic if it arises, their biology, etc.  There's no definite answer on what a breakthrough dose is.  Some are very sensitive to Ibogaine, and breakthrough at a very low dose, while for some it takes a much higher dose.  My advice is to start off small, get a feel for it, get an estimate as to what a good breakthrough dose would be. 

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Also did you experience any physical discomfort in terms of muscle tension or nerve pain etc? I can have a real problem with this when I start dosing really high with things like 2c-e so it's always a concern for me.




I know what you mean about the discomfort on high dose 2c-e trips. 

There is physical and mental discomfort but it feels totally natural, after you ride out the first wave.  No nerve tension at all from what I can remember.

This was the TA extract though, I've still got 25g of Iboga bark to test out.  This bark is different though, and Maya no longer carries it.  Supposedly it grows on rock and is the most potent form.  It might be a completely different ride than other varieties of bark.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Cups]
    #14528155 - 05/28/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wasn't laughing at him....I was laughing at you and your uncanny ability to be a dick and at the same time make a decent point.

Of course the only one who knows for sure is Deranger.





uncanny ability to be a dick and at the same time make a decent point.


Like any skill it takes practice. (shit I just realized that instead I could have learned to play the guitar:mad2:)


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: deranger]
    #14529645 - 05/29/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cheers for the excellent advice, I figure I'll probably get me some soonish. As for starting off small and working your way up with something of that price I don't think so. :lol:


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14529854 - 05/29/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Go big or go home ! :thumbup:


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: deranger]
    #14530123 - 05/29/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I always like to plunge right in first time. After all you only get one first time right? :tongue2:


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14530214 - 05/29/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I did that with LSD and Salvia.  Most things I took the chicken shit way.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14530260 - 05/29/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like in the 60's you couldn't do anything other than plunge right in the first time with the LSD around. I'd love to try that stuff. Only had real LSD 4 times and never had a full high dose experience on it despite taking 3 and a half hits one time.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14531284 - 05/29/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had six hits of sugar cube slipped into a coke and given to me by a "friend".  I didn't trip for two years after that but consider it one of my best trips in retrospect. I was very high.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14531869 - 05/29/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Cups said:
I wasn't laughing at him....I was laughing at you and your uncanny ability to be a dick and at the same time make a decent point.

Of course the only one who knows for sure is Deranger.





uncanny ability to be a dick and at the same time make a decent point.


Like any skill it takes practice. (shit I just realized that instead I could have learned to play the guitar:mad2:)


I'm pretty good at both. :stoned:


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I did that with LSD and Salvia.  Most things I took the chicken shit way.


I'm not a big fan of taking huge doses of psychedelics..too scary. :crazy3:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Poid]
    #14531930 - 05/29/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Must be fun playing an instrument well. I started so late in life I play like shit.:sad:


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Re: Ibogaine is downright amazing [Re: Icelander]
    #14531941 - 05/29/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's totally fun, especially on stimulants like speed/coke/ecstasy. :rockon:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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