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First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys!
#14518155 - 05/26/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive got a grow going with a maintained 81 temp TiT incubation system. 3 jars GC and 3 jars B+ those are 1 pint jars. i have a half pint and another pint just noc'd up with more GC. Ill be making posts soon and putting up pics of my fruiting chamber, and my incubation chamber. Its really a nifty layout! Glad to be in the community will show pics soon!
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Careful with incubators... 81F is not necessary, and the risk because of thermophilic contaminates is potentially not worth it. Also, you have to change out the water weekly or it gets all gross.
anywhere from 65-75F is great!
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518243 - 05/26/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay dokay! Ill try to go ahead and change the water again soon. I also have a water pump going , and i have this stuff called Amquel Plus, anyone fond of this??? it supposedly helps with having to change water too frequently and among other factors. Its very sterile and sealed in there ,ive lined it double with sterilized plastic, yet with proper ventilation. Ill be running an old school cool mist(the same exact model from the Marthas Tek post on the site, THE SAME model) and a Holmes Hm2060 cool mist soon, when my perlite chamber is built(perlite chamber lol).I also have a nifty hepa air case built and sealed well with three air pumps (one dual output, two single output) and i have air stones galore from my days of running a salt water tank.
(also, im getting 12 more 1/2 pint jars to use the rest of my GC)
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to be sure we're on the same page, I'm voting you get rid of the incubator altogether unless your room temperature is below 60F.
As far as what you are describing, you may as well be speaking Vietnamese for all that I'm understanding... I'm a keep it simple kinda guy. SGFCs(perlite chamber?) properly built shouldn't need all the extra jazz, but again, I don't even know what you are talking about. I'm guessing humidifiers and air pumps? 
anyway, good luck with it!
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518485 - 05/26/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i was aiming to maintain a very constant 80 to 81 degrees because of what i have read over a course of time now.i wanted it to be VERY constant . Also , was gonna ask, what should my humidity be at during incubation ? I want to exact it.
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suit yourself 
humidity doesn't matter. Just be sure your lids have 2-4 small holes for gas exchange (GE).
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Gotcha. Since my room gets hot should i set my incubator temp to 75F? Ive become one with that thing and its easy for me to keep a constant upper tub temp now. Mine have microtape over the lids, so i might be okay.Thank you so much for the help!
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Especially since your room gets hot you should set your incubator to Peace Out-Fahrenheit.
I can't recommend a temperature for it when I think you should ditch it...
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Just yanked it out . Ima follow your advice. Im about to post some pics of some growths, 1 from a B+ jar and one from a GC jar.
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Think these are contams? or Myc growth?
 B+
 B+#2
 GC
 GC#2
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LatelySeeingDemons said: Just yanked it out . Ima follow your advice. Im about to post some pics of some growths, 1 from a B+ jar and one from a GC jar.

I had one set up when I first started also. Everyone told me to get rid of it except one person, but she said she only needed it during the coldest winter months.
If you use the "flower setting" (macro mode) on your camera (if you have it), you should get some clearer pictures. Also, the flash makes for difficult viewing.
Looking good from what I can see though 
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i just pulled my water pump from my lower temp and it looked like two medium sized creepy crawlies were stuck in the fan of the pump ............very odd seeing as the water was pure and it was changed and treated with AmQuel Plus. Ever heard of that stuff? if so can you give me the skinny on it???
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never even heard of it... 
yeah... bugs in there already is not a good sign.
move your jars outta there... a head-high shelf with whatever temperatures you've got in that room is fine. 70-75F is perfect
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word, im already on top of sterilizing it. And i got better pics, one sec, brb
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Cob? or Myc??? i cross my fingers for myc...
Also, is it bad to spray disinfectant near your incubation chamber?? or around it? I have some that leaves a little of a lingering smell.
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If it is cobweb, it will be covering the entire jar within 1-2 days.
I'm thinking they are fine... put them on the shelf and leave them be for at least a week before you peak again! This is good patience training , and while you wait you can read up on all the stuff you will be doing after they are ready.
