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Achile
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The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism
#14520672 - 05/27/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello everybody,
My English is so bad because I m a french guy.
I need your advise and I hope you to answer me, thanks 
When I was 19, I eats Amanita Muscaria that I picked up in my country and I ate it. The first time was ok but the second time is the most intense and terrible experience ever ! I was blocked in terrible loop about time, eternity , revelation, world, death's secret and metaphysic's revelation. The experience timed 10 hours of terrible infernal revelation with total disapear of ego and all life possibilities mixed in time, I was very choked and words can explain that. One moment I was so afraid that I couldn't feel the the intensity of fear. It was as if I was violated and more !!! I have never had psychedelic experience before and I had never smoked weed befor, amanita muscaria was my first experience exept alccol...
After that, I tought that I was crazy, I was feeling like a post traumatic person, every little changements made me little anxious and I had period of little panic. 6 months after, I sometimes had panic periods and I thought that I was maybe parano or skyzophren,or just shoked... I didn't know what to do and my family didn't know anything about my experience and they thought that I was just in a litle depressive period of adolescens.... Few month after, I had flash back, one day, I tried "laughing gas" with friends and the simple effect of other consciense made me remembered my terrrible bad trip with amanita...I thought I was bloked. Now, 2 years after I feel better and totaly normal Does my emotional brain is still shoked ?
It changed my life, my conception of world and psychology, but I very passioned in mushroom.
My question is this :
Can I try mushroom again ? I want to try a classic specy like psylocybe cubensis. Is it dangerous ? Can I have a bad trip like Amanita and driving crazy ? Was this bad trip a prevent to skizophrenia ? Can I have mental disorder if I try it again ? I plan to try very low dose of mushroom in a nature context (I have a spiritual optic) I plan to increase dosage each time in a period of several session with following a diet to feel it in harmony with my self and to habituate my body and my saoul with the Mushroom's vibes. Maybe taking o.1 grams the first days, 0.5 the second 1 the third day ,2grams few days after and 5 grams few days after. Is there a better strain ? (I growed Psy. cudensis mazatapec, golden teacher & ps. cubensis Palenque)
Backgraound & profil: I'm a student of 22 years old, I have never had trouble exept after my terrible bad trip with amanita. I have a skyzophrenic cousin who smoked lot of weed, I m stressed but courageaous : I can do extrem sport without fear but a school exam make me stress.
Soo thank you for all advises and information. Not for influence but just to have different point of vue and opinion of each.
Wish you
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14521763 - 05/27/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Achile said: I plan to try very low dose of mushroom in a nature context

Eat healthy all week before hand, exercise, and meditate.
Might be overkill, but bad trips are never fun.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: DesertedAnt]
#14522185 - 05/27/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I've heard terrible things about amanitas...never tried them myself though. I think you'll have a much easier time with the good old psilocybe cubensis.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: to here knows when]
#14522197 - 05/27/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try not to let your amanitas experiment influence your thoughts on psilocybin. They are totally different.
Yes bad trips are very possible on psilocybin mushrooms. But you have no idea what to expect, it would probably be nothing like your previous experience. Go into it with an open mind and positive expectations, take a low dose to start, good luck!
A bad trip, on your first time, with a low dose, is nearly impossible. Notice I said 'nearly'.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: drr]
#14522242 - 05/27/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bonjur mon frere!
It would matter a lot on how much and in what way you ate those. What was the environment? Were you inside of your house or in the city? Were you out in nature or in a small space and sealed up?
Mushrooms are very sacred, they have much to teach. If you don't take them in the right ways, many things can go wrong. I highly recommend music. Put together a music playlist of songs that mean something to you, songs that make you feel good and whatever song has that beauty in it. Music can help very well to guide the experience, however, it is you, in the end that needs to go with it.
Don't fight the mushrooms. Let them take you where they will. Your last experience seems like a roller coaster ride, only, instead of getting off, you stayed on because you got distracted. Mushrooms will sometimes take you through a very intense thought pattern but if you STICK WITH THEM they will guide you out of it. It's like the light at the end of the tunnel. You kept running backwards away from the light and they kept trying to get you to go the other way; thus a loophole.
Your plan sounds great, brother. I would also recommend not eating anything a few hours (5-7) before but if you want to avoid any nausea or sickness, drink some peppermint tea mixed with a little bit of ginger and if you have any, lavender with the mushrooms to help your body.
Don't assume anything, don't expect anything. Holding an intention will also help you drastically.
tl;dr: A coeur vaillant rien d’impossible, non?
Je t'aime mon frere. Benedictions.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: OneU]
#14524704 - 05/28/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot guys !
