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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
    #14514853 - 05/26/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Neither have I. Nothingness is depthless so it's not like it's going  to stop at some point and say congrats you've just discovered the profundity of nothingness. It's perhaps that the mind has questions that it wants answered and when it begins to sense that these questions can not be answered in a way that satisfies its needs for meaning and spirituality it pulls a one-eighty to get some more time looking for its own profound meaning elsewhere.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Tony]
    #14514861 - 05/26/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What's your point?


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
    #14514888 - 05/26/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I am pointless. :sun:


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Tony]
    #14514949 - 05/26/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Death anxiety will quickly make "nothing" into "something".


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Kickle]
    #14514979 - 05/26/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In a sense this whole existence we are living is like that. Are we really at the root of it all when we say "death anxiety" is the cause?


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Tony]
    #14515058 - 05/26/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I believe we are at the root of the human reaction to life.

It would be very interesting indeed to see what kind of a world we would create and how we would treat ourselves and others were there no death anxiety.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
    #14515111 - 05/26/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



I like this type of drawing of the tree of life because it shows very well the circular nature of it all. The roots are not separate from the highest branches, they are still connected. My loftiest ambitions are connected to my lowest drives.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Kickle]
    #14515125 - 05/26/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed it's a big ol messy circle


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
    #14515190 - 05/26/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure what constitutes messiness.

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It would be very interesting indeed to see what kind of a world we would create and how we would treat ourselves and others were there no death anxiety.




Maybe we would be killing each other left and right cuz it's fun to see all that red color splash around and no one would mind the loss of bodies because we can always make more. Sound attractive to anyone?

Seriously, who are we to say what reality should be like.. Fear has its place too.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Tony]
    #14515232 - 05/26/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To me messiness is my house about 6 days after I've cleaned it up.  Life is continually falling apart and coming together.

Maybe we would be killing each other like that. That's why I said it would be interesting to see.  I never said how life "should" be. That doesn't mean however that I prefer it this way.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14515233 - 05/26/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think, trying to keep oneself alive doesn't necessarily equal death anxiety.

It's fine to me when I get the impulses that there is 'danger' for my wellbeing imminent, but this keeps going just into a short stop mode and then rationalizing why there is.
The (re-)solutions always make me smile and more focused on life.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14515522 - 05/26/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What do you mean by death anxiety. Fear of the pain right before actual death? Like the fear of being decapitated in a car crash. Or the fear of the unknown after dieing and leaving this place?


Edited by LSDenthusiast (05/26/11 02:05 PM)


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: LSDenthusiast]
    #14515648 - 05/26/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Death anxiety encompasses both fears:

Death anxiety (psychology)
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The British National Health Service defines death anxiety as a feeling of dread, apprehension or solicitude (anxiety) when one thinks of the process of dying, or ceasing to be or what happens after death.




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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Poid]
    #14516997 - 05/26/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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LSDenthusiast said:
What do you mean by death anxiety. Fear of the pain right before actual death? Like the fear of being decapitated in a car crash. Or the fear of the unknown after dieing and leaving this place?



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Poid said:
Death anxiety encompasses both fears:

Death anxiety (psychology)
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The British National Health Service defines death anxiety as a feeling of dread, apprehension or solicitude (anxiety) when one thinks of the process of dying, or ceasing to be or what happens after death.








This.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
    #14520340 - 05/27/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The physical body dies, with it goes the personality.  What happens after death is the unknown.  Best guess is that nothing happens.

Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens -David Byrne



Nothing isn't something that happens. :shrug:


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14520422 - 05/27/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Did he say that? He said nothing happens.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Poid]
    #14520431 - 05/27/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And I'm saying nothing can't happen. See any incorrect underlying assumptions based on the inadequacy of language here?


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14520464 - 05/27/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And I'm saying nothing can't happen.


He's not saying that nothing is something that happens, he's saying nothing happens (i.e. there isn't something, such as an afterlife, that occurs after death, life and consciousness just cease to be).


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Samurai Drifter said:
See any incorrect underlying assumptions based on the inadequacy of language here?


Language always gets a little trippy when discussing "nothing". :crazy2:


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Poid]
    #14520484 - 05/27/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Saying there's no afterlife does not imply the absolute end of all experience, IMO.

I don't believe in an afterlife, but if you don't believe in souls/personal essences that specifically individuate people from each other, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that non-personalized sensory experience continues. Again, there's a great discussion of this idea in the article I linked to, which works entirely from naturalistic premises.


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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14520513 - 05/27/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Saying there's no afterlife does not imply the absolute end of all experience, IMO.


Huh? Isn't 'afterlife' defined as a continuance of experience upon death? :undecided:


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I don't believe in an afterlife, but if you don't believe in souls/personal essences that specifically individuate people from each other, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that non-personalized sensory experience continues. Again, there's a great discussion of this idea in the article I linked to, which works entirely from naturalistic premises.


Can you post the link again? I think it's strange that you say you don't believe in an afterlife, yet say that a "non-personalized sensory experience" continuing on after death isn't a far-fetched possibility..how are you defining 'afterlife'?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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