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Offlineshroomben2003
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What happened to my friend?
    #14512837 - 05/25/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello all, sorry about the long winded and disjointed story, just wanted to get this out there to see if anyone else has gone through a similar situation.

Okay so rewind to about a month ago. My friend and I decided to dose what I eyeballed at about 3.5 grams of homegrown Malabars each. Upon taking them we had a quick come up which was pretty intense even for me (I've probably tripped mushies over 20 times) and I was getting worried but my friend seemed to be doing just fine even though he had only done shrooms once before way back in high school.

So after about 2 hours into the trip my anxiety subsides and I start laughing and having a great time with my friend. Then all of the sudden for no apparent reason my friend starts tweaking out. He had a hard time talking and then got really scared. Luckily our other friend was there to trip sit us, along with his girlfriend. My friend who took the shrooms wound up getting so scared and tweaked out that he asked my other friend (we'll call him Bob) to lay next to him on the air mattress as he tried to sleep it off.

Once the trip wore off, my friend (we'll call him John), came into my bedroom and explained to me what he was going through. He told me he got caught in a bunch of different though loops and freaked himself out. He said he lost all meaning of time and was hallucinating that he was melting into the chair and everything he saw and touched was melting. He told me when he was laying in the chair when he called Bob over to lay next to him, that he closed his eyes and saw a rainbow of colors swirling around him as he fell into emptiness. I couldn't believe this, my trip wasn't nearly this intense.

Fast forward to last weekend. We decided to give it another go (this is about 1 month after the bad trip) and I recommend he take half an 8th so it would be manageable. I even weighed it out. Immediately after we take it I can tell that he has some anxiety (I should have known better not to have us trip in the same setting as before which is my apartment).

At first we took a walk to try and quell his anxiety and change the setting. He seemed to be doing okay, but by the time 30 minutes had passed he told me he shouldn't have done this again and that the last time had probably ruined mushrooms for him. I agreed but reassured him that this was a low dose so there was nothing to worry about.

To my surprise, he tripped even harder than he did the first time. Mind you, this is the same batch and half the dose. I'm not sure how this is possible. He told me that it was more intense than the previous time and near the end of his bad trip was so fucked up, he asked me if it was 2011. He also got really depressed and told me he wasn't sure if he was still gonna go out drinking with our friends that night (that kind of scared me because he loves going out on the weekends).

Once the mushrooms fully wore off, he came back to reality and asked me if he did anything stupid. From the sounds of it, it seems like he had a psychotic break from reality brought on from last trip. I don't understand how someone can experience such a bad and intense trip from half an eighth. He told me he was melting into the chair he sat in and during the trip kept saying "I'm having a real hard time here, can you just reassure me please talk me down, etc...) There was a point in the trip where he could barely even speak for about 2 hours.

Has anyone ever experienced anything similar to this?


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: shroomben2003]
    #14512854 - 05/25/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

he cant let go.

thats all


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: k00laid]
    #14512891 - 05/25/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

haha that's what I was kind of thinking. I told him the more he fights it and tries to understand, the more confused he will be. He got so goddamn anxious and worried the whole time, constantly asking if everything was okay and repeating phrases like "it's just a drug" and "it's okay it's okay".


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: k00laid]
    #14512892 - 05/25/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah a buddy of mine has the same problem.  I think his problem is he can't let go, trys to hang onto reality rather than allowing the shrooms to take over.  Some people will never be able to get over this and just shouldn't use psychedelics. 

My friend has never had a good trip and has tried many times on many different substances.  I don't understand it but I hate bad trips so I could understand why he doesn't want to use psychedelics.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: k00laid]
    #14513055 - 05/26/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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k00laid said:
he cant let go.

thats all




This.
My brother wanted to try shrooms, so I had him come over and we did them together.
He did 2.2grams, I did 2 cause I wanted to be pretty sober in case he needed me.

He spent the entire time in a continuous loop basically saying the same stuff. I tried my best to allow him to break out but its like he couldn't.

:feelsbadman:

I am under the opinion that psychedelics are NOT for everyone, and the more I see the more it reinforces the opinion.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14513728 - 05/26/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've detached from reality on 50 grams fresh. Laid in my bed rocking saying the same things over. Basically trying to figure out what time really was, and if it could be controlled in some way. Was checkig the clock every 2 minutes thinking forever passed.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: DuckManParkey]
    #14513752 - 05/26/11 05:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

LSD..... go there.

It's much better than schrooms.

Trust me.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14513758 - 05/26/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: drr]
    #14513913 - 05/26/11 06:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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drr said:
Quote:

tymoteusz3 said:
Quote:

k00laid said:
he cant let go.

thats all




This.
My brother wanted to try shrooms, so I had him come over and we did them together.
He did 2.2grams, I did 2 cause I wanted to be pretty sober in case he needed me.

He spent the entire time in a continuous loop basically saying the same stuff. I tried my best to allow him to break out but its like he couldn't.

