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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: MegaGoomba]
    #14527509 - 05/28/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:respect: KSCF!  +5 :mushroom2:'s for you buddy!  :super:


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14532610 - 05/29/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)
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KSCF, are you using a reader like Natural Reader or Text Aloud?

I put almost all the acronyms from this page: http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations
into Natural Reader and used the save function to export the list to an .xml file. I have attached it in a zip file and you are welcome to the list if you want it. Just extract the .xml file and import it into your reader.

In Natural Reader you can import it by going to Tools > Pronunciation Editor > Import

I even fixed some of the ones that screen readers don't pronounce well so they sound clearer. Sounds good with the neospeech voices Bridget, and Julie.

Hope you find it helpful. I like to listen to guides and stuff while I'm busy with other things.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: 2hot6ft2]
    #14533049 - 05/29/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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KSCF, are you using a reader like Natural Reader or Text Aloud?

I put almost all the acronyms from this page: http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations
into Natural Reader and used the save function to export the list to an .xml file. I have attached it in a zip file and you are welcome to the list if you want it. Just extract the .xml file and import it into your reader.

In Natural Reader you can import it by going to Tools > Pronunciation Editor > Import

I even fixed some of the ones that screen readers don't pronounce well so they sound clearer. Sounds good with the neospeech voices Bridget, and Julie.

Hope you find it helpful. I like to listen to guides and stuff while I'm busy with other things.



+5 :mushroom2:'s for being a good dude!  :super:


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14533563 - 05/29/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: KSCF]
    #14535175 - 05/30/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Uh huh, the needle-heating makes sense to me now. Luckily my needle shipped sterile so I got lucky!:smile:
Right now I'm using a computer (that I built) running Windows 7 and a copy of NVDA (nonvisual desktop access, do a search on Google). It's a piece of open-source software that gives auditory feedback based upon what's on the screen. I also have a PDA (Braille Sense), runs off of Windows Mobile That has both braille and synthetic speech. I don't think anyone's being insensitive by thinking a blind person could offer an interesting prospective regarding the psychedelic experience. Being blind opens up as many doors as it closes and I tend to view the affliction as an opportunity rather than a hitch. I think about what it would be like to be a sighted person, going about life just as everyone else does. I don't know if I would want vision back even if I had the chance although all my life I've wondered what colors are like. Vision is great in many ways but sometimes I ponder if I'm lucky not to see some stuff. The pictures of the nazi crematoriums are one such example.
I'm curious to know if there is a different psychedelic rating scale based upon a non visual interpretation. Dissociative substances are sort of strange. I've always wanted to try nitrous outside of dentistry doses but I've really never got down to attempting it. I've never ingested DXM but I've tried some Salvia. DXM and nitrous are obviously NMDA antagonists and the Salvinorin targets some crazy receptor in the opiate system but Salvia was pretty freaky and robotic-feeling, much different than nitrous. When I was on Salvia my sense of hearing didn't fade but my sense of self and location changed. When I took a toke of it I was standing at a bathroom counter with a shower running. As soon as I began to exhale the smoke: Bam! Over an indeterminable amount of time I felt myself drift out into a lake, sitting down on a life-preserver. I knew the experience itself was brought on by drugs but I felt trapped, paralyzed and unable to move at all, as if in sleep paralysis. After that I would alternate between that scene and a sense of lying on the floor with my head tucked behind the toilet; I wondered if I had really collapsed from the drug and was in some type of physical harm. The question of "am I dead?" was the single notion I was consumed with but as I began to really believe it, I felt my body return. Alas - I was standing in the exact same position, probably with a stupid dumb-founded look on my face. Salvia makes your body feel really yucky afterword and that's mainly why I didn't like it.
I checked the bags today and one of them is completely solid with no soft spots. The other one has a small soft spot right on the end of the substrate but that's about it. I wonder what factors give mycelium different textures. Although the spores that inoculated the bags came from the same batch, one bag is harder than the other one. I'm gonna obtain some coco coir and a Rubbermaid tub. I've read plenty of monotub techs but I'm sorta stuck on what dimensions I should shoot for. Where the holes should be drilled at differs across techs as well. Where in general do the holes go? I wish there was a monotub tech that was completely textual!
Pictures would probably entertain you guys more than I can imagine. Blind man's monotub setup! lol I'll see what I can do in that department. I've had decent results taking pictures with my phone but if my luck isn't so great my girlfriend will be around later this week. I doubt she'd mind snapping a few shots for me. Thanks a lot for all the help guys!


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: KSCF]
    #14535768 - 05/30/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My mono tub tek has a lot of text in it w/ pictures to help, but you should get the idea of it click here for it.

