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DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful?
#14522038 - 05/27/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have had a few experiences with dxm in the past. I always would space them out to just like twice a year at most. They always seemed to provide me with a trip that was similar to psychedelics in that I obtained valuable knowledge and insights and felt refreshed after the experience. It would provide me with emotional confrontation and although not entirely bodily pleasant....I would enjoy and have fun during the experience in a weird way. I always have the same intention with dxm as I do with psychedelics to learn from them and treat it with proper respect. BUt last summer I had my awakening so to say on psychedelics, which have had lasting effects making me more energetically sensitive. I usually work on balancing my chakras and connect to love and my infinite vibrational self. Could another dxm trip weaken this energetic connection I'm looking to maintain? Or do you think it would provide me with insight as it has before this awakening? I'm aware the trip could go many ways as any trip. Just wondering on your opinions and if you have any current experience with using dxm as a "medicine" or teacher. I really don't even know if I would take it again.....I've just been pondering this subject for a while.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14523099 - 05/27/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DXM is a pretty shotty drug TBH... but it's really where your mind is at as to what anything - anything - is going to do to you. I think we should stay away from anything except mushrooms, but that's just what my mind sort of communicates to me, as every other drug just seems to deteriorate me. If you feel you can benefit from dissociation, then do it, and stop when you've had enough.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: circastes]
#14526693 - 05/28/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah seems like most people dont get anything out of it and find the experience relatively unpleasant.... It always effected me differently....and my close friend too.....it would provide powerful music enhancement and emotions provoked from music. We had an experience one time where just holding weed win our hands on dxm would transfer the marijuana high. We would put the bud down, asnd then pick it up again and just get higher and higher from the plant. We would also get connected with others in the group trip and feel there anxiety and trip going south and focus and bring positive energy to heal the group and bring them through it. I mean very similar effects to what one would find in a psychedelic session
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14527031 - 05/28/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahah that's pretty cool, picking up weed and getting high from it.
I think a lot of people would agree DXM isn't a 'real' psychedelic, it's a kind of cheap substitute, it just doesn't do what mushrooms do. I get a few psychedelic-like effects such as the expansion of music you mentioned, too, and some weird kind of CEVs, bit like a confusing trance state, but overall the experience makes me feel like, well, hell, a robot - it's that artificial.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: circastes]
#14527143 - 05/28/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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circastes said: hahah that's pretty cool, picking up weed and getting high from it.
I think a lot of people would agree DXM isn't a 'real' psychedelic, it's a kind of cheap substitute, it just doesn't do what mushrooms do. I get a few psychedelic-like effects such as the expansion of music you mentioned, too, and some weird kind of CEVs, bit like a confusing trance state, but overall the experience makes me feel like, well, hell, a robot - it's that artificial.
Yeah like the worlds covered in Styrofoam is a description that has come to mind on one of my trips. Like being in a void teetering between euphoria and dysphoria is what i normally get. But idk that disassociation from myself provides its own value to me. I mean im not saying that it is as transformative and powerful as psychedelics (mushroom, lsd, etc) but it certainly has its own value to me. I just dont know if that disassociation would weaken this energetic connection im forming or if the insights would allow for an expanded awareness and understanding that would be of my benefit. Not anything I expect a definitive answer on, just something ive been thinking about
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: circastes]
#14527173 - 05/28/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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circastes said: hahah that's pretty cool, picking up weed and getting high from it.
hell, a robot - it's that artificial.
I've gotten that on mushrooms before too. I had eaten 2 chocolates at a festival, and by the time I got to the third when I held it in my hand I noticed I started tripping much harder. I would put it back in my pocket, and try to eat it again but everytime I held it in my hand I felt the mushrooms so much that I never needed to eat it. I just held it in my hand. It was pretty cool
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14528160 - 05/28/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DXM can be similar to psychedelics, especially at higher doses, where it basically destroys all connection to your physical body and you are left wandering in a void of thought-images.