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518792 - 05/27/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive gotta go get my 1/2 pint jars tomorrow and make my sub. Im using the verm 2 BRF 1 and Water 1 formula. Ive got my own personal martha setup up my sleeve . Its a combination of things, but from what i know, its hard to over-do humidity...or am i mislead??!?!?!
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BTW, these jars that are showing growth were noc'd on May 11th.....theyve been there for a LONG time with little checking (just for gas exchange)and constant temperature. So hopefully they are just late bloomers. Ive read so many contradictions throughout this forum and shroomtalk and others. And was told to always incubate at 86 or below. But i can tel you know your shit.
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I'm not familiar with martha's, but for humidity, the ideal is hypothetically 99% with plenty of FAE to draw moisture out of the substrate/cakes. Check out the cubensis pinning strategy/troubleshooting post in my signature... you might find it useful.
If I'm not mistaken, those pictures above are BRF/Verm right? If so, after colonization is done, wait 3-7 additional days (this is considered the consolidation period), then you'll want to rinse them, dunk for 24 hours, then roll in dry verm and put them in the fruiting area.
If you want to spawn them to a substrate and fruit from trays, mini monotub, or a standard monotub, you'll want to mix them into a prepared, pasteurized substrate of poo/coir/verm/etc, not add them to more BRF/Verm.
86F is way too risky... you might be able to get away with it, sure, but contaminates thrive at higher temperatures and are somewhat thwarted at lower ones. It just makes sense to have them take longer because of the colder storing temperatures where the only cost is time and patience.
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518845 - 05/27/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah but ive read where ppl have said they show signs of growth in 2 to 4 days. and that if u dont show signs within two weeks blah blah blah blah...... I dunno, but i rlly do appreciate you helping, and ive got a little FAE system in mind using a small dual window unite, my hepa air filter box(pumping air through my tub with the cakes to keep constant air flow, and it will be enclosed in a plastic wrapped closet and sealed. Thanks for the help man, ill be posting more and look forward to rooting into this community!
And yeah, these are Verm BRF cakes. I just didnt think it would take this long to show growth. but im happy to see them. Ill be a patient grasshoppa!
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No problem with the help dude; I'm glad to assist! 
You might be able to get visible growth in 2-4 days with an LC, but spore inoculations can take up to 2-3 weeks just to germinate, which is a microscopic process, so you may not even see anything for a month. This is assuredly rare, but nonetheless possible.
This is why so many people prefer LC, G2G, or GLC... they are much faster methods of starting a grow.
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makes sense. Im seeing growth a little after two weeks. Im turning my closet into a pretty cool setup soon. im working on the ideas to it as we speak.
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Consider a monotub or mini monotub IMO. You can put them almost anywhere and adjust the polyfill depending on your circumstances to get proper FAE and they provide their own moisture & humidity. They are truly low maintenance compared to greenhouses, marthas, and SGFC's from what I hear about those latter three.
All you'd need to read up on is proper substrate moisture and pasteurizing, building the tubs to specification, and fruiting strategies... all of which can be found in my signature links
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518949 - 05/27/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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cant afford to get anything that it would take to turn them into casings . I need a good spawn bag or something i still have spores left to use lol. But alas, no money because i dont have work for two weeks......Damned flooding. Mississippi river reached 50 feet here when it crested and engulfed the edge of downtown
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you don't need to case cubes. and you don't need spawn bags.
Are you doing a PF tek? BRF/Verm cakes in a SGFC?
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518973 - 05/27/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, But a rather large one in a ventilated closet with two different cool mists. Its a BIG closet, well, one side of it is. The other side needs two more shelves ripped out and its good.
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14518975 - 05/27/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ryath said: in a SGFC?
itll be a larger Shotgun fruiting chamber.
