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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
    #14520230 - 05/27/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Interesting video, someone posted it a week ago or so and I watched the whole thing, definitely worth checking out.  College textbooks are a blatant total scam!  Colleges are businesses, and just like any other business they will want every dollar they can squeeze from your existance. 

In the video they do a segment where they had interviewed people who had 6 figure+ type jobs where a majority of them had stated that college education had nothing to do with with the job they had.  This is interesting, it didn't explain how they got these jobs.  I'm guessing its more who you know than what you know?



Nope.  In most cases that has absolutely nothing to do with it.  Busting your ass does.


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14520299 - 05/27/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah man I left all my partying behind me before college. I dont drink anymore, dont do any "hard" drugs, only trip every few months, cut back on weed to just once or twice a day as an enhancement to personal reading.

College is so fun in my opinion , I love being around the professors and having a gigantic library and being able to pick out the smart people in all my classes and becoming friends with them and what not.
Im going to Community college right now, gunna go for another 2 years. Then once all the classes I could of cmpleted in a CC are done, im going to transfer and hopefully get a shitton of financial aid.

I want to go into physics.. so there really is no way around college.




I'm in a remarkably similar position, not 100% sure about my major though. I'll be twenty-five before I transfer to UT, but I'll also graduate without any debt and I actually give a fuck about learning so I think it's worth it.

I think going to college right out of high school when you're too immature to care about classes and mostly ignorant about the value of $ is retarded. It seems to me like most "fuck college" kids are in this position, toiling for a degree they don't really want b/c they're too young, just doing it b/c it's the next thing to do.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: uber_aj]
    #14520443 - 05/27/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

in my opinion institutionalized schools are just as much as a distraction from "real life" as the military is. I know people who are in an endless loop of schooling because they dont know how to function without it, in the same way that some people dont know how to live outside of having a job or being in a relationship.


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: Asante] * 3
    #14520552 - 05/27/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't have the right kind of brain for college/high school, couldn't take the brainwashing.  In hindsight I'm so glad I never went.
I did it the hard way, through experience, learning on my own, etc. I educated myself. I was homeless for a while, but I worked my way up.
Now I'm fairly successful, work for a successful computer company, doing pretty good.
My biggest debt is dental bills, I'm like 2k or so in debt and freaking out.. then I hear these stories about people in 50-100k debt and feel a little better..
Don't have a problem with money per se... but the whole system of credit/creating debt is pure evil.
Sure some people will say you do it to yourself, but the system is designed in a way that it encourages such behavior.
College should be free.


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: Shroomism]
    #14520563 - 05/27/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I relate there.
Ive got a couple thousand dollars in hospital bills but then I hear about people owing more than I make in a couple years.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #14520569 - 05/27/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ive ranted about college so much on here, just some advice, dont go to college because its expected, look at other options.
      if i had skipped college and could have gotten a loan for the same amount of money, i would have shit tons of good equipment i would have my own small business/side job right now.
    if i had skipped college and went to a community college or just started trying to work in my field, and have someone take me on as an apprentice i would have learned soooo much more than i know now.

        college has taught me plenty about writing bullshit papers and navigating bureaucracy, but i know nothing that can actually get me a job.


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: kintos]
    #14520589 - 05/27/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think yall are looking at it wrong. I thought the same way years ago, skipped college to go out and make money, did pretty well too.

Eventually you realize the correlation between education and happiness. I have no debt, money invested in several directions, a paid off 8th gen Civic, immaculate credit, and so on. None of it made me any happier than I had been, even though life is certainly easier w/o debt. I failed miserably at self-education outside of school, despite my best intentions. You tend to focus on one area instead of many different avenues. Just my experience.

Go to college to get a broader picture of how the world works, not to get a degree/job.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: uber_aj]
    #14520604 - 05/27/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Except that you don't have to go to college and get in debt to get a broader picture of how the world works. College doesn't necessarily teach you how the real world works.


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: Shroomism]
    #14520692 - 05/27/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Except that you don't have to go to college and get in debt to get a broader picture of how the world works. College doesn't necessarily teach you how the real world works.



you get a broader picture of how to cheat your way through life. this woman i work under just got her masters and she cant even spell.


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #14520733 - 05/27/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I learned the most about how the real world works by becoming self employed while living on the streets.

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Except that you don't have to go to college and get in debt to get a broader picture of how the world works. College doesn't necessarily teach you how the real world works.



you get a broader picture of how to cheat your way through life. this woman i work under just got her masters and she cant even spell.