In my view, the main difference between it and things such as LSD and shrooms, is that with the "consciousness expansion", there are little to no feelings of being "uplifted", or euphoria, which, I get the feeling, a lot of "spiritual" trippers pursue. It doesn't just come to you. The trip is there, and it is up to you to work with it. It doesn't just lead you like psychs seem to.
Something I've noticed is the straighter thinking that seems to exist during a DXM trip vs say shrooms. On shrooms, extravagantly maniacal persuasions can subtly work their way just under the very fucking base of your logical thinking, injecting absolute chaos into your physical reality. With DXM, I will usually see and evaluate the madness long before anything is acted upon.
Its so hard to put such concepts into words I don't even fucking know what I'm trying to say, probably sounds totally self-contradicting. But in resposnse to the thread title, the way you put it, I would without a doubt say potentially helpful, especially at blowing your dome
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: Luman]
#14528507 - 05/28/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was gonna say, good post! Sometimes we think we're just mentally masturbating, and we are, and sometimes we think we're mentally masturbating, and we're just not! But this might just be some more mental masturbation! I'd like to find the place where all the mental masturbators blew their load.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: circastes]
#14534324 - 05/30/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I haven't had any particularly spiritual experiences with DXM, but at the same time I've had some very intriguing trips (I remember my first DXM use involved my mind splitting into two personalities that proceeded to have a conversation between themselves while a third part of my mind passively observed the discourse.) The CEVs I had were also some of the most intensely vivid cartoonish visuals I've gotten on any hallucinogenic drug; the unfortunate side of the drug IMO is that each trip is nowhere near as powerful or impacting as the previous one, even with increased dosages. Marijuana is an almost mandatory supplement in my experience too... or you could always try Ketamine which is like DXM's professional-league big brother. With the latter dissociative I've been able to have out-of-body experiences into Universes of my own creation: at one point I was floating in a dark void of infinite space able to instantaneously create anything I thought of. 
Overall, I say that if the drug works for you, keep it as a tool in your entheogenic arsenal. It definitely is more than just cough syrup that high school kiddies get fucked up on.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: deCypher]
#14534940 - 05/30/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't had any particularly spiritual experiences with DXM
I didn't really understand what spirituality was until I tried DXM. For me it has been extremely spiritual on occasion, although not so much recently - but I think I might be pushing too hard or even flying too close to the sun if that makes sense? It certainly woke me up so to speak... Now I seem to go seeking construction of a utopian universe that won't break down under itself, but I am not sure whether it's an impossibility.
I think DXM just happens to suit my brain/mind more than most. I'd be quite curious of a breakdown of love/indifferent/loathe reactions to DXM by Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (I'm an INT, borderline P/J). It's my favourite drug, even ahead of mushrooms and LSD.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: huxmush]
#14537021 - 05/30/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the thoughtful comments guys. I'm just gonna leave it be until it feels right to have another experience. Which would be soon, could be never. Huxmush: I beleive it said my personality type was ENFP/ INFP
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14537038 - 05/30/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DXM is helpful if youre responsible
you need to be careful with dosing and maybe do an extraction.
i used to like it but i was also like 17.. smoking pot and dxm now would not be fun.. back in the day it was better than mdma
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14537356 - 05/30/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Methoxetamine
Just saying.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: Asante]
#14537616 - 05/30/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Methoxetamine
Just saying.
sounds interesting on erowid. Have any personal experiences you can share?
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14538019 - 05/30/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is just me...but I think DXM is fucking poison and would never pollute my body with such a toxic substance.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: weshroom]
#14539834 - 05/31/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I happen to have an entry one of our ,members made under the button, excellent review:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14539578
Yeah I have personal experience 
I became compressed tighter and tighter together with God, like light helium in a fusion reactor, until He invited me to become One, as of al;l the universe, only He and I remained in a very tight squeeze. I consented and we became One, God and I, and got compressed tighter still.
