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Re: Home Brewing Beer [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #15159228 - 09/30/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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A word on aluminum: Look in the back of John Palmer's book, How To Brew, and he's got an appendix on different metals and why you should or shouldn't use them. He specifically calls out a lot of the myths about aluminum, since in addition to being a great home brewer, he's also a metallurgical engineer. There are no links between Alzheimers and aluminum, at least not the kind we use for ANY kind of cooking. You're not going to get an off taste in your beer, and he actually goes so far to say that due to the high conductivity of the metal and quick (damn near instantaneous) oxidation rate, aluminum is not only safe to use in beer, it should actually be the metal of choice for a home brewer.

He's on the Brewing Network as well, and he's said this several hundred times at least: there is nothing wrong with aluminum.

Onto pellet hops. Pellet hops are going to be fresher. Why? Because less surface area is exposed to oxidation. Unless you are getting your whole leaf hops from a c02 filled freezer, they're going to oxidize faster, which means alpha acids degrade quicker. Pellet hops have far less surface area (only the outside is prone to oxidation) and therefore will last FAR longer than flower hops.

I know it sounds like I'm picking on you, Lunar, but during my time on this particular forum, I've read those myths being touted as truths five or six times at least. I just figured I'd chime in with what I learned.





You won't be able to pick on me when it comes to brewing.  The local club guys have tried to no avail. They keep using pellet hops what a slimy nasty mess those are to brew with.  Yuck.  I could give a rip about purported shelf life if it is garbage out of the extruder they press the leaf hops through it can stay garbage for 10 years it's still garbage even if fresh garbage.  Leaf hops when fresh are the best.  Period.  How could you even argue shelf life?  Use the hops in your beer this year then next year buy more.  Puterbaugh Farms they package them in nitrogen packed 1 lb bags.  Keep them in the freezer they keep a good year that way.  Or better yet grow your own like I do they are pretty easy in fact watch out they can take over if not contained.  Nothing better than fresh homegrown hops in your homebrew.  You should try it.

Aluminum?  No commercial brewery would even consider it but if you don't have the $$ for a 304 Stainless Steel brew kettle, mash tun and hot liquor tank aluminum will work fine.  I think John Palmer may also tout the use of plastic coolers for mash tuns why not just inject some BPA into your body?  Taste aside that has to be the dumbest idea yet.  There is a guy named Denny who loves plastic he must like to ingest endocrine disrupters the way he goes on...




I didn't say that stuff didn't work for you. I just said it isn't required, and furthermore, it isn't required for award winning beer. I've seen award winning beers and beers that scored in the mid-40's made with extract and pellet hops. If your system works for you, awesome. You seem to be very happy with the results. I just hate seeing people get discouraged because people try convincing them it isn't even worth it to brew unless you have an all-stainless brew sculpture with all the bells and whistles. Everyone starts at the bottom, and surely there was some point when you were doing concentrated wort boils with hopped extract.

As for leaf hops, I'd buy the nitrogen-packed leaf hops, they don't sound like a bad deal. There's no chance to lose alpha acids since they can't oxidize, and as long as they're kept frozen they should be fine. Most flower hops I see though are stored in freezers in brown paper bags, and they don't last long. I won't disagree that a fresh whole-cone hop is probably going to beat pellets any day, but if you're just starting to brew your own beer, what are the chances you can even taste the difference at that point?




When I first started all grain, I mashed directly in a Coleman Ice Cube plastic cooler and used the nylon bag approach like Geo. Well it works but when I realized that my stainless steel (cheap BTW) Proctor Silex 30 qt. stock pot fit perfectly inside the cooler and I could even put the lid on when mashing, I did that.  Then I started shoving my stainless braided hose to the bottom at the end of mash to start pulling the runnings off as I added mashout/sparge water to the top. 

Well the point being you can be cheap and smart and keep improving your all grain system.  But really man to argue about how great extract brewing is, pulleaze folks.  It is expensive vs. all grain, it is a hassle to dissolve and tends to burn on the bottom of your brew pot.  Worst of all it is concentrated heated garbage.  Why are we even having this discussion?  Why would any self respecting brewer go that way other than for initial learning?  I just don't get it.  Sure I started with extract.  The liquid extract.  Dry is even worse, spray dried malt is great for bottling with that's it.  So next you will tell me corn sugar is better than DME or something.  And I will say well corn is shit and it is all GMO so why are you using it?

As for hops, leaf hops are the way to go.  It's the same argument as all grain vs. extract.  Do you want to use processed heated garbage pellets or the real leaf.  Do you like Mexi pressed brown bud or nice fresh green intact buds?  Getting fragments of leaf out is way easier than dealing with the pellet sludge.  If you make a big hoppy IPA with pellet hops you will know of what I speak.  Well I would just not brew if I had to do that again.  When leaf hops are in the $10-15 a lb range and you can usually make 25 gallons of beer with a pound of them why are we having to use pellet hops again?  Maybe I am missing something oh yea they last 20 years.

Here's a great place to buy hops.  Support the farmer!  Very nice folks too.  You can buy rhizomes from them in spring.  You can buy your pellet hops too!

http://www.hopsdirect.com/store/domestic-leaf-hops.html




:rolleyes:
Your entire argument hinges on "bad hops are going into the pellet extruder." Simply not true. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.


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