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"Why do you contradict everything I say!?"
    #14506712 - 05/24/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you were tying your boat to a dock and I notice that you've made a mistake in the knot, should I just pass you by?

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14506767 - 05/24/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is rare for anyone to accept unsolicited advice - even when it is in their best interest. The usual response is anger and not appreciation.


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14506787 - 05/24/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you were correct in your observation, perhaps stopping to point out the mistake could  be useful. Assuming you were correct in your observation.

But on the other hand, if you were incorrect in your observation and stopped to try and point out what you perceived as a mistake in the knot, then you're just annoying, wasting my time, and I would wish you'd just f*#k off with your nonsense.


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: Mufungo]
    #14506821 - 05/24/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Most of the time I see the fucked up knot, but the sailor is too sure of themselves, thinking they are such an expert in knot tying that it cannot be wrong. There's no boat to be lost, just sanity.

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14506827 - 05/24/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it can't hurt to say something, right?


i mean, unless the sailor is ass-cracking-crazy and chases after you with that rope or whatever. :lol:


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #14506828 - 05/24/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I call that work.

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14506831 - 05/24/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It is rare for anyone to accept unsolicited advice - even when it is in their best interest. The usual response is anger and not appreciation.




I've learned that people's reactions to unsolicited advice largely depends on the approach/tact of the advice giver. Usually if it's done in a respectful way and giving the person the choice of whether they take it, usually, well in my experience at least, the person takes it (because they're curious of what it is) and if it helps, they appreciate it.  ...the trick is to ease it in slowly and give them a choice to say no. :naughty:


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14506842 - 05/24/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Most of the time I see the fucked up knot, but the sailor is too sure of themselves, thinking they are such an expert in knot tying that it cannot be wrong. There's no boat to be lost, just sanity.




How do you know that you're not just being too sure of yourself?


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: Mufungo]
    #14506847 - 05/24/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its a combination of how receptive the person is at that moment and how much respect the advisor gives. If someone is say, a starving artist who lives for their painting, you probably won't get far telling them their art is crap. If someone is a student who isn't sure of themselves and is trying to learn, even blunt criticism can be effective.

Most of the time, I prepare myself for everyone to be insecure and crazy. Sometimes I am surprised by what I see people put up with.

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Re: [Re: Mufungo]
    #14506852 - 05/24/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Because I "check my knots" (question myself) and I am always waiting for someone to correct them. I don't keep any knots though, because IME they all fail eventually, just like real ones, but I don't know so I keep checking.

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14506871 - 05/24/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Because I "check my knots" (question myself) and I am always waiting for someone to correct them. I don't keep any knots though, because IME they all fail eventually, just like real ones, but I don't know so I keep checking.




So how do you respond to someone telling you you've got some fucked up knots there buddy?


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: Mufungo]
    #14506880 - 05/24/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"How are they fucked up?"

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14506898 - 05/24/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It is rare for anyone to accept unsolicited advice - even when it is in their best interest. The usual response is anger and not appreciation.




Of course. And this applies to us all.

Its just that there is a difference between unsolicited advice and "you are wrong I am right" egotrip advice.


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14506916 - 05/24/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And then after they tell you...

From what I've witnessed usually you resist accepting it and retort by trying to say that the advice you were given was faulty, side tracking by picking at how the words "don't make sense" until the topic is derailed to discussing flower arranging instead of knots. ...just an observation.


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: Mufungo]
    #14506926 - 05/24/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"And then after they tell you..."

I retie the knot.

"From what I've witnessed usually you resist accepting it and retort by trying to say that the advice you were given was