In the end, all was gone, only the Word remained. And the Word said: "You are God." There could only be one consequence, I soared in all directions, larger than man, larger than life, larger than a universe, a Minotaur like God/Devil figure amidst seperate universes. I did the inevitable:
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1
I spread my arms wide, billions of lightyears wide, and ripped an entire elliptical Universe out of the void. I raised my head and roared Primordial fire, and out ofr it a spherical universe formed. And there was no limit, no limit at all, creating universes like that it was just a trifle of what I could do.
I heard a small voice, closer than a brother or sister, deeply empathic, it was God, who emphatically remarked "Umm.. this is usually not the first thing people do when they discover they are God. I will ease you back to your human self.
And suddenly I was overcome with homesickness, from my omnipotence to my very limited human form. "Yes.. I have Seen.. take me back...".
This force I refer to as God had been grooming me to get ready for that experience of boundlessness for hours, and afterwards back to earth, like a coach prepares his boxer mentally and physically for the championship fight, so to say.
It was SO DEEP. The "grooming" preparation session was 50mg MXE sublingual, then when I was ready I was invited to take another 50mg 3 hours later and thats the one that did it. I will never forget. It wasnt a power trip, it was a "don't worry about ANYTHING in life, your soul is immortal, you are one of My guises" trip. Not inflating my ego over all else, showing instead that All is One and Fear is the Illusion.
I now still cry tears of joy thinking back. It was SO BEAUTIFUL and the most reassuring, comforting experience of my life. Theres NOTHING to fear. All is One, and Thou art That. I've been saying that a long while now, but MXE made me EXPERIENCE it. Ever since, and its a few months on, ALL my fears on ALL levels have markedly reduced. I have Seen. Even if it was a delusion, it was a highly therapeutic delusion cause fear used to rule me. It never has since, to that extent.
And bear the fuck in mind: this was a week after I almost died on the ER by an accidental drug overdose, this was a session I took for the purpose of coming to terms with my overwhelming fears of almost dying for real that week. And look what it did! It gave me the most reassuring, death-anxiety extinguishing experience possible. Exactly what I needed, more than I could EVER hope for at that time.
After hours of preparation, I was physically compressed into accepting being part of God, and was shown eternity, infinity, taught not to weorry about Life's woes and then eased back to the ground in the most personal way imaginable.

By contrast, 200mg DXM left me feelinmg drunk and extremely nauseous.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: Asante]
#14540856 - 05/31/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I happen to have an entry one of our ,members made under the button, excellent review:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14539578
Yeah I have personal experience 
I became compressed tighter and tighter together with God, like light helium in a fusion reactor, until He invited me to become One, as of al;l the universe, only He and I remained in a very tight squeeze. I consented and we became One, God and I, and got compressed tighter still.
In the end, all was gone, only the Word remained. And the Word said: "You are God." There could only be one consequence, I soared in all directions, larger than man, larger than life, larger than a universe, a Minotaur like God/Devil figure amidst seperate universes. I did the inevitable:
Quote:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1
I spread my arms wide, billions of lightyears wide, and ripped an entire elliptical Universe out of the void. I raised my head and roared Primordial fire, and out ofr it a spherical universe formed. And there was no limit, no limit at all, creating universes like that it was just a trifle of what I could do.
I heard a small voice, closer than a brother or sister, deeply empathic, it was God, who emphatically remarked "Umm.. this is usually not the first thing people do when they discover they are God. I will ease you back to your human self.
And suddenly I was overcome with homesickness, from my omnipotence to my very limited human form. "Yes.. I have Seen.. take me back...".
This force I refer to as God had been grooming me to get ready for that experience of boundlessness for hours, and afterwards back to earth, like a coach prepares his boxer mentally and physically for the championship fight, so to say.
