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According to a new book, The Psychopath Test, 1 out of every 100 people walking around, 25% of the prison population, and 4% of corporate chiefs are psychopaths. So, how many s are?
Psychopaths are fascinating, they don't have normal human emotions. They are anti-social. They satisfy themselves and control others using violence, sex, charm, and intimidation.
Also, some people can sense psychopaths because they are a sort of inter-species predator.
In a recent study they found that psychopaths released four times the amount of dopamine when given an amphetamine than normal people. 
Psychopaths have no empathy, they understand that somethings are seen as wrong, but can't feel guilt or shame for doing them.
I guess the dopamine is why psychopaths do what they do, to get extreme pleasure.
Like that quote which says something like- "Those who resist their desires do so only because their desires are weak enough to be resisted."
I am curious to see what would happen if you gave a psychopath a psychedelic drug. Would it be purely a trip or would it shake them out of their empathy-free, cold, shell?
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521238 - 05/27/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The comedown from shrooms are extremely depressing.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521241 - 05/27/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I have a psychopath sense. I've been good at staying far away from manipulative people who end up causing other people, oftentimes my own friends, serious problems in life. I've met a fair number of really nasty people with really elaborate facades that I've nonetheless been pretty wise to when others were not.
I think my psychopath sense stems from having an overactive superego, since psychopaths lack such a thing they stick out like a sore thumb.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521242 - 05/27/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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im slightly psychopathic..
I think drugs make me more detached to sober people and more interesting to drug people
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521246 - 05/27/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I doubt psychedelics would change a Psychopath. They're pretty messed up, really.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
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I think Wiccan experimented with a psychopath and ecstasy, which resulted in the psychopath experiencing deep feelings of love for himself and only himself.
I don't know if I was born with a "psychopath sense", but I sure learned to cultivate one over the years.
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I also doubt that a psychedelic trip could cause a psychopath to feel things... unless you believe a man could grow a vagina from eating mushrooms, too.
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Mind Transcribing said: I think Wiccan experimented with a psychopath and ecstasy, which resulted in the psychopath experiencing deep feelings of love for himself and only himself.
I don't know if I was born with a "psychopath sense", but I sure learned to cultivate one over the years.
That's intense.
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i would love to be a psychopath.
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I must admit, the idea of being able to operate in absence of the ability to care about how others feel does seem like it could be a good time.
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Mind Transcribing said: I think Wiccan experimented with a psychopath and ecstasy, which resulted in the psychopath experiencing deep feelings of love for himself and only himself.
I was going to mention MDMA in that OP.
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The Ecstatic said: i would love to be a psychopath.
Really? I sure wouldn't.
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Mind Transcribing said: I think Wiccan experimented with a psychopath and ecstasy, which resulted in the psychopath experiencing deep feelings of love for himself and only himself.
I don't know if I was born with a "psychopath sense", but I sure learned to cultivate one over the years.
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Oook, here goes! It was in the early 1990s when my tripping buddies & me had just discovered Ecstasy. We were using these he-man MDEA tablets, the real thing and damn effective!
We decided to have a friend of ours join in on the sessions. We figured he could use it as he was a bit.. well.. less social at times. Little did we know that he had gotten treatment & the diagnosis of Antisocial Personality Disorder. (Sociopath/Psychopath as they used to call that)
So two of us (a female friend & me) decided to pull him into the session circuit. Now at that time I didn't know a quarter of what I know now and I still believed a lot of the Ecstasy BS, which in those days included such gems as "Ecstasy cannot give a Bad Trip" and "Chemical Love will conquer all". 
So, there's this evening we three got together. She had scored 2 tabs (good thing they were not 3 ) so we each got off on a half-tab, being 70mg MDEA. The setting was my bedroom, the floor covered with wall-to-wall matresses as was routine when we tripped @ my place and, which proved to be important, some martial arts wallpieces: a Bo stick, two hardwood Nunchaku's and, oh dread, a short Wakizashi sword. If we had known he had gotten in problems with the law for violence years before, than we would not have tripped, and most certainly not in a friggin Japanese arsenal 
She got high. I got high. He did not. He noticed "nothing", the classical sign of powerful resistance but at the time I suspected his dinner was at fault. We had one half left, but I decided to wait to the 1:30 hourpoint before offering it to him. That.. did not prove necessary. At the 1:15 HP he suddenly was gripped by the magic and was amazed yet euphoric.
Suddenly he got quiet. His excitement became alarm. His alarm became anger and we, with our "empathy" didn't know WTF hit us.
He got up and grabbed the hardwood Bo-stick off the wall. The short Bo was still over 5 ft long so even a layman could hit as hard as a baseballbat with it.
...ya... time to get on our feet 
He was back in primal form. "foam-at-the-mouth anger" is an expression to describe ferocious anger, and though he did not foam it described the degree of his excitement.
