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OfflineLearyfanS
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You, me and our families = dead meat
    #1450712 - 04/11/03 07:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like when we go into North Korea for revenge for 9-11, China will be on board to.

We're dead.

Quote:

SEOUL (AFP) - North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il paid a secret visit to
China last month, shortly after the start of the war in Iraq (news - web sites),
according to a US-based global intelligence consultancy citing Russian
intelligence sources.

During his visit, the reclusive Kim met new
Chinese President Hu Jintao, who said China
would not "stand idle" if relations deteriorated
further between Pyongyang and Washington,
according to Strategic Forecasts.

The visit occurred during a 50-day period which
ended last week and during which Kim, 61,
disappeared from public view in Pyongyang, the report said.

North Korea (news - web sites) is engaged in a standoff with the United
States over its atomic weapons ambitions, with Washington demanding the
Stalinist state scrap its nuclear programmes before it enters into dialogue.

South Korean officials said they were unable to confirm the visit, which
Strategic Forecasts said succeeded in healing a rift between Pyongyang
and Beijing over Beijing's detention in October of Yang Bin, a Chinese
citizen chosen by North Korea to head a proposed new economic zone at
Sinuiju on the border with China.




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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Learyfan]
    #1450725 - 04/11/03 07:12 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

there is no doubt in my mind a conventional war with china and north korea would lead to the bloodiest war in the history of the world, and a very good chance that nuclear weapons would be used as a desperation move.


Edited by LoOnEr (04/11/03 07:17 PM)


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Learyfan]
    #1450727 - 04/11/03 07:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I say we get working EMP weapons and then arm the world with nukes.

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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450740 - 04/11/03 07:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think Bush has the balls to go up against China. It would be disastrous.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: ]
    #1450741 - 04/11/03 07:20 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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between china and north korea




Maybe you just mistyped. It's us VS. China and North Korea.



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: ]
    #1450742 - 04/11/03 07:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

But does Rummy have the balls. That is the question.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: ]
    #1450744 - 04/11/03 07:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You kiddin' me?

I can hear his "YEE-HAW"'s already.



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450745 - 04/11/03 07:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

good point.

i sure as hell hope not.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: ]
    #1450751 - 04/11/03 07:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

the logistics of fighting china..

i cant even begin to imagine how incredibly difficult, costly, and time consuming that would be.

for nothing.

it would be MUCH easier to simply leave north korea alone.

if bush gets us in a war with china, i'm going to washington and busting out some john malvo style shit at 1500 pennsylvania avenue.

fuckers


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Learyfan]
    #1450768 - 04/11/03 07:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

What, engage in a war (with China) that will result in the destruction of one of the largest potential markets for our goods in the world? This is not on the agenda. Likewise, the U.S. is more valuable to China as a trading partner than North Korea (as currently administrated). If the Chinese were smart, they'd engineer a regime change in that basket case of a country.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Evolving]
    #1450777 - 04/11/03 07:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

good point


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450780 - 04/11/03 07:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

quite a good point..


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Evolving]
    #1450857 - 04/11/03 07:58 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i don't think they will play this out as an economic game. china and north korea are the last standing communist dictatorships left. when your looking for a last stand, this is it.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: ]
    #1450858 - 04/11/03 07:58 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Where would I get quality Wilsons leathers that are crafted in China if we destroyed them?


If it was just the US and China using conventional weapons who would win?

I of course say US!


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450899 - 04/11/03 08:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You are assuming you know the motives of this administration.

Judging by their actions as of late, do you think that they care about coertion? If the US ruled the world this wouldnt be an issue.

http://www.newamericancentury.org Read it-- Im serious. Look at it's signers. Its like a bible for world domination.

http://www.afp.com/english/newsml/stories/030411122642.l6oxwqhn.html


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1450910 - 04/11/03 08:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I think china may only be pacifing N. Korea.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Evolving]
    #1450930 - 04/11/03 08:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If the Chinese were smart, they'd engineer a regime change in that basket case of a country.

or... more likely, they have engineered the current nuclear crises.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #1450931 - 04/11/03 08:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Possibly, but will China align against russia if the lines began to be drawn.. dunno about that


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Learyfan]
    #1451268 - 04/11/03 10:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

When we go into North Korea for revenge for 9-11? WTF?

LOL! I highly doubt this will happen. If it does, I'm outta here.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Murex]
    #1451367 - 04/11/03 11:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

It just depends on if they think they can still use 9-11 to justify attacking this or that country. If they can succesfully lump North Koreans with the Arabs then they can get away with it.



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Learyfan]
    #1451399 - 04/11/03 11:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Learyfan]
    #1451411 - 04/11/03 11:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I know, no Korean terrorists have struck America in the past......really long time. Our motives would be obvious, thus they wouldn't do it. Plus it would put another dent in Amerikas wallet when we really don't need another one....just another reason NOT to go to war with N Korea. There are lots of reasons not to go to war with Korea. Just bekuz they gots nukes doesn't mean we would start a war with them.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Murex]
    #1451435 - 04/11/03 11:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

As far as I know, no Korean terrorists have struck America in the past......




As far as I know, neither have any Iraqi's.



