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vandago



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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14508304 - 05/25/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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No you are fucked in the head for putting worth on human life.
Who cares how someone died? They will surely be missed by someone.
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LongStrangeTrip
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: vandago]
#14508586 - 05/25/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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vandago said: No you are fucked in the head for putting worth on human life.
Who cares how someone died? They will surely be missed by someone.
Thank you
And to aiyobro, yea your speakin' quick and not thinking but yea you saying that makes you a big asshole so what its unhealthy and its bad, im not a smoker anymore, but fuck you for being such a pretentious douche about it ~
Other than that yea were cool  
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badchad
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14508972 - 05/25/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it's pretty clear that this ban has nothing to do with second hand smoke.
It's about deterring smoking. Period. The more hassle it is to smoke, the less you will.
Smoking regulations are about balancing the rights of others (societal benefits) vs. individual liberties (the right to smoke). I don't think individual freedoms always trump those of the masses. Where you draw the line though, is never clear.
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setb
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: badchad]
#14511603 - 05/25/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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badchad said: Smoking regulations are about balancing the rights of others (societal benefits) vs. individual liberties (the right to smoke). I don't think individual freedoms always trump those of the masses. Where you draw the line though, is never clear.
It is pretty clear where to draw the line.
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It's about deterring smoking. Period. The more hassle it is to smoke, the less you will.
Right here. It isn't the government's place to act as nanny; people should be responsible for themselves. If they want to eat transfats, smoke, and drink that is their business.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14511678 - 05/25/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: ciggerrete smoke narrows tha arteries walls permanantly and people who smoke outside usually look like fucking idiots, they pay ten dollers a pack jus to sit there and poisen themselves with radiation no one being a pussy ass faget, people make such a big fucking deal when a ciggerrette smoker dies after putting 200 plus chemicals in their lungs for decades err im sorry but those type of people wont be missed
and this ban is only in parks and beaches
Really? I pay 3.50 a pack first of all. Second of all, if I want to fill mu lungs with toxins it's my perogative and it's not your place to dictate that choice. What a pile.
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badchad
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: setb]
#14511838 - 05/25/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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setb said: It is pretty clear where to draw the line.
Really? where? Because at some point, society pays for an individual's actions.
Smoking is an enormous societal cost. Billions spent each year on healthcare costs related to smoking. This burden is transferred onto society.
Most people don't give a shit if you smoke. I certainly don't care if you get lung cancer. What I DO care about, is when your 60 and show up in the ER coughing up a lung without insurance. I care because I PAY for it.
However, we obviously cannot and do not limit any and all adverse behaviors. So again, the question is "where do we draw the line".
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: badchad]
#14512827 - 05/25/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This has nothing to do with anything except getting another revenue stream started for the government.
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LongStrangeTrip
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: badchad]
#14514443 - 05/26/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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badchad said:
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setb said: It is pretty clear where to draw the line.
Really? where? Because at some point, society pays for an individual's actions.
Smoking is an enormous societal cost. Billions spent each year on healthcare costs related to smoking. This burden is transferred onto society.
Most people don't give a shit if you smoke. I certainly don't care if you get lung cancer. What I DO care about, is when your 60 and show up in the ER coughing up a lung without insurance. I care because I PAY for it.
However, we obviously cannot and do not limit any and all adverse behaviors. So again, the question is "where do we draw the line".
You pay for it in this way because Americans are to stubborn and ignorant to want to change the state of our health care system. You still do not have the right to dictate what others do to themselves or what lines should be drawn in terms of their personal "burden" on the health care system.
Single Payer FTW
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: vandago]
#14514636 - 05/26/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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vandago said: No you are fucked in the head for putting worth on human life.
Who cares how someone died? They will surely be missed by someone.

Even if their death is due directly to their own stupidity.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: NetDiver]
#14515012 - 05/26/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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people with serious allergies get fucked by second hand smoke... and every douche who refuses to move downwind or wait a minute. i feel for parks and beaches this is an OK move.
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LongStrangeTrip
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#14516187 - 05/26/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Knewnews said: people with serious allergies get fucked by second hand smoke... and every douche who refuses to move downwind or wait a minute. i feel for parks and beaches this is an OK move.
Thats such an unimportant concern I cant even begin to tell you.
I have sever allergies; if a smoker is blowing smoke in my face, they usually apologize and move....
NO allergies are so "serious" that they mandate banning smoking OUTSIDE, that's straight up retarded~
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14516410 - 05/26/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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who cares its only in recreational places people shouldnt even have to say it
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