We were faced with a 6ft Great Ape with a big stick, panting heavily in rage and intense fear. Adrenalin owned him. He was at the brink of snapping, snapping into bloodlust and snapping a bone or two of ours. The empathy of the Ecstasy made clear that he was fully limbic and that contact was lost. There was danger here.
He was at the brink of losing it but the Ecstasy kept me remarkably grounded. Ecstasy does that: makes you face serious matters high, yet remarkably centered. Its a stimulant, but somehow an even stronger sedative al low doses.
I tried to reason with him but he was Ape, and I quickly discovered that empathy increased his anger and fury. If somebody growls "get out of my head" to you while at the brink of a felony armed with a fighting stick.
I had one thing over him, my experience with the Nunchacku's (stick-cords-stick fighting flails) at arm's reach, my cool and being a tad larger, thus more menacing which helps when the Inner Ape comes out. He was a tad more frightened by me and a tad more aggressive towards her.
I decided empathic talk was not going to do it. If I had taken the Nunchaku and a defensive pose he would likely snap. I subtle-ly blocked her by distractingly stepping in front of him should he snap, and asked some questions to jam his mind shut and at the same time reassure him that I couldn't read his thoughts. It was not hard to confuse him. And when confusion had thoroughly taken over I matter-of-factly asked him if i could hold that for him and he handed me the stick.  It was a hollywood scene but it's nontheless was what happened.
Well.. I passed the Bo to her behind me who dropped it behind a closet. He crumbled to dust. That monkeywrenching I pulled on his mind was the final drop. He lay down on the couch and held on to ride it out. We had some interesting revelations but needless to say we never ever involved him in an Ecstasy experience, even though we heard he had done it several times in later years. He drifted out of our lives.
In retrospect he was scared into fury. He couldn't deal with the newfound feelings and intimacy and being "understood" is very threatening if you're a sociopath. The Ecstasy made him literally *experience too much*, he could not cope with the fact that parts of him were transparant to us, while remaining distant was his main defense mechanism. Let alone the internal drama! Poor guy. I wonder how he's doing, but I'd like to find out through AFOAF.
It was very intense. I actually had the fighting scenario ready should he snap, intending swift disarming, a physical distraction and us lying on top of him until he came to his senses or the MDEA wore off Oh God.. it could've been truly fucked up.
Moral of the story: Don't trip with sociopaths in a room decorated with martial arts equipment. Stay cool when others lose theirs. And above all else: screen the people you will trip/roll with thoroughly for psychological problems and don't count on "divine goodness" of the Psychedelics. The Aum cult used LSD to prepare their terrorists for the Tokyo nerve gas attacks. An American general spent his first LSD experience over maps of Vietnam, working out bombing patterns for "creative psychedelic problem-solving".
Psychedelics are neutral, and for some not without danger.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521518 - 05/27/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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28064212 said: Psychopaths have no empathy
Like that quote which says something like- "Those who resist their desires do so only because their desires are weak enough to be resisted."
So if I empathize with psychopaths, I'm not one, right?
I fucking love that quote, too!
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: uber_aj]
#14521561 - 05/27/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So if I empathize with psychopaths, I'm not one, right?
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521703 - 05/27/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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28064212 said: In a recent study they found that psychopaths released four times the amount of dopamine when given an amphetamine than normal people. 
This explains why I met so many psychopathic people when I did meth.
Seriously scary people. One guy told me the story of how he tied up a family in their attic and tortured them, while his friends robbed them blind. 
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I am curious to see what would happen if you gave a psychopath a psychedelic drug. Would it be purely a trip or would it shake them out of their empathy-free, cold, shell? 
One of the psychopaths I met used to be a Deadhead- told me how he accidentally spilled a vial in his mouth one time. I don't think a psychedelic will really change them. After they come down, they're still psychopathic.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
#14521716 - 05/27/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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28064212 said: Psychopaths are fascinating, they don't have normal human emotions. They are anti-social. They satisfy themselves and control others using violence, sex, charm, and intimidation.
So does this make me a psychopath? Charm is my preferred method.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: Luman]
#14521761 - 05/27/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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28064212 said: Psychopaths are fascinating, they don't have normal human emotions. They are anti-social. They satisfy themselves and control others using violence, sex, charm, and intimidation.
Also, some people can sense psychopaths because they are a sort of inter-species predator.
In a recent study they found that psychopaths released four times the amount of dopamine when given an amphetamine than normal people. 
Psychopaths have no empathy, they understand that somethings are seen as wrong, but can't feel guilt or shame for doing them.
