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Inconsistencies In Language
#14509356 - 05/25/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A problem with the common context that language is used in is that it causes you to be seemingly inconsistent with a skeptical and materialistic world view.
We say things like say "you need to get healthier", and we automatically imply some sort of free will. Language (at least the dialect of English I am familiar with) is built around such assumptions.
Another example would be how we label things as "subjective" or "objective". We use "subjective" to describe things that are different for individuals, but it often goes further than that. We often take it to mean there is no reasoning behind it, or at least not an objective reason. This inherently puts us into an almost dualistic world view by implying that there are reasons for things that can somehow transcend a physical and objective explanation.
What are your thoughts?
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 4896744]
#14509382 - 05/25/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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iThink said: A problem with the common context that language is used in is that it causes you to be seemingly inconsistent with a skeptical and materialistic world view.
Why is this a problem?
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 1983]
#14509419 - 05/25/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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1983 said:
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iThink said: A problem with the common context that language is used in is that it causes you to be seemingly inconsistent with a skeptical and materialistic world view.
Why is this a problem?
Yet another example of what I was getting at. It's not a problem unless you define it as such, I just said "problem" because inconsistency is usually viewed in a negative light.
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 4896744]
#14509467 - 05/25/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't cling to a skeptical and materialistic world view, so it's not really a problem for me.
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 4896744]
#14510412 - 05/25/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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iThink said: We say things like say "you need to get healthier", and we automatically imply some sort of free will. Language (at least the dialect of English I am familiar with) is built around such assumptions.
So you don't think humans have some sort of free will?
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iThink said: Another example would be how we label things as "subjective" or "objective". We use "subjective" to describe things that are different for individuals, but it often goes further than that. We often take it to mean there is no reasoning behind it, or at least not an objective reason. This inherently puts us into an almost dualistic world view by implying that there are reasons for things that can somehow transcend a physical and objective explanation.
I don't think that our language implies that subjectivity transcends a physical and objective explanation..I think we make the distinction between subjectivity and objectivity out of mere convenience, it makes communication easier.
Are you denying the existence of subjective experience? If not, then why do you have issue with language labeling things as "subjective" or "objective"? Where is the inconsistency?
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 1983]
#14510470 - 05/25/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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By that do you mean you haven't let go of your fantasies?
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: xFrockx]
#14510615 - 05/25/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: By that do you mean you haven't let go of your fantasies?
What fantasies?
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 1983]
#14511182 - 05/25/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know. What fantasies?
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: xFrockx]
#14511245 - 05/25/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is the one with the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders that I find hard to let go of.
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: Poid]
#14511252 - 05/25/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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iThink said: We say things like say "you need to get healthier", and we automatically imply some sort of free will. Language (at least the dialect of English I am familiar with) is built around such assumptions.
So you don't think humans have some sort of free will?
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iThink said: Another example would be how we label things as "subjective" or "objective". We use "subjective" to describe things that are different for individuals, but it often goes further than that. We often take it to mean there is no reasoning behind it, or at least not an objective reason. This inherently puts us into an almost dualistic world view by implying that there are reasons for things that can somehow transcend a physical and objective explanation.
I don't think that our language implies that subjectivity transcends a physical and objective explanation..I think we make the distinction between subjectivity and objectivity out of mere convenience, it makes communication easier.
Are you denying the existence of subjective experience? If not, then why do you have issue with language labeling things as "subjective" or "objective"? Where is the inconsistency?
As to your first question, no I don't think humans have some sort of free will. I think everything is determined by physical reactions which we have no control over.
As to the second part, I guess I was basically arguing semantics, and the post was probably fairly poorly thought out. It sounded a lot better to me when I was high as fuck on cocaine a few hours ago.
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Re: Inconsistencies In Language [Re: 1983]
#14511272 - 05/25/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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son sun
this causes the biggest inconsistency for me.
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