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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14505182 - 05/24/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I would really let them chill for 2 weeks... I know it's tough, but I always wait longer than 1 week



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I give my half pints a full month.  If I was doing 1/4 pints, I'd give them 2 weeks of a consolidation period, easy.

To reiterate, the longer of a consolidation period you can allow for, without completely drying out your cakes, the faster and more prolific the first 2 flushes come on.  This is important because you get about 90% of your substrate's flush potential in the first 2 flushes.  Get your fruits before trich ever gets a chance to know a substrate's being fruited, let alone gain a foot-holding.

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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14505263 - 05/24/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ok ok ok ok I guess I have waited this long to see this much what's 2 more weeks. How do I tell if they're drying out? What if they start pinning?


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14505280 - 05/24/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If they start to pin thats perfectly ok! I doubt however they will pin within the first 2 weeks, but if they start pinning in between the first and second weeks, just wait until the 2 weeks are up as it wont hurt for the cakes to start pinning. Make sure to dunk with the pins on, and then roll in verm like normal


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~

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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14512262 - 05/25/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BUMP!!! Wondering how soon after colonization (100% to the eye) I can birth dunk and fruit my cakes... I have heard to let them consolidate and all that jazz but I am wondering how early I can birth a cake without the yield suffering...


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14512288 - 05/25/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1 week minimum bro, I wait 2-4 weeks myself or until I start to see pins


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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!

I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~

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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14512602 - 05/25/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's best to let the cakes consolidate in colonizing conditions.  The reason for this is because the mycelium's going to consolidate the cakes whether they'r in fruiting conditions or not.

Leaving the cakes in jars to consolidate keeps cakes from beginning to collect mold spores from being introduced into fruiting conditions (an open environment) while they'r trying to consolidate. 

You may see a lot of "blobbing" of the cakes after you birth them if you don't allow for long enough of a consolidation period.  The blobbing sets pinning way back. 

Having to leave your cakes in the fruiting chamber for that much longer gives the cakes more time to become contaminated before the first flush.

Plus, by leaving the cakes in jars during consolidation, consolidation is encouraged by the cakes remaining in a high co2 environment.

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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14522823 - 05/27/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So I plan to grate and spawn some of my cakes to cow manure(bagged stuff, water/sun leached) coir (from pet-smart) fine horticultural grade verm, gypsum. I don't have a thermometer so what can I do about pasteurizing? Does the pillow case method work for this (I have UTFSE and can't get a solid answer) and is 10-14 days long enough to let a little aluminum bred pan w/above bulk long enough to colonize?


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14522858 - 05/27/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I like to fruit cakes as cakes and inoculate grain spawn to be spawned to bulk substrates.

The pillow case method will work but is far more inferior to placing materials in bags or jars for pasteurization.  You'll need a thermometer for both methods of pasteurization. 

Just go to your local chain grocery store and pick you up a simple meat thermometer.  They'r only 4-6 bux a piece.  One from a dollar store will work. 

10-14 days for colonization on those trays sounds good to me.  Any period you can allow for a consolidation period of your trays would be beneficial as well.

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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14522933 - 05/27/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what about 'overlay'?


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14523006 - 05/27/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Overlay is a thick myce growth covering the surface of casing layers. 
Overlay is caused by the casing being too dry, low humidity and/or high co2 levels.

Overlay is an issue with the casing layer and shouldn't be a concern for you unless you plan on using a casing layer.

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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14523016 - 05/27/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

my avatar is a 1/4th pint cake.
i had 30 of them double stacked and harvested around 3 oz dry total grow


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: velvetmagician]
    #14523083 - 05/27/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

kewel! so can I cover it in plasti wrap and put holes in said plastic?


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14526391 - 05/28/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What do you mean by plastic wrap? What phase of the process do you mean?


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: velvetmagician]
    #14526603 - 05/28/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

After mixing my sub, after putting it into my bread pans, to cover said bread pan with plastic and put holes in plastic for GE.... More clear? I plan to basically make GIANT PF/Cow manure cakes for more nutes and more surface area. I plan to fruit it PF style in my SGFC. See how kinda bulking it works out for me...


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
    #14526658 - 05/28/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see. You could use tin foil as a cover too. Plastic wrap may puncture too easy. Will you use a dry verm barrier?


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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: velvetmagician]
    #14527054 - 05/28/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

IDK but I guess I can if I do it PF style.


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