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Another DMT question...
    #14508564 - 05/25/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I put my 75ccs of Naptha in the freezer yesterday and checked today, no crystals at all.

I followed the tek exactly.

Could my freezer not be cold enough?


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: akistrodon]
    #14508566 - 05/25/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I put my 75ccs of Naptha in the freezer yesterday and checked today, no crystals at all.

I followed the tek exactly.

Could my freezer not be cold enough?




Which tek? The norman one?

There is a possibility, but I am able to do it easily with a shitty apartment freezer on top of the fridge, what is yours like?

What do you have it in?


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: akistrodon]
    #14508591 - 05/25/11 06:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've read the freezer needs to be able to freeze ice-cream solid. I'm talking spoon bending solid.


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: The Phleg]
    #14508642 - 05/25/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have a large freezer on the top of a fridge. Like a 2 piece one. I keep lots of frozen rodents in there, For snake food, and they are all frozen solid.

I am doing the STB Tek I belive. The one that was posted on this fourm a few days/weeks ago?

I will check again when I get home, but I have the Naptha in a small glass jar.

Does it need to be air tight, because this jar is not.


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: akistrodon]
    #14509090 - 05/25/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know what your tek calls for, but freeze precip requires that the solvent be super-saturated as well as a very cold freezer.

Try evaping the spice rich solvent down to 1/3 of the original volume prior to the FP.  Perhaps use less solvent next time. The tek I use calls for a 1:1 solvent ml to MHRB gram ratio, but I use 20% less solvent than the tek calls for to avoid having to pre-evap. Of course doing this may or may not require an extra pull or two, but it ensures a good freeze precip IME.

Edit: Your jar needs to be closed for two reasons. First off added moisture (frost etc.) in your solvent will prevent xtals from forming. Second, naphtha will continue to evap even in the freezer potentially contaminating your food with evaporated solvent (it has to go somewhere).


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: The Phleg]
    #14509155 - 05/25/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've read the freezer needs to be able to freeze ice-cream solid. I'm talking spoon bending solid.



:offtopic: Thanks for reminding me I have ice cream in the freezer! :feelshighman: :offtopic:


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: Individual]
    #14509262 - 05/25/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I saw this user say that they just evaporate the naptha. It seems like the easiest route for this step, but I don't hear anyone else say they do this. Would this work, or would you get impurities?

Edit, the answer to my question is yes, there will be impurities and no pretty crystals.


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: akistrodon]
    #14509269 - 05/25/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Does the solvent stay clear or does it at least fog up? If it's fogging up that means the solvent isn't saturated enough or the freeze isn't cold enough. Did you mix the solvent with the base solution thoroughly? Merely swirling it with a utensil  isn't enough you gotta turn it completely upside down end over end over and over for at least a couple minutes each pull.


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: muistrue]
    #14510239 - 05/25/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Does the solvent stay clear or does it at least fog up? If it's fogging up that means the solvent isn't saturated enough or the freeze isn't cold enough. Did you mix the solvent with the base solution thoroughly? Merely swirling it with a utensil  isn't enough you gotta turn it completely upside down end over end over and over for at least a couple minutes each pull.




IME saturated naphtha fogs up like skim milk after being in the freezer for 30 minutes or so.  The jars are left in the freezer for around 24 hours during which time the spice crashes out into "snow" and the solvent goes clear again.


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: Lostkeys]
    #14510982 - 05/25/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My small glass jar had alot of condensation on it.

But the naptha was clear still.

I added the naptha back into my large jar in a 83 degree room, and im letting it sit until tonight, then im putting some naptha into a differnt small jar.

Well see how it goes.

Any other advice? I did 100 grams Mimosa Hostilis, 100 grams of Lye, and 150 ccs Naptha.

Sound right? Should I change anything?


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Re: Another DMT question... [Re: akistrodon]
    #14511969 - 05/25/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To each their own, but I've had several well informed individuals recommend a ratio of 1:1:15 (MHRB:Lye:Water) assuming you're using powdered bark.  Personally I like to scale the lye content to 10% of the volume of water used.  You can't mess up by adding too much lye, the only results from using too much is wasted lye. Therefore a small STB ratio would be 50g root bark, 75g lye, 750ml water... perfect for extracting in a quart jar.  In that example I'd use 30ml of naphtha per pull instead of the 50ml (equivalent to the weight of root bark used) recommended in Noman's tek.  This is to aid in saturation and thus the freeze precip.

Here's a link to Noman's Tek, it works like a charm, just be sure to read the addendum at the end.


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