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OneU said: Bonjur mon frere!
It would matter a lot on how much and in what way you ate those. What was the environment? Were you inside of your house or in the city? Were you out in nature or in a small space and sealed up? Mushrooms are very sacred, they have much to teach. If you don't take them in the right ways, many things can go wrong.
for my terrible amanita experience, I was just with a friend in the wild nature at first, and then in my house. I have an spiritual view of this plants and lot of respect, but I think my error was to want a lot, at a moment, I had a kind of question "what do you want" and answered "I want to know what after death" And then. terrible bad trip, I saw different terrible scenaiors of death, to much intense for human, and I wouldn let the trip go,I fought the trip to go back to reality...but I saw that if you dance with the evil you have to wait the end of the song... I was orgeuillous and I would take the knowledge of death secret and of these world but Amanita realy punished me. Suffered me not for revenge but to make me understand. At end of the trip, I knew that the real part of me wasn't my passion neither my habit or my body and face, the real "me" was a kind of brightnucleus who was the real essence & origin of my saoul and my personality. The mushroom told me that "sincerity Love" is the only answer, the Key of evolution and success of the "real" wolrd... After these words I was impressionnable but with all terrible darkness that I lived the hours before I was realy shoked....
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OneU said:if you STICK WITH THEM they will guide you out of it.
Yes that what I want now, I think in this experience I took lot of years in few hours, to explain it by metapher: I don't want to play with mushroom, but just hear them with respect and with good set nd setting. I have fear but I want to undertand and feel a new experience after this traumatism, with psylocibe cubensis species... I think Amanita is ike a pure knowledge of metaphysic extract, to much intense for humain conscience.
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OneU said: tl;dr: A coeur vaillant rien d’impossible, non?
Je t'aime mon frere. Benedictions.
Hahaha merci beaucoup ^^ but I have a little fear.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14525093 - 05/28/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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plus tripping three days in a row, you'll kind of be wasting mushrooms because your tolerence will go up fast. Space them out a bit wider and you'll get more out of it
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14525594 - 05/28/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Achile said:I saw that if you dance with the evil you have to wait the end of the song...
Great analogy.
During journeying with these sacred medicines, you may encounter deep parts of yourself. Asking what happens after death was not a bad question. It was a difficult question. Mushrooms have a beautiful way of showing us truth, which is through experience or self-realization of the inner truth. To know what it's like to die, you must shed your ego, your personality, your fears and your hopes, in order to be free from judgements or filters. The mushroom did most of that with you, which is a blessing.
You experienced the unknown, what the Native Americans call "The Great Mystery". It is a true mystery what happens because it's beyond human comprehension. But just know, you went through the big challenge, and made it out the other side. Whether you consciously realize this or not, you made it through the journey of the Amanita.
Many blessings, brother. All will be well and your intentions seem beautiful, to say the least. Take what it is you need from the mushrooms and give the respect and honor they ask. Infinitely good advice on this website. Dig around.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: OneU]
#14525852 - 05/28/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interessant, thanks,... this entity was the Origin, it was the "all" and the "nothingness" together, and in the trip, the infinity was a mix bettween time and matter,it showed me that the Time fixes the matter to have just one world possible. But the Origin entity is a mix beetween time matter, be and being... the Secret of being, the Ultimate Paradox that drived me crazy... I saw all possible world, It times an eternity, I was just a line beetwen the both extrem, nothing more than a line, no conscience, no comprehension, I was like a line, the infinite eternity, terrible ! very strange trip ^^ I will never try Amanita again even if respect her. I hope Psylocybe cubensis are more "human" and less "hard metaphysic".
Thanks all for your good words,I wish you all
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: OneU]
#14525856 - 05/28/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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cubensis is worlds apart from amanita, completely different active chemicals.
dont let a bad acid trip ruin your MDMA experiences ;3
but the surefire way to avoid bad trips is to eat HEALTHY for a week to a month prior, fast on water and fresh citrus fruit for a day before.
and meditate and exercise lots. you will experience it all
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14526191 - 05/28/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I want to try a classic specy like psylocybe cubensis
Great idea, psilocybe mushrooms are one of the traditional psychedelics. Amanitas on the other hand are something else. Your psilocybe experience will be very, very different from the aminita experience. They're not comparable in any way.
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Is it dangerous ?
No psychedelics like psilocin are complete safe for the brain, unlike amanitas (which are potentially neurotoxic).
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Can I have a bad trip like Amanita and driving crazy ?
Yes, if you take a high dose without being mentally prepared you could very well have a bad trip. Set, setting and dose can prevent a bad trip.
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Can I have mental disorder if I try it again ?
