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#14509704 - 05/25/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill May 25, 2011 - dallasnews.com
A ban on selling the hallucinogenic plant Salvia divinorum hit a roadblock Wednesday in the House.
Rep. Charles "Doc" Anderson, R-Waco, had the bill on the local and consent calendar, a place intended for non-controversial bills. But Rep. David Simpson, R-Longview, stopped it in its tracks by announcing he planned to speak against the bill for 10 minutes to kill it. And away it went.
Anderson expected opposition when he entered the House chamber, saying he knew there were shops that sell Salvia that would try to derail the legislation, Senate Bill 348.
But Simpson said his reasons were parliamentary and religious: He didn't think the bill belonged on local and consent and he didn't want to see the state ban a plant he said was created by God and that is used in some Indian religions.
"Our country was built on religious freedom," he said, adding that he didn't want to one day see his own religion undermined one day because it uses "symbols of the body and blood of Christ."
What Texas really needs when it comes to use of salvia, he said, is for parents to take responsibility for their children.
Anderson, noting that the Salvia ban previously won passage in a House bill on a 147-2 vote, said he will keep looking for another bill to tack the measure onto before the session ends Monday. He said he's open to creating a religious exemption. But he said the only cultures he's aware of that use the plant are in Mexico, and they only chew a leaf of it, not the dangerous extract from the plant.
Anderson compares Salvia to LSD because he says it causes dangerous out-of-body experiences. He has noted that 23 other states and several countries have banned the plant, which he said minors are often pulled into using through peer pressure.
"We're trying to protect these youngsters," Anderson said.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: veggie]
#14509801 - 05/25/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd probably vote for this guy. Good stuff.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: demon66] 1
#14509819 - 05/25/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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And suddenly I have respect for a lawmaker in Texas. I hadn't had that in about 10 years now, due to the state of the place I even left. It's good to see that not only are there people out there who can think logically, but that they also consider themselves what we'd think of as our "enemy," a Republican. Good to see some people haven't forgotten what the "republic" in that word means.
Kudos, David Simpson. You've earned the respect of heads all around Dallas.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: veggie]
#14509924 - 05/25/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What Texas really needs when it comes to use of salvia, he said, is for parents to take responsibility for their children.
this
common sense...it works, when people actually use it.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: piracetam]
#14509939 - 05/25/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Probably gonna write this guy and thank him.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: guywiththegun]
#14510020 - 05/25/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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guywiththegun said: It's good to see that not only are there people out there who can think logically, but that they also consider themselves what we'd think of as our "enemy," a Republican.
I used to be a liberal till i finally realized, Its typically liberals/democrats that are the biggest ones to strip away rights and freedoms contrary to popular belief. There are many butthole republicans (G W BUSH for one) that have strayed from the core values the party was founded on. Ron Paul talks shit about that all the time. He is a TRUE Conservative Republican
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14510041 - 05/25/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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And an atheist, hence why I love the dude.
And yeah, I don't consider the Republican party my enemy at all. They do great things towards making sure we get to keep our money, or at least the ones who "get it" do. Others are all in the pockets of churches and corporations. It's the same on both sides of the camp, it won't be long before party affiliation is pretty much meaningless anyways.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: guywiththegun]
#14510066 - 05/25/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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see how far a lil common sense goes:sniff:
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14510122 - 05/25/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said: I used to be a liberal till i finally realized, Its typically liberals/democrats that are the biggest ones to strip away rights and freedoms contrary to popular belief. There are many butthole republicans (G W BUSH for one) that have strayed from the core values the party was founded on. Ron Paul talks shit about that all the time. He is a TRUE Conservative Republican
actually, he's closer to a libertarian. fiscally conservative, socially liberal (which makes the most sense).
and Bush was a "neoconservative", their ideology was the antithesis of what conservativism actually respresents. they played the family values/religious card like it was going out of style, while giving tax breaks to their rich buddies on Wall Street, and supporting the outsourcing of jobs blue-collar workers had, overseas; not to mention relaxing environmental regulations of oil refineries, making Houston look as bad as LA. oh joy. all this while getting people waving their chinese-made american flags...you'd have to be either very stupid or asleep to not have seen the illusion.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: veggie]
#14510299 - 05/25/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hell yes, Longview is where I grew up. I'm actually surprised these words came from a Longview lawmaker's mouth.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: veggie]
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: naum]
#14510469 - 05/25/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://davidsimpson.com/contact/
In case anyone else wants to write a thank-you note for this guy
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: p_walter]
#14510888 - 05/25/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Justice? in Texas?

Holy shit. Wow. this place never ceases to amaze me.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: ShroomDoom]
#14510935 - 05/25/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would of never thought? A politician from Texas said this? Any ways furthermore Texas is a police state and if you get out of line just a hair and they will bust your ass down real quick
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: piracetam]
#14510941 - 05/25/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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piracetam said: actually, he's closer to a libertarian. fiscally conservative, socially liberal (which makes the most sense).
Now I could live with that kind of Libertarian.
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and Bush was a "neoconservative", their ideology was the antithesis of what conservativism actually respresents. they played the family values/religious card like it was going out of style, while giving tax breaks to their rich buddies on Wall Street, and supporting the outsourcing of jobs blue-collar workers had, overseas; not to mention relaxing environmental regulations of oil refineries, making Houston look as bad as LA. oh joy. all this while getting people waving their chinese-made american flags...you'd have to be either very stupid or asleep to not have seen the illusion.
I'm proud to say i certainly didn't. And you can sure he never got my vote, either in 2000 or 2004.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: Light My Fire]
#14510959 - 05/25/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Take that mister Anderson!
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: veggie]
#14511423 - 05/25/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A Republic using religion as a defense against Salvia being banned? Didn't see that coming.