Pretty much. About the dumbest girl I know is in college and I was helping her with her work. I edited her paper finding a ridiculous amount of errors in it and I know Im not exactly immaculate.

It lead me to think "if people like her can get into college maybe I should go".

Then I remembered it was all a scam.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: uber_aj]
    #14520766 - 05/27/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

after going to college, i can say from experience it's pure bullshit.

most of my professors are :awewtf:ingly stupid... they just give you the formulae, and you fill in the blanks. life isn't like that.

we each go forward, testing our own ideas and theories, learning from mistakes and keeping favorable results. college, on the other hand, tried to convince me that we all follow rules, we all elaborate on assumptions made before us, we don't need to look critically at whats goin on around us, it's all being "figured out."


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14520791 - 05/27/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's training people to be sheep who make markedly good incomes by doing what they are told and doing it well.

Id rather be slightly poorer and be my own man not working for the big scary corporation.


Though sometimes I think itd be cool to do the suit and office thing.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14520797 - 05/27/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Idk.. I go to community college (ending fresh year) and Im only 18 so I admit i have a pretty narrow perspective on how things turn out to be.. But Ive learned more from my Cultural antropology class, Euro history class and Macroecon class than ive learned in a long time. I read more personal books than school than school books, but being in a class and being able to communicate with a teacher really is awesome IMO.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14520814 - 05/27/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and I kind of disagree Muscaria.. I mean if someone is truly going through college because they feel they have to and only pick some random field because they think it makes a decent income than yeah, that is going to suck for them later on .

but what about a physics major who just really really likes physics? Or Anthropologist? Sometimes the only real way to get good access to the smartest people in the field or to the capital needed to perform experiments is to go through the motions, and then go to graduate school.


given once again im probably the youngest one here so I dont know how all this truly plays out :hmm:

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14520847 - 05/27/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You get out of it what you put in.

And no, Shroomism, you don't have to have debt. If you go to a four year university and work a shit job, you probably do, but that's your choice. I subject myself to cold-call sales to pay my way, incidentally it also will make me much more successful at starting a business if I ever decide to.

As for stupid profs, sure there are a lot of them, but there are also websites like pickaprof and ratemyprofessor that can help you find the good ones. They usually have a lower rating b/c lazy shithead kids don't like ones who want you to think critically.

I do understand the notion that they brainwash you though. They're always trying to force skeptical, critical thinking on me, but life is so much cooler believing in crystals and drug entities. Damn them :grrr:

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14520850 - 05/27/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I really dig anthropology so I spend a good portion of my free time reading about various cultures, civilizations, traditions, etc.

I dont need to pay out the ass to learn what I can learn freely on the internet.
I only need the title to back me up if I plan on writing a research paper and actually want it acknowledged by the scientific community.

The knowledge? the knowledge is free.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14520877 - 05/27/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well actually the class was only 120-130 dollars plus having to buy a cheap paper back book.

totally worth the money to have an awesome professor fucking preach godliness and blow my mind 1 and half hours a day /twice a week. Seriously man some of the studies she had us read I would of never been able to find.

California has the cheapest CC's in america, so I definitely believe Im getting at least what I pay for

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: uber_aj]
    #14520902 - 05/27/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol crystals.

i'm the most cynical skeptic i know. college is the starting blocks of the rat-race. if i had a legitamate interest in being a scientist, i would be much more thrilled about the experience i'm getting at a university.
i'm more interested in my hobbies and drugs, as is, both are far more fulfilling on a short- and long-term basis


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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14520933 - 05/27/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol: Fair enough then, clearly college isn't for you. I love science and I'm that fucker who never studies and has a 4.0 as well as no debt, so my view is much different.

I suppose for the dummies getting marketing, psychology and communications degrees, arguing against evolution to their Bio 101 profs, you're totally right. Of course, they might also make lifelong friends, meet a spouse or have some insightful idea that changes their life, but none of that is guaranteed to happen or end up well.

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Re: The College Conspiracy - it's the biggest fraud in US history [Re: uber_aj]
    #14521058 - 05/27/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:lol: Fair enough then, clearly college isn't for you. I love science and I'm that fucker who never studies and has a 4.0 as well as no debt, so my view is much different.

I suppose for the dummies getting marketing, psychology and communications degrees, arguing against evolution to their Bio 101 profs, you're totally right. Of course, they might also make lifelong friends, meet a spouse or have some insightful idea that changes their life, but none of that is guaranteed to happen or end up well.




exactly my point. people are paying ridiculous amounts because they think they're getting some kind of guarantee. college definitely is what you make of it, i just can't make anything useful lol. "these hands weren't meant to create! they can only destroy."


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