I guess the dopamine is why psychopaths do what they do, to get extreme pleasure.
i control the direction conversations go and when i want an answer i get it by asking indirect questions and the person never realizes it but it only works if we can hear eachothers voice or we are face to face. Face to face i can do many things with people and they seem to trust me almost instantly with things they havent told their closest friend yet they JUST met me. I enjoy face to face arguements and confrontations bc human nature is ignorant and the other person has no solid ground to stand on once i tear apart the reason they are mad at me. I can make people believe almost anything i want, again though only if we are face to face. The further apart thehuman interaction is the less effective my manipulation is and when i have to rely on text as a means of communicating i have made grave mistakes. Alot of people dont know who i am bc i am not really any one person, i dont have a set in stone belief system that is 'me' and many people consider me a freak and i find it funny most of the time
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It is also true that everybpdy has a psychopathic personality trait. But not all of them. Whether its selfishness or lack of empathy, we all have something that makes us think 'maybe i'm a psychopath'.
It is in fact that introspection that proves we are not.
Psychopath do not see the wrong in what they do, whether its manipulating or murdering.
Note that not all psychopath are violent. The psychopaths that resort to extreme acts of violence most likely had a traumatic event in their childhood on top of the genetic factor.
If you ever asked yourself "Am I a psychopath?". That clearly means you are not.
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28064212 said: Psychopaths are fascinating, they don't have normal human emotions. They are anti-social. They satisfy themselves and control others using violence, sex, charm, and intimidation.
Also, some people can sense psychopaths because they are a sort of inter-species predator.
In a recent study they found that psychopaths released four times the amount of dopamine when given an amphetamine than normal people. 
Psychopaths have no empathy, they understand that somethings are seen as wrong, but can't feel guilt or shame for doing them.
I guess the dopamine is why psychopaths do what they do, to get extreme pleasure.
i control the direction conversations go and when i want an answer i get it by asking indirect questions and the person never realizes it but it only works if we can hear eachothers voice or we are face to face. Face to face i can do many things with people and they seem to trust me almost instantly with things they havent told their closest friend yet they JUST met me. I enjoy face to face arguements and confrontations bc human nature is ignorant and the other person has no solid ground to stand on once i tear apart the reason they are mad at me. I can make people believe almost anything i want, again though only if we are face to face. The further apart thehuman interaction is the less effective my manipulation is and when i have to rely on text as a means of communicating i have made grave mistakes. Alot of people dont know who i am bc i am not really any one person, i dont have a set in stone belief system that is 'me' and many people consider me a freak and i find it funny most of the time
And what do you get from all this?
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: Patlal]
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: Patlal]
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If you ever asked yourself "Am I a psychopath?". That clearly means you are not.
some people dont understand who they are causing then to go on killing sprees.
a lot of sociopaths are that way bc they are not understood by others.
lol it doesnt make sense bc asking "Am I a psychopath?" can go both ways easily
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: Legend]
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i dont get anything from that sun. If theres one thing in this world that i dont understand it is myself. And the thing i fear most i is the unknown, it used to be spiders until my last LSA trip. But anyways yeah ask me the moral of a story and i cant give you an answer, i can give you many possible answers that others have seen. Ask me if something is right or looks good and i'll go with whatever wont cause an arguement unless its dire to our success
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Just started reading "The Psychopath Test" the other day. Very cool book, iv always been interested in psychopaths, one of my dads brothers is a psychopath and very secretly we all suspect that my grandma(dads mum) is also.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 2Cents]
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lol
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Types of conditions repeatedly stated to respond favorably to treatment with psychedelics include chronic alcoholism, criminal psychopathy, sexual deviations and neuroses, depressive states (exclusive of endogenous depression), phobias, anxiety neuroses, compulsive syndromes, and puberty neuroses. In addition, psychedelics have been used with autistic children, to make them more responsive and to improve behavior and attitudes; with terminal cancer patients, to ease both the physical pain and the anguish of dying; and with adult schizophrenics, to condense the psychosis temporarily and to help predict its course of development.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
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What the hell is puberty neuroses?
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I was wondering about that too 
"Doc, I'm getting hair in funny places! "
"Well, son, eat this mushroom, I think everything will start to make sense..."
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Tchan909 said: I was wondering about that too 
"Doc, I'm getting hair in funny places! "
"Well, son, eat this mushroom, I think everything will start to make sense..."
That doctor sounds like he is a child molester. Mushroom = Penis?

No way, hose'!
Not in my USA!
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Seeing as how every single person on the face of this earth is a psychopath I'm guessing or hoping more like that they are saying that the said percentage are people who constantly in a psychopathic mood.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: Konyap]
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I remember reading that a significant percentage of adolescents diagnosed as psychopaths do sometimes loose their psychopathic tendencies and become somewhat "normal" by the time they are in their mid-twenties. Hence why psychopathy is more of a spectrum then a simple case of black or white. We all have psycopathic traits, its just that some of us are way far more down the spectrum than the rest of us.
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Re: Psychopaths [Re: 28064212]
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i think psychopathic behavior is just a side effect of a violent world with addictions to it.
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i think sometimes i choose to be in a psychotic state. just for kicks i guess.
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