It was SO DEEP. The "grooming" preparation session was 50mg MXE sublingual, then when I was ready I was invited to take another 50mg 3 hours later and thats the one that did it. I will never forget. It wasnt a power trip, it was a "don't worry about ANYTHING in life, your soul is immortal, you are one of My guises" trip. Not inflating my ego over all else, showing instead that All is One and Fear is the Illusion.
I now still cry tears of joy thinking back. It was SO BEAUTIFUL and the most reassuring, comforting experience of my life. Theres NOTHING to fear. All is One, and Thou art That. I've been saying that a long while now, but MXE made me EXPERIENCE it. Ever since, and its a few months on, ALL my fears on ALL levels have markedly reduced. I have Seen. Even if it was a delusion, it was a highly therapeutic delusion cause fear used to rule me. It never has since, to that extent.
And bear the fuck in mind: this was a week after I almost died on the ER by an accidental drug overdose, this was a session I took for the purpose of coming to terms with my overwhelming fears of almost dying for real that week. And look what it did! It gave me the most reassuring, death-anxiety extinguishing experience possible. Exactly what I needed, more than I could EVER hope for at that time.
After hours of preparation, I was physically compressed into accepting being part of God, and was shown eternity, infinity, taught not to weorry about Life's woes and then eased back to the ground in the most personal way imaginable.

By contrast, 200mg DXM left me feelinmg drunk and extremely nauseous.
Thank you so much for sharing that experience.   Truly beyond words im sure but you conveyed the expansive oneness beautifully. The experience was revealed to you at the perfect time and im glad to hear you are doing good since then. I have never really experimented with RC just for my fear of the unknown, healthwise atleast. I am inspired to learn more about this substance revealed at this moment however.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: Asante]
#14541460 - 05/31/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can relate to your experience. The "coaching" , the realization that i am god etc.. but this is the part that i guess makes us all different ..
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: jivJaN]
#14541804 - 05/31/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always been intrigued by your sig JivJaN, the "Feel no fear.. and die trying to fly" and the inking of the jumper without parachute.
Would you care to tell whats behind it? If you prefer PM, gladly. You're not contemplating something drastic are you? What appeals to me is the call to be free of fear. It goes well with what I wrote here I guess, thatys all about fear and loss thereof. Care to share?
Also "breathe" in your avatar? Are you like me that on high doses of shrooms you forget to breathe occasinally, or is there another story?
Always been curious.
As to the subject of this thread OP, I mentioned Methoxetamine because I think (but thats me) that it is a better drug. Its my perception of things that Ketamine is less dangerous than DXM and MXE lies inbetween. Downside to ketamine is the very short duration so you keep redosing to stay high for hours. This redosing obviously isnt good for the brain and liver, so I think in single dose the health adversity is
(worst) DXM > MXE > K (best)
But if you want to stay high for hours it might just be that, given redoses with K it becomes:
DXM > K > MXE
Remember, DXM has dissociative SIDE EFFECTS. Ketamine is designed for ANESTHESIA. But MXE is designed by a clandestine chemist with recreational properties in mind, ie not cough suppression or anesthesia.
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Re: DXM.. potentially helpful or just harmful? [Re: Asante]
#14544126 - 06/01/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't worry im not suicidal  the sig is more of a mind fuck
am i saying that you will die trying to fly as a warning ? or am i encouraging it ?
it kinda came about from various different ideas i was musing with at the time. lucid dreaming, ego death etc..
The picture with "breathe" came about because it was something i learned on that same experience i mentioned in the previous post.
I believe that ego death , nirvana , stillness or whichever popular term you want to use can be experienced quite easily with a decent dose of mushrooms in silent darkness and attentiveness towards breathing.
The waves of positive bodily sensations and emotions made me grateful to the mushroom and as thought began to dissipate the feeling of gratitude stayed with nothing more than breath to direct it at. I guess on some primal level this can then be translated into appreciation of life and finally led me to what i can now see as maybe a humorous realization that if there was a god , "breathing" would be the only thing it DOES.
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