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    #14523021 - 05/27/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So I have learned that there are some very intelligent people on this forum ( who would have figured that I would find smart people on a psycho mushroom website :grin: ). Okay question is.... What happens with quantum entanglement when one of the pair is sucked into the event horizon of a black hole?

Wikipedia description of quantum entanglement;
Quantum entanglement is a property of the state of a quantum mechanical system containing two or more degrees of freedom, whereby the degrees of freedom that make up the system are linked in such a way that the quantum state of any of them cannot be adequately described independently of the others, even if the individual degrees of freedom belong to different objects and are spatially separated.


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14523044 - 05/27/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14523073 - 05/27/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it happens all the time, black holes occur very frequently all over the universe. This is happening right now as we speak. What happens to the entangled particle that doesn't fall into the black hole? Is the same force applied to adjoined particle?


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14523239 - 05/27/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but is this where a particle falls into a black hole while an antiparticle falls out of it?


Basically the particle is made up for by the antiparticle which falls from the black hole, and thus matter was not lost.


It's taken from the theory where particles and antiparticles are all springing into existence very briefly and then clashing and neutralizing each other.

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I personally feel as though the theory in which matter is sucked into a black hole and deposited into a different dimension by Hawking is fairly solid. Although the projection theory by whoever is pretty nice as well.

A good trippy one is the infinite space x chance probability theory, where if space is infinite, any situation which involves chance (practically every situation), must occur although spread out very far.

I am both living and dying and being born every minute of my existence.


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: willowmp]
    #14523307 - 05/27/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't believe that Stephen Hawking said that they were deposited into a different dimension, as I understand black holes they are like a 2 dimensional lens of our multidimensional universe and so is the edge of space. The event horizon is just the surface of where our 2 plans exists together. Black holes given enough time will expel all of there particles even if it gives off 1 particle every 100 million years. In that way no quantum information is ever lost or created. But if one of them is frozen from our dimension is the entanglement broken until the particle is given off by the black hole. I think particles and anti-particles are the ones adjoined by entanglement. lol, sorry I kinda high I hope you all can understand what I am trying to convey  :grin:


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14523521 - 05/27/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lol I know the theory about the 2D lens was created by Hawking's biggest academic rival.


I think you squashed like 3 different theories into one. :lol:


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: willowmp]
    #14523562 - 05/27/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hawking also admitted he was wrong about his theory.

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1053983.html
On 22 July, Hawking stood before hundreds of colleagues at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin and said he had been wrong 

I don't think that I have smashed 3 things into one. Quantum entanglement is real force of nature not a theory as are black holes.


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526103 - 05/28/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

anyone? Come on now I know that there are some people out there way smarter then I am who know the answer to this question.


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526193 - 05/28/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dr. Quantum knows all he will BLOW YOUR MIND

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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526197 - 05/28/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know the answer to your question, but does it really mean I'm not smarter than you?

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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: Coaster]
    #14526278 - 05/28/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: SheikCorp]
    #14526286 - 05/28/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

we are all entangled with one another :coasterheart:


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526483 - 05/28/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: Coaster]
    #14526758 - 05/28/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't know the answer to your question, but does it really mean I'm not smarter than you?

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no not at all. I guess I was trying to say more intelligent then myself on this subject.

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we are all entangled with one another :coasterheart:




I absolutely agree with you on this. It's not just we who are entangled but everything in existence past, present and future.


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: Coaster]
    #14526767 - 05/28/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dr. Quantum knows all he will BLOW YOUR MIND

:coasterheart:




lol, have you ever seen this movie or read the book (I think its called what the bleep do we know)? I liked it but I think it might be made by some kind of cult. :mjk:


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526828 - 05/28/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I thought I remember reading that if a particle thats entangled interacts with another particle the entanglement is lost and the particles in black holes are constantly interacting. So maybe entanglement is lost once the particle enters the black hole.


I could be way off base though, I don't know much about it except some light reading.


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: pmb]
    #14526878 - 05/28/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Questioner: I sometimes have difficulty in getting a foothold into what I am looking for. I am trying to seek out the metaphysical principles, you might say, behind our physical illusion.

Could you give me an example of the amount of gravity in the third density conditions at the surface of the planet Venus? Would it be greater or less than Earth’s?

Ra: I am Ra. The gravity, shall we say, the attractive force which we also describe as the pressing outward force towards the Creator is greater spiritually upon the entity you call Venus due to the greater degree of success, shall we say, at seeking the Creator.

This point only becomes important when you consider that when all of creation in its infinity has reached a spiritual gravitational mass of sufficient nature, the entire creation infinitely coalesces; the light seeking and finding its source and thusly ending the creation and beginning a new creation much as you consider the black hole, as you call it, with its conditions of infinitely great mass at the zero point from which no light may be seen as it has been absorbed.

Questioner: Then the black hole would be a point at which the environmental material has succeeded in uniting with unity or with the Creator? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The black hole which manifests third density is the physical complex manifestation of this spiritual or metaphysical state. This is correct.

Questioner: I thought that I would make a statement and let you correct it. I’m trying to make a simple model of the portion of the universe that we find ourselves in. Starting with the sub-Logos, our sun, we have white light emanating from this which is made up of the frequencies ranging from the red to the violet. I am assuming that this white light then contains the experiences through all of the densities and as we go into the eighth density we go into a black hole which becomes, on the other side, another Logos or sun and starts another octave of experience. Can you comment on this part of my statement?
Ra: I am Ra. We can comment upon this statement to an extent. The concept of the white light of the sub-Logos being prismatically separated and later, at the final chapter, being absorbed again is basically correct. However, there are subtleties involved which are more than semantic.

The white light which emanates and forms the articulated sub-Logos has its beginning in what may be metaphysically seen as darkness. The light comes into that darkness and transfigures it, causing the chaos to organize and become reflective or radiant. Thus the dimensions come into being.

Conversely, the blackness of the black hole, metaphysically speaking, is a concentration of white light being systematically absorbed once again into the One Creator. Finally, this absorption into the One Creator continues until all the infinity of creations have attained sufficient spiritual mass in order that all form once again the great central sun, if you would so imagine it, of the intelligent infinity awaiting potentiation by free will. Thus the transition of the octave is a process which may be seen to enter into timelessness of unimaginable nature. To attempt to measure it by your time measures would be useless.

Therefore, the concept of moving through the black hole of the ultimate spiritual gravity well and coming immediately into the next octave misses the subconcept or corollary of the portion of this process which is timeless.





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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14526948 - 05/28/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:shrug:


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14526990 - 05/28/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dr. Quantum knows all he will BLOW YOUR MIND

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lol, have you ever seen this movie or read the book (I think its called what the bleep do we know)? I liked it but I think it might be made by some kind of cult. :mjk:



yea it was pretty cool but not as good as zeitgeist :shoosh:


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Re: question I would love to have awnsered for me. [Re: pmb]
    #14527021 - 05/28/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pmb said:
I thought I remember reading that if a particle thats entangled interacts with another particle the entanglement is lost and the particles in black holes are constantly interacting. So maybe entanglement is lost once the particle enters the black hole.


I could be way off base though, I don't know much about it except some light reading.




I believe that the entanglement of particles happened soon after the big bang and that the particles are always entangled with each other. I wonder what would happen if someone found a set of entangled particles and sent 1 of them into a black hole and observed the action of the adjoined particle here on earth.


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