It really depends on the dimensions of your tubs for monos. I use 66 qt tubs. that are  16.8”L x 24”W x 13.1”H.

I put 2 holes on the long sides about 6" in & 4.5" High. That puts the hole exactly @ substrate depth.  The end holes go as High as I can possibly get them.

The bag "density" is probably due to the spores being MS & the "harder" bag is more colonized than the other one.

I don't think Nitrous is going to be much different for you, as I never really experienced anything visual from it, just distortion of sound.

Salvia is the closest thing I've done to DMT, but I like DMT way better.

I love hearing about your experiences & everything. You're an awesome guy. :highfive:


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: KSCF]
    #14535926 - 05/30/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks OoBYCoOS, and todlow, I figured all the abbreviations would be confusing since they are spelled out by readers.

KSCF I will look "nonvisual desktop access" up and see if there is a way to import the list into it so the site will make more sense. I need to change the DMX (Dextro-methorphan) audio one now that I heard it again it could be better.

As for the shotgun fruiting chambers holes there is no set layout or pattern. Just space the holes out on all sides of the tub. About 2 inches apart seems to work well. Most tubs will crack from time to time if they are cold when drilling them, so set it out in the sun for a while to make it more flexible before drilling. The plastic is rather brittle when cold.

Any cracks will be okay, after all you are making opening in the tub with holes anyway. You just don't want it to break to where the contents will leak out when you put them in. The size of the tub can be anything you want, but it should be at least 12 inches high so the mushrooms have room to grow once everything is in the tub.

I use a lot of 1 quarter inch holes all over. Then if there is too much fresh air exchange I can just put scotch tape over some of the holes. Too much fresh air exchange would make it not hold humidity and dry the cakes out too much when doing cakes.

The rest all depends on how much you are spawning and which technique you are using. I see someone has already posted a technique with a more textual description.

It sounds like Salvia gives you almost the same experience. With sight it gave me a loss of focus making everything seem like it was rolling which made it hard to stay sitting (I'm sure if I had been standing I would have ended up on the floor). I didn't enjoy the trip. Neither did my brother.

As for your bags. Some will colonize faster than others so give that bag that was a little soft a couple days and it should be where the other one is now.

I figured your sense of smell would be pretty acute. Excellent job on recognizing those odors in your other post. I believe you hit them right on the money.

You are doing excellent.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14535946 - 05/30/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hell yea you do seem like an awesome guy! I'm very intrigued and look forward to seeing some pics of your setup.

Anytime you need visual confirmation on something, take a pic and post it here. There are more than enough people that will help you as best as they can.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: 2hot6ft2]
    #14536408 - 05/30/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)
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Ok, that was interesting. I have attached the file for the abbreviations dictionary to use in NVDA (nonvisual desktop access).

If anyone is curious the files can be opened with notepad. They are simple text files. One is the .dic (dictionary file). The other is a simple batch file to copy the .dic file to where it needs to be.

I am providing three ways you can add the dictionary file.

First way is the easiest. Save the zip file. Extract it's contents. Double click on the "Copy-to-directory.bat" file. Restart NVDA. Done.

Or

Save the zip file. Extract it's contents. Change "your_user_name" in the following path with your user name on that computer, and paste it into the windows explorer address bar and hit enter.
C:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts
Then copy or move the "espeak-english.dic" file into that folder. Then restart NVDA, done.

Or copy it there using the command prompt (since I suspect you are used to using it). Then restart NVDA, done.

Either way it should be good to go.

If you want to make any changes to it you can edit the .dic file directly in notepad, or you can right click on the tray icon for NVDA and navigate to Preferences > Speech Dictionaries > Voice Dictionary

The layout of the .dic file is "Pattern" tab "Replacement" tab "case sensitive" 0 is off 1 is on tab "regular expression" 0 is off 1 is on.

I have left the comment fields blank.

Hope it helps to make the posts make more sense when listening to them.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: 2hot6ft2]
    #14536472 - 05/30/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ok, that was interesting. I have attached the file for the abbreviations dictionary to use in NVDA (nonvisual desktop access).

If anyone is curious the files can be opened with notepad. They are simple text files. One is the .dic (dictionary file). The other is a simple batch file to copy the .dic file to where it needs to be.

I am providing three ways you can add the dictionary file.

First way is the easiest. Save the zip file. Extract it's contents. Double click on the "Copy-to-directory.bat" file. Restart NVDA. Done.

Or

Save the zip file. Extract it's contents. Change "your_user_name" in the following path with your user name on that computer, and paste it into the windows explorer address bar and hit enter.
C:\Users\your_user_name\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts
Then copy or move the "espeak-english.dic" file into that folder. Then restart NVDA, done.

