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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: gaidzag]
#14771131 - 07/15/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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What the self really fears imo is it's own impermanence. Death is the vehicle for this impermanence as far as we know.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
#14771598 - 07/15/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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That might be true, but all anxiety does not come from fear. We get anxiety from all sorts of things including love and longing. On the one hand yes the self fears its own impermanence, on the other we long to experience a state of total bliss and wholeness. Any desire you have ultimately leads towards a desire to be with your own self, to end the separateness. This whole death anxiety craze may just be your own experience, it's hardly logical to extend to towards others. People have extremely varying degrees of fear towards their own impermanence.
I for instance, though i fear the pain of death and aging, am not particularly troubled at the notion that this particular individual won't be around forever. Especially because I've eradicated much of my past ego over time so impermanence isn't so terrifying to me. I'm sure you won't believe me but it's true. My anxiety comes primarily from my longing and desires, and that motivates and informs my actions.
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: g00ru]
#14771650 - 07/15/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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but all anxiety does not come from fear. We get anxiety from all sorts of things including love and longing.
Oh I disagree. Love cannot cause anxiety but fear of loss of love certainly does, same with longing. It's all about perceived lack or possible loss.
I for instance, though i fear the pain of death and aging, am not particularly troubled at the notion that this particular individual won't be around forever.
No of course not, why should you. You have adopted a belief system that insures your immortality in one form or another.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
#14773298 - 07/15/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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no belief, just a feeling.
you don't think love causes anxiety? Say you're in love with a girl, like head over heels, all these great feelings for her in your heart. Then she breaks up with you without warning. You weren't afraid of that happening beforehand because of how blindly in love you were. But all of a sudden all of those great feelings turn into the worst pain. That has nothing to do with fearing your impermanence. That's just sorrow over something you don't have anymore, a longing for what has gone away. See the difference?
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: g00ru]
#14773396 - 07/15/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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First of all that's not love. That's emotional addiction.
But even that is symbolic of death. It's only after that "love" is gone that one feels anxiety. First one is immortal in love and then boom you find out you are a real mortal and can lose everything. Read Becker if you want lots more examples like this.
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
#14774077 - 07/15/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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what? yeah that's totally romantic love, maybe not the purest form but shit I'd still consider it love if you give somebody your heart. But see that's not fear of a future death, that's pain over a past "death," and I have no idea why you would call that death anxiety. That's heartbreak. Also, sure if you start to get symbolic about shit then anything can seem to be death anxiety, but I feel there are better ways to describe that feeling.
I mean i pretty much agree that fear of our own impermanence is a huge aspect of much anxiety. All anxiety does come from clinging. But it can't all be drawn back to physical mortality. Much of it is of a much subtler nature.
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: g00ru]
#14774244 - 07/15/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, sure if you start to get symbolic about shit then anything can seem to be death anxiety,
That's most of how death anxiety manifests according to Becker and I agree. The idea is that we don't want to be aware of these anxieties and as symbols that we pretend are something else, we don't have to be.
Giving some one your heart? That's self indulgence imo and actually dishonest. Take sex out of the equation and now who's giving their "heart" away. 
Much of it is of a much subtler nature.
Please, do go on?
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Re: anyone move past death anxiety? [Re: Icelander]
#14774274 - 07/15/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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In response to the title question, I've discerned the secret to life is in not dying... that guides my decision making to an extensive degree.
-------------------- To have received from one, to whom we think ourselves equal, greater benefits than there is hope to requite, disposeth to counterfeit love, but really secret hatred, and puts a man into the estate of a desperate debtor that, in declining the sight of his creditor, tacitly wishes him there where he might never see him more. For benefits oblige; and obligation is thraldom; and unrequitable obligation, perpetual thraldom; which is to one's equal, hateful.
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