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1451476 - 04/11/03 11:43 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

no shit...

personally i dont really think china would want to fight a war with the US, and i dont think the US will want to fight a war with china. the american public cant stand war casualties. hence the fact that iraq for some bizarre reason had to be number one on the list of countries to invade, while north korea has nukes and talks a lot of shit, and we refuse to even talk with them.

count on the US being in wars all over the place from now on - with pussy ass countries like Syria and Iraq.

if i were running north korea, i'd be stocking up on nukes and talking shit too. iraq is a perfect example of what happens to a country WITHOUT ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION when our president decides invading will help his re-election and oil buddies. we run up in em and fuck their shit up. will we do that to a country that might nuke seattle if we piss them off? i doubt it, unless all of the illuminati/2012 conspiracy theories are true......


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1451512 - 04/11/03 11:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I know, neither have any Iraqi's.

They don't have to do the act themselves ya know- they can fund other Arab terrorist orginizations. Kemikal weponz could be very effective when used for terrorist attacks too. Hummm...I wonder how Osama got ahold of Anthrax.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Murex]
    #1451560 - 04/12/03 12:10 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Where's the link they funded terrorism?

If you want to go after people who funded terrorism, perhaps we should be going to Saudi, first and foremost. As there is no monetary link between Iraq and US terrorism.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1451582 - 04/12/03 12:19 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

hey psilo thanks again for a good link to the new american century, possibly the most frightening website ever. A friend in class told me about it last week and I didnt believe him until I checked it out.
As for CHina, I think we have them by the economic balls.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1451619 - 04/12/03 12:42 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: ]
    #1451700 - 04/12/03 02:07 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

there is no doubt in my mind a conventional war with china and north korea would lead to the bloodiest war in the history of the world, and a very good chance that nuclear weapons would be used as a desperation move.




Please don't be silly. Look up the deaths in WWII.

The question is if there is a way to remove the threat of N. Korea peacefully over decades.. Or are we avoiding the inevitable (appeasement) now to only have to deal with a nuclear N. Korea in the future which will only result in higher casualties.

Sometimes war is necessary, Iraq was never something I would have focused on if I was Bush, but N. Korea is a totally different beast altogether.

China would not defend N. Korea if there was a war, any diplomat in this world could tell you this.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Thor]
    #1451771 - 04/12/03 03:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

China would not defend N. Korea if there was a war, any diplomat in this world could tell you this.

This is exactly what president Truman thought in the Korean War and we all know how that turned out...


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1451846 - 04/12/03 05:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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China would not defend N. Korea if there was a war, any diplomat in this world could tell you this.

This is exactly what president Truman thought in the Korean War and we all know how that turned out...
 




Phew, glad you thought that out  :grin:

Ummm this is not then, and really do you honestly think that China would lose its relations with the US and the western world to defend a poor and dying regime?

I know this forum is all about silly comments, but come on some serious opinions couldn't hurt once in a while :wink:

China wouldn't lose sleep over N. Korea. Thats reality.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: Thor]
    #1451857 - 04/12/03 05:51 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Don't underestimate the pull of history in that region.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1451861 - 04/12/03 05:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

and besides, didn't you read the article above:
"During his visit, the reclusive Kim met new
Chinese President Hu Jintao, who said China
would not "stand idle" if relations deteriorated
further between Pyongyang and Washington,
according to Strategic Forecasts"


if they're having secret meetings and shit, that makes me a little suspicious. i don't think China would risk relations with the rest of the world, but they won't stand by while we make a mess in their backyard. and even if it could be done, I wouldn't sacrifice one American life to disarm a country that has never attacked us.



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1451942 - 04/12/03 08:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Well aparently N.Korea has decided that they would be willing to engage in multilateral talks. This is what the US was demanding. What iwas N.K. reason for only wanting to talk to the US before? And why did the US refuse? I have no answers to these questions but would love to hear opinions.

The article sugests that China is working w/ NK and some else suggested China enginered the nuke crisis. What is the motivation for either of these? Is it to lead the US into a war or lead NK down a path of destruction?


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1452079 - 04/12/03 10:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You guys are waaayy overestimating the economic ties of the US and China. The DoD lists China as our #1 enemy. The world is working very hard to end its dependance on the United States. The rise of the euro, the new coalition of Russia, Germany, and France, the fact that the US, England, Poland and Spain are the only countries involved with the Iraq situation. The fact that China and Russia are both supplying weapons to Iraq as they did Afghanistan...

Powers are shifting. Why wouldn't China support North Korea


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: friartuck]
    #1452095 - 04/12/03 10:24 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

hhmmmm.... good point. We need to deal with the reality of a new multi-polar world. This "sole remaining superpower" thing has been overplayed, there are now 9 official and unofficial members of the nuclear club and it's only gonna get larger. We need to deal with reality.



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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1452678 - 04/12/03 02:01 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The UN will step in if and when North Korea starts production on an ICBM that would reach across the world. Until then the small missiles shot form NK will more likely be shot down by partiot missliles. 7 out of 10 patriot missiles hit SCUDS so far in the Iraqi conflict. ICBM's are impervious to partot missiles as they actually travel in the atmosphere. Do not think that our regime is all to concerned about North Korea as even if they did make a nuclear warhead, chances are that it will be poorly engineered and liable to mishap. Once other countries are put in danger by ICBM's, things will become different.


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Re: You, me and our families = dead meat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1452755 - 04/12/03 02:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Really?

China backs NK


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