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"We're trying to protect these youngsters," Anderson said.
ZOMG THINK OF TEH CHILDREN!!!1!
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: neur0net]
#14511750 - 05/25/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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not the dangerous extract from the plant.
Anderson compares Salvia to LSD because he says it causes dangerous out-of-body experiences. He has noted that 23 other states and several countries have banned the plant, which he said minors are often pulled into using through peer pressure.
"We're trying to protect these youngsters," Anderson said.

Bullshit Alert!
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14511857 - 05/25/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am a republican and even though i disagree with the 2 party bandwagons, i did it cuz its the only way you can vote sometimes 
True liberals are for taking Your rights away with the use of big government.
True republicans are for almost absolute freedoms with little government involvement.
Its too bad though that so many republicans follow the dumb ass republicans who are misled. In fact the majority of republican politicians id say are  They forgot what they are really suppose to be for. And therefore its now a repub vs demo war.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: dshow]
#14511864 - 05/25/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A Republic using religion as a defense against Salvia being banned? Didn't see that coming.
yea lolz THAT is one for the record books
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: dshow]
#14512631 - 05/25/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is a number of essays from political writers, from 1996 saying the war of drugs is lost. They have compelling arguments and logic, yet they are completely ignored. Probably the best essay is number 7, by stephen duke, where he points out the really illogical paradox in conservatives positions over drugs.
http://old.nationalreview.com/12feb96/drug.html
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: dshow]
#14514136 - 05/26/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dshow said: I am a republican and even though i disagree with the 2 party bandwagons, i did it cuz its the only way you can vote sometimes 
True liberals are for taking Your rights away with the use of big government.
True republicans are for almost absolute freedoms with little government involvement.
Its too bad though that so many republicans follow the dumb ass republicans who are misled. In fact the majority of republican politicians id say are  They forgot what they are really suppose to be for. And therefore its now a repub vs demo war.
the entire two party system is bullshit. You speak so sweepingly of separate ideologies that really are two sides of the same coin. In its current form, our two party system is nothing but a curtain for corporate interests to hide behind and pull the strings while giving us the illusion of participating in a democracy. There needs to be more from input from the people other than every 2 years checking BLUE or RED on a fucking slip of paper.
Outlaw the party system. Do away with this ancient outdated corrupt 2 player system and establish a new political arena based on individual stances and true representation of the people not party alliances. The alliance of representatives should be to the people first, not some gang of fat crooks stuffed with pockets full of unlimited corporate "free speech".
Overturn the supreme court ruling that allows corporations to give unlimited contributions as speech and hang the judges that made such a ridiculous ruling for high treason and subverting the political power and freedoms of the American people. Otherwise we are doomed to have our future continually sold for a quick dollar at the hands of the corrupt individuals and parties that care nothing about us.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: ShroomDoom]
#14516452 - 05/26/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Salvia is not like LSD! Wtf is guy anderson talking about. I don't hes really knows. I'd say DMT is more like LSD than saliva. But then DMT and salvia r more similar than salvia and LSD. But jah. Wonder if its still on the shelf over here.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: Ogla]
#14516535 - 05/26/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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To someone who has NO experience with the drug or psychedelics what so ever and by experience i mean use or education on the subject... Salvia is like LSD. Just like someone who knows nothing about Asia thinks that japan and china are the same thing.
If you think Salvia is like LSD then it's pretty much evidence of how little that person knows about psychedelics.
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jeez,why not compare salvia to pcp
I mean, media and law enforcement already refer to cocaine as "narcotic", a term that obviously refers to opiates. so yea...crack is a hallucinogen, with similar effects of heroin
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: ShroomDoom]
#14518176 - 05/26/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I saQuote:
ShroomDoom said:
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dshow said: I am a republican and even though i disagree with the 2 party bandwagons, i did it cuz its the only way you can vote sometimes 
True liberals are for taking Your rights away with the use of big government.
True republicans are for almost absolute freedoms with little government involvement.
Its too bad though that so many republicans follow the dumb ass republicans who are misled. In fact the majority of republican politicians id say are  They forgot what they are really suppose to be for. And therefore its now a repub vs demo war.
the entire two party system is bullshit. You speak so sweepingly of separate ideologies that really are two sides of the same coin. In its current form, our two party system is nothing but a curtain for corporate interests to hide behind and pull the strings while giving us the illusion of participating in a democracy. There needs to be more from input from the people other than every 2 years checking BLUE or RED on a fucking slip of paper.
Outlaw the party system. Do away with this ancient outdated corrupt 2 player system and establish a new political arena based on individual stances and true representation of the people not party alliances. The alliance of representatives should be to the people first, not some gang of fat crooks stuffed with pockets full of unlimited corporate "free speech".
Overturn the supreme court ruling that allows corporations to give unlimited contributions as speech and hang the judges that made such a ridiculous ruling for high treason and subverting the political power and freedoms of the American people. Otherwise we are doomed to have our future continually sold for a quick dollar at the hands of the corrupt individuals and parties that care nothing about us.
Like i said. I disagree with the 2 party bullshit.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: dshow]
#14518190 - 05/26/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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And i completely believe you on how alike they are. Its crazy. They really are just alike.
On one hand you have conservative republicans saying no to drugs,gay marriage, and to removing religion out of government. On the other hand you have liberal democrats wanting safety nets and big government.
Both are lesser freedoms. Its in plain sight. Neither is for "real freedom"
and BOTH have the government sticking its nose in your business.
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: dshow]
#14518286 - 05/26/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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and both are christian non american jips
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Re: East Texas lawmaker blocks Salvia bill [Re: veggie]
#14522411 - 05/27/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"We're trying to protect these youngsters," Anderson said.
Keyword: trying
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