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Ryath said: in a SGFC?
itll be a larger Shotgun fruiting chamber.
dont come crying to us because your fruiting chamber that you completely made up and didnt follow a tek isnt working :S
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LatelySeeingDemons said:
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Ryath said: in a SGFC?
itll be a larger Shotgun fruiting chamber.
If you're just doing cakes, and it's your first grow, you should keep it simple.. The Shotgun fruiting chamber works very well, and you don't really need to worry about your exterior environment.. ie; your closet/humidifier setup...
for your next grow, you should definately try a mono or mini-mono.... i get waaaaaay better yields than any other method I've tried... Martha, cakes, etc...
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Matty_Rulez]
#14519762 - 05/27/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those pictures look like good mycelium growth to me. When doing closeups, use the macro mode (like the icon below) if your camera has one. That should help it to focus up-close.
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: k00laid]
#14519886 - 05/27/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
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LatelySeeingDemons said:
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Ryath said: in a SGFC?
itll be a larger Shotgun fruiting chamber.
dont come crying to us because your fruiting chamber that you completely made up and didnt follow a tek isnt working :S
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LatelySeeingDemons said:
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Ryath said: in a SGFC?
itll be a larger Shotgun fruiting chamber.
dont come crying to us because your fruiting chamber that you completely made up and didnt follow a tek isnt working :S
Ive got everything under control, trust me
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Sillicybin]
#14519902 - 05/27/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sillicybin said: Those pictures look like good mycelium growth to me. When doing closeups, use the macro mode (like the icon below) if your camera has one. That should help it to focus up-close.

Thats EXACTLY what i did . its just a slightly older cam and doesnt do too well.
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Try to make all your pics like that 1st one; the rest are too blurry.
Lookin' good though!
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i kno . I tried my damnest....But i always shake a lot lol.
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LatelySeeingDemons said: i kno . I tried my damnest....But i always shake a lot lol.
..try to put the camera on something to steady it if you don;t have a tripod.. and if you have macro mode on your camera, use that.. (it should be a flower icon)... helps focus better...
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Matty_Rulez]
#14533141 - 05/29/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Grim420 said:
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LatelySeeingDemons said: i kno . I tried my damnest....But i always shake a lot lol.
and if you have macro mode on your camera, use that.. (it should be a flower icon)... helps focus better...
I used macro mode on these. I prolly shoulda put the camera on the dresser or something and also the jars and used my timer on the camera :/
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quick question, would it be a horrible idea to go ahead and do a trial run with my fruiting chamber, or get it running? Anybody have an estimate for me on how long these growths could take? i kno i need to wait a week after the jar seems fully colonized, so i dont want to run it and anything be bad. Perhaps i should just be patient. but then again , i could always clean it out i reckon.
UPDATE: While ive been waiting, ive been tending to my tomatoes and my burpless cucumber vines. Along with some onions,bell peppers (im super excited about these) two different sweet peppers (including banana), Chile Peppers (in their own area lol, some of my family might not enjoy my bell peppers being rather spicy).Ibe also got three successful tomato clones, not to mention the salvia, marigolds, etc..etc.. Noc'ing up 7 new jars in a few hours once theyve cooled down. Excited about more growth, but, i ran shy of brown rice flour i made from some organic brown rice, and used instant brown as a substitute. if it fucks me over doing this, then it does . Wasnt much i could do about it, seeing as i cant burn the gas today and didnt want that jar to sit out on this pc.I only ran shy on one jar, so hopefully it can be pulled off. Wanna know what u guys think though.
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This new growth im hoping is myc like the rest:


Lemme know what yall think. IS everything going at a casual day-to-day speed? Humidity seemed higher once i put in the seven new GC jars. Input is greatly appreciated
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GC
GC
B+
B+
B+
All showing growth now. Seems to be going a little slowly. anybody got an estimate of time?
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Can some1 let me know that things r going right?? Throw an amateur a hand here! lol but please do tell me if my growths are coming along right.
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They look fine to me. 
No estimate on time... they are ready when they are ready. For cakes, wait till 100% colonization then at least a week (and up to a month) before you dunk, roll, birth. Spend the time reading or starting more projects. 