:feelsbadman:

I am under the opinion that psychedelics are NOT for everyone, and the more I see the more it reinforces the opinion.



I've seen this happen too (the post beneath is a large dose which is another thing altogether)

Sometimes I worry that I may be this type. Somewhere along the way tripping got less fun and more serious.

I used to take larger doses and I had a great time. Now I'm cautious and intimidated by full effects.

But I've never gone stuck in a loop I'm thankful to say! I think I probably hold it together pretty well on the outside. Its on the inside that things are turbulent. Such is a psychedelic trip though, you either have to accept that or stop eating them.

OP your friend shouldn't eat mushrooms anymore. But maybe he is really just that sensitive. Maybe he needs to eat one gram or less and he will have a grand time. But it may be too late for that now, after two traumatic experiences. Let him make his own choices.

I don't subscribe to the idea that your friend is just broken and he can't take mushrooms. Everybody is different and it sounds to me like he may be two or three times as sensitive to psilocybin as the average person. Or maybe I am wrong and he really should not touch the things. I don't know.

For me, two grams of good cubes, I expect a pretty intense trip, not ego shattering obviously, but enough to shake me up if I'm not in the right set/setting - I know for some people that would be a threshold kind of dose. Your friend's reaction was pretty extreme though, and tripping is probably not for him.




Before a trip even I have some misgivings, like "should I do this or should I simply get fucked on K, because I know exactly what will happen". But I always buy the ticket and take the ride. Sometimes I have had REALLY hard times. Latest hard time was on a huge dose of 2CE (which started to go bad - It was nighttime and I was going DEEP and getting really DARK and DEEP) + A fuck ton of K on the peak (K + psychedelics is the most amazing thing ever), I slipped off into dissasosiative world which is AWESOME, only on 2CE unlike mushrooms my head was too clear and I started panicking as I could feel numbness sweep over my body. I was able to reassure myself it was just K which I know and love and the rest of the trip was heaven. (Think: Lying on a cloud, swimming in colors and music).

So even when I am having a bad time, I can still get myself out, and know that at the end of the bad time the reward will be amazing.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: egazda]
    #14514189 - 05/26/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

egazda said:
LSD..... go there.

It's much better than schrooms.

Trust me.




omfg people actually eat apples?

wtf guys, ive only been eating oranges. trust me, apples suck.


:rolleyes: :whatever:


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: k00laid]
    #14514292 - 05/26/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

trips can turn bad for no obvious reason quite suddenly

i'd say he took more then he could handle; he really was shocked and scared by the effects, and got lost inside his mind

the effects were too powerful


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: thomas2laylum]
    #14514810 - 05/26/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have a friend who had a freak out on just 1g before. He told me that he was still full on hallucinating when I was already coming down off of them. Some people are very sensitive to mush.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: Mescalineeee]
    #14514915 - 05/26/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I can relate to your friend. Right when your friend said he "shouldn't have done this again," I instantly thought of myself. Whenever I have a bad trip on acid, I always seem to think to myself, "why am I doing this to myself again?" Then I start thinking I'm stuck like that forever, it's just a scary place to be. The whole line, "why am I doing this to myself again?" is scary itself, because every time I say it to myself on a bad trip, I feel like I'm only making it worse and worse because I start thinking about my life and how things are going with it - in other words, the set, as in set and setting.

Also, maybe that's my problem too, I have to learn to let go on a trip, which I don't, I always fight it.

Didn't mean to ramble on so much, hope I don't derail your thread!

Anyway, is your friend in the proper set?


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: shroomben2003]
    #14515498 - 05/26/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IMO it's because he's inexperienced with them and did not know the power of a true psychedelic experience. Most people underestimate what a real trip brings to the table. It's a real commitment. Not like smoking some weed and just relaxing.

Also, over hundreds of trips I've taken with various people. Some are more prone to get sucked deep into the experience. It's as though there conditioning is not as strong as others and they can easily go through ego death. This can be a terrifying experience when it happens for the first time to someone that wasn't expecting it. Where more conditioned people, need to take massive quantities to even remotely lose their ego for a short time.


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Re: What happened to my friend? [Re: egazda]
    #16431070 - 06/24/12 02:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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egazda said:
LSD..... go there.

It's much better than schrooms.

Trust me.




Depends on the person...

OP I probably wouldn't suggest your friend continue using hallucinogens. It requires proper mind set and setting. However, I am a firm believer that some people should never try them period. It's like the people who go on the roller coaster and are literally freaked out clinging on for dear life. Some people can't just take the experience at face value and their brain begins to work overtime to try and decode their new reality. Everyone has "bad" experiences, but I always make it a point that if I make a commitment I do it, no excuses.

I have noticed that being in a public setting can be beneficial. When there are other people around it helps to set a barometer for my mind and puts me at ease. Haha its also fun to do regular shit when ur trippin balls and no one knows ^_^


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