Or copy it there using the command prompt (since I suspect you are used to using it). Then restart NVDA, done.

Either way it should be good to go.

If you want to make any changes to it you can edit the .dic file directly in notepad, or you can right click on the tray icon for NVDA and navigate to Preferences > Speech Dictionaries > Voice Dictionary

The layout of the .dic file is "Pattern" tab "Replacement" tab "case sensitive" 0 is off 1 is on tab "regular expression" 0 is off 1 is on.

I have left the comment fields blank.

Hope it helps to make the posts make more sense when listening to them.



I dont rate ppl too often but your work deserves 5 :mushroom2:

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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14536550 - 05/30/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I dont rate ppl too often but your work deserves 5 :mushroom2:

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Thanks, I'm just trying to help even the playing field for KSCF. If you've ever tried listening to one of the guides, or the regular posts for that matter with a reader you would know how confusing all the acronyms and abbreviations can be. You start mulling over the possibilities of what they might be talking about, which makes it distracting to say the least when you're trying to absorb it all.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14539256 - 05/31/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the abbreviations! Although I don't have a lot of difficulty parsing the reading here they still come in handy. You're a great help and I appreciate all the accommodation. It's a lot more than I expected honestly. You guys are friggin' awesome!:smile:
The monotub makes more sense now. So the bottom holes go at substrate level and the top holes go as high as possible. Are there supposed to be more holes at substrate level than at the top of the tub?
Today I went to move the bags from their current location and I compulsively had to check them. They both are completely solid blocks by this point so I don't think feeling them matters much anymore. One of the bags has developed an odd smell; tangy and sweet, it doesn't seem fruity or apple-like but more of a fungusy watermelon-rind smell. I noticed this same smell with PF cakes: Is this a farinaceous odor? Hopefully it's not bacteria or something - the substrate is completely solid and there doesn't seem to be any soggy or goo-laden spots so I don't think it's contamination. Even if it were the substrate is colonized and bacteria wouldn't have much if any nutrients to eat. On one of the bags (the one without the smell mind you) there is a weird feature manifesting on a side of the substrate that I think may be a pin. Being very gentle with the feature it feels about half an inch long, about as big around as a paperclip - maybe a little thinner than that. The end of it feels slightly sharp or pointed although I didn't press down hard enough to really verify this. Is it the fabled pin? What should I do with this weird thingy if it is indeed a fruit?


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: KSCF]
    #14540183 - 05/31/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You're welcome, glad it helps.

Just make the holes in all sides of the tub evenly. That includes the top and bottom. There will naturally be more holes above the substrate simply because there will be more tub surface area above it. Say the tub is 16 inches tall and the substrate is 4 inches deep including the casing, that would leave 12 inches above the substrate. With the holes spaced evenly there would be more in the 12 inches than in the 4 inches naturally. At least that is how it is done for what is called the shotgun fruiting chamber.

I will let someone more experienced with contamination's answer the tangy and sweet smell question.

That sure sounds like a pin. It will be fine to let the bag consolidate some more along with the other bag before birthing. That will most likely be your first mushroom. Just try not to break it off. Once it is birthed it will probably take off and grow fast. There will be more.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: 2hot6ft2]
    #14540242 - 05/31/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that these bags were just rye.  I believe you said you wanted to fruit these bags in mono's using damion's coir tek.  If so then you are going to harvest that mushroom.  (If it is which I believe to be true) before you spawn the bag.  The premature fruit is probably due to the size of the micron filter on your bag.  The larger ones tend to start pinning once the bags reach 100% colonization.

The smell is suspect.  Just because a jar or bag reaches 100% that does not mean it is contam free.  Any sort of smell besides the smell of mushroom's is not a good sign.  When you spawn this bag the contam is then unleashed on your nutrient rich substrate and the shit hits the fan.