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14624993 - 06/16/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Found my first contam today. 1 jar gone , BUT......it WAS the only jar not showing growth, all others are still goin. Since this is my first i dunno how long it should take after mycelium has become visible. Or how long it SHOULDNT take for that matter :/. My original innoc date for the first 6 pint jars was may 11th.....crossing my finger and hoping for no more contams.
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i am 1 week away from dunking,rolling, and fruiting 7 of my jars. My inc at room temp has been constant at 76-79 considering it is in my closet, lowered and sealed off. my question is, can i fruit at these temps or do i need to throw a pinch of complexity into that portion of this operation? Thanks guys, i just want to do this time around as dead-on as possible, so that i can improve and hone great skills as a mycologist over time.
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Those temps are fine, but a little on the high side considering the cakes will heat up a bit as the mycelium flushes.
However, if by "inc" you mean incubator, get rid of it. They are unnecessary if your room temp is anywhere above 60-65F. Some people actually prefer fruiting temps this low as it tends to lead to slower, denser growth.
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I took your advice in the beginning and got rid of the TiT deal. I have them in a storage tub in a closet, thats what i meant by inc. They are all doing great , with the exception of 1 contamed jar, and 1 jar not showing any growth. But since it will be 79 to 82 degrees in here at all times, would that banjax my fruiting period in anyway? I just need to know as i am a little shy of a week from dunking rolling and throwing the babies into the fc. I could find a way to cool it down adequately if needed????
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If it's not too much trouble or energy to cool it down, I would recommend it. Not only will you discourage contamination growth for your spawn, but if you are also fruiting in the same area, your stems will fill out noticeably more dense in the 65-70F range.
If I'm interpreting your use of the word banjax correctly, no, heat is not a pinning trigger.
How long have you let the 100% jars consolidate so far?
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#14741582 - 07/09/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I'm interpreting your use of the word banjax correctly, no, heat is not a pinning trigger.

By banjax i mean screw it up. Old Irish slang. Such as "Wow, i cant get to work because my car is fuckin banjaxed"
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One cake is going in the new FC tomorrow morning. And 9 more are being birthed,dunked,rolled next weekend.
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are those full pint cakes? thats badass man
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Captain Chaos]
#14780999 - 07/17/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I only have 6 full pint cakes. I have 7 cakes total half pint. If u look theres a half pint gc in the back. Im running the hepa air case with one dual output air pump, and 3 single output pumps. Its rlly helpes me with humidity.
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First Flush:
GC
B+ GC (Half Pint)
Had to scrap that B+ cake ,a contam took hold. Second Flush soon.Plus more cakes birthed and dunked. Decent Potency
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ate more from the other jars. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more potent. unbelievably potent. they seemed WAAAAAAY more potent dry. and every1 rlly loves them. Thanks so much guys. U made this all possible.
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LatelySeeingDemons
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: Primal Call]
#15279220 - 10/25/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heres the last pics. srry for the long wait. and heres a link to my other project going on. might need you guys' help with it as well :P
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/478551-ice-strain-grow.html
The shroomies went well. VERY VERY badass trip when they were dry, not so much when i ate the wet batches. prolly needed more but still tripped well. The dried ones made me trip fucking nuts tho.




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 Had a LOT more than this handful, didnt take pics of final flushes , either that or they are lost in the confines on this damned comp lol:
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Just remember simpler is always better especially if you are doing the basic of tek method. More over the incubator is not a needed device and the culture shall thrive in the condition plus is runs you less of risk of getting contamination spread because contaminants seemed to take hold in a warm moist enviorment faster. My bad if there is many typing errors this is just quickly from my tablet
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Re: First Grow, Thanks to all of you guys! [Re: kubenzi]
#15279488 - 10/26/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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i hear ya. my gf uses her tablet religously and ive hopped on it so i completely understand. U guys should check out my ice strain grow! http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/478551-ice-strain-grow.html
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