Psilocin can't cause a neurological disorder like schizophrenia. What happened to you before is you developed some kind of PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). This wasn't caused by the drug itself but caused by the bad experience. ANYTHING that is significantly traumatic can cause PTSD. If you take precautions to avoid a bad trip you are completely safe.
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I plan to increase dosage each time in a period of several session with following a diet to feel it in harmony with my self and to habituate my body and my saoul with the Mushroom's vibes.
Good you're on the right path.
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Maybe taking o.1 grams the first days, 0.5 the second 1 the third day ,2grams few days after and 5 grams few days after.
Bad idea. Tolerance to mushrooms builds rapidly. You should space out each session by at least a week. My recommendation is:
Week1 2 Grams Week 2 3.5 Grams Week 3 5 Grams Week 4 7 Grams
It's doubtful that you'll reach the 7 gram mark and want to keep going. Most people find their sweet spot at around 3-4 grams and then they just stick to that.
Good luck.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Dawks]
#14526314 - 05/28/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanky a lot,
I going to space out the session but I will beagin with less than 2 grams. I have all the time, it 's not for fun, it's just by sincere feeling. Yes, post traumatic is a panic with the feeling to live the bad experience again, it was exactly that I ha one month after, I had "depersonalisation" feeling too, and I thought I was crazy for life.
Have you a strain to advise me ?
I had growed Psylocibe cubensis Palenque but by intuition I maybe want to meet psylocibe cubensis Huautla.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14526319 - 05/28/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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theyr all the same. except for penis envy.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14526328 - 05/28/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Start as low as you want.
People will tell you that cubensis are all the same, it doesn't really matter which one you pick. An exception is penis envy, people seem to think they are unusually potent. I don't have personal experience with them though.
If you want to know what worked well for me...Cambodians
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: drr]
#14529954 - 05/29/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, thanks, I heard that cubensis Thai and cubensis Palenque was stronger than golden teacher or cubensis Huautla...
If I have a cousins who is schozophren, have I more chance to decellop mental disorder ? (after my amanita's experience I thought I was crazy during few months during my post-traumatic period, I had a strange sensation like didn't recognized me in a mirror or fear and sensation to live again the bad trip's fear)
If I want to meet cubensis,it's for "spiritual"and "therapeutic" approach. I think it could be like an auto-psychotherapy because low doses of psylocibin has god result for post traumatic event, and this psychological comprehension and the "mushrooms words" are good advises. I m ok now but I think interessant to understand what happened to me and taking low dose of mushroom to dissipate the fear of this remembering, like a phobia treatement even if it 's not a phobia but just a strong remembering.
Yes,in fact, I m not a recreational user, but I m not a doctor
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14535343 - 05/30/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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...?
I m going to try cubensis Huautla
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14536411 - 05/30/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Schizophrenia is a label engraved into the societal minds in order to cause fear to those who have gifts beyond the physical perception. Most schizophrenics are those who would have been healers, shamanic workers, earth keepers, energy workers, etc.. Schizophrenia is a label, and like any other label, it seeks to limit, identify and bind an essence.
Try a strain not because of it's potency, but because of the attraction you have to it. It's mostly genetics, and with multispore syringes, you can get whatever potency depending on your luck.
Blessings. Don't dwell in fear and don't dwell in doubt. They are realms of chaos and ignorance.
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: OneU]
#14538927 - 05/31/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks OneU for these right words.
Yes, but the label is one of the function of society and in despite of this bad conception, I can't swimmin against it, I must stay what I am I understant the culture I live. I think the escape of society is not a good choice (I thought it few years ago) but now I think the solution is not to escape like a buddhist monk, an anarchist or like an hermit...the solution is to stay and understand the society, because if all spiritual people escape from the society, at end, what the society is composed of ? The metapher: it's difficult to understand that the better way to change society is not by breaking windows but by going to vote. ---
For the attraction: Huautla attracts me, not because it 's the Maria Sabina'village (moreover she didn't used this specie, but she used psy.mexicana). An another one attracts me, it grow on cow's dung in fields of my country, I have always been fascinated by this species and identified as paneolus sphinctrinus, but somebody told me this species isn't active, I have never tried it.
Any one have information about this specie?
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: Achile]
#14540202 - 05/31/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is a link to the strain thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10560039/fpart/1
It's in the archives so you can't post in that one but it has all the info you may need.
If you still have questions, be sure to post in this thread, which is a newer and less cluttered one:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14525669/gonew/1#UNREAD
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Re: The TERRIBLE QUESTION ! Need your advise afterTraumatism [Re: OneU]
#14545930 - 06/01/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks ,
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