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14579591 - 06/08/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's been a while! Last week (after some thought) I decided to cut open the contaminated-smelling bag and see what was up. There was a single solid block of mycelium, but under the solid mass there appeared to be an area that did not colonize. The grains that were not part of the block were slimy and mushy, totally unlike the mycelium. Is it common to have little pieces of grain left over from the larger block? I took the block, soaked it in a bucket of water for a day and plopped it back into the bag. The bag was folded over from the top and closed with laundry clips. Each day I've been misting/fanning the bag - the mycelium seems to soak up the water and there is no standing liquid within the bag - the plastic walls of the bag are damp, however.. Checking the block today there's a ton of round nodules protruding from the substrate. I presume these are the knots.
Based on the coir recipe I think I'm going to do it with more spawn. I broke down and purchased a decent pressure cooker because I really want to try jars to see what they do. Each pound of rye substrate (from the literature anyway) seems to be equivalent to 1.75-2.5 quarts of spawn. Based on calculations, using ten quarts of spawn would roughly take about five-six pounds of grain. I procured five pounds of substrate. Last night the five bags were inoculated using more strict sterile procedures; the air was sprayed with a diluted solution of bleach and allowed to settle, surface (bathroom counter) was rubbed down with alcohol. It actually took more time to mark the syringe than it took to sterilize the room; using the plunger as a reference I notched a groove into the plastic every 2ml. I'm definitely not throwing out my custom-made blind syringes. I wish there was a better way to measure the liquid but that's what I gotta do! Each time 2ml of solution was injected into a bag the needle was flamed for ten seconds, then cooled with an alcohol swab. I placed them in the same conditions as last time. I also obtained coir - the monotub was prepared from textual descriptions. My girlfriend says it looks pretty close to pictures so I hope I did justice! I probably should have used a liquid culture for these bags though, as it's gonna take another three or so weeks before I have viable spawn to use again. I don't feel comfortable doing liquid cultures as it seems to be highly visual. "Scrape the white stuff off of the glass, gotta break the chunks up, suck up as much white stuff as possible, etc." If a marble or something similar is used inside the jar as a kind of grinder, how much visual perception does it take to suck up mycelium? Anyone wanna try doing an LC with their eyes closed and post the results? Is there any way to prepare a liquid mycelium from colonized rye for next time round? I believe I've researched that in the past and I've come up with little, but once I'm done writing this I'll go do another search.
I'm not sure how I can use this one pound bag of fully colonized substrate. It's still in the bag and the mushroom smell has gotten much, much stronger. The pin I described on the substrate was an abort because it never took off. But maybe that's just my fingers messing stuff up!
Thanks a lot for all the help! If I obtain mushrooms from the dunked bag I'll be sure to post. This is pretty much an experiment for me to start. Already I have learned so much. Once I obtain a sufficient amount of spawn the fun should really begin then. I'm thinking of spawning the other bag to a substrate of straw just to see what will happen. Any thoughts?


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: KSCF]
    #14579663 - 06/08/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It seems like your trying to just fruit a block of rye?  That isnt a very good way to obtain fruits.  An LC does sound difficult.  Maybe a grain liquid culture would work.  What this is is mycellium laden water that you use to inoculate your bags or jars.  All the teks that I can think of are mostly pics, but all you do is inject sterile water into a jar shake it up and suck the mycellium laden water into the syringe then use this.  Straw you have to be careful cause you need to make sure you bury all the exposed grain with straw or it will contam.
1 pound of dry spawn (WBS, rye) is a little less than 3 cups which is about 2 quarts of mushroom spawn


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: KSCF]
    #14579669 - 06/08/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'd just toss that uncolonized bag you dunked & have been messing with. It's probably bacteria.

Check out Agar's Grain Liquid Culture tek Here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6817701/an/0/page/0

Also, I have a no-tilt LC lid design here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=14186384&page=0&vc=1#14186384

It's pretty text heavy, so that should help ya. I get a lot of myc water laden solution in my syringes w/out having to "find" it in the jar.

You could do your little experiment w/ that bag of rye you dunked & what not...might be fun...might not work, but hell it may...

I'm glad you're still around bro. I actually thought of ya last night while I was running around the forum...I was all like "man, I hope KSCF is doing ok, & hasn't given up or anything"

Glad you're alright. :highfive:


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14579918 - 06/08/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I used sterile, rubber medical gloves everytime I handled anything (Spores, Supplies, Etc....) and sterilized EVERYTHING with Lysol.  Lysol not only kills Mold/Germs and all, but it continues to kill it constantly as long as you spray it every 12 hours where you need it to be sterile.

I had a room that I grew in and inside that room was a closet (where the shrooms actually were) and before I even started I completely sterilized the room with Lysol and all and once the shrooms were going, I would literally spray my entire body (Especially hair since human hair holds a LOT of mold spores and all), then I would spray in  the room, shut the door, wait 30 seconds, go in, then spray the whole room down with Lysol, wait 30 seconds, and then open the closet to the shrooms being extra careful not to hover over them in case spores might fall off me.

It's a LOT of extra effort compared to growing plants, but this is Mushrooms we're talking about here!  How many people can actually say that they have grown mushrooms before?  lol


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: SHR00M0L0GIST]
    #14579922 - 06/08/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

that's true...but Lysol does not disinfect the air...

You should use Oust for that unless you had the special New Lysol that has air disinfectant in it, also...


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Re: A Couple Questions From A Blind Newcomer [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14602117 - 06/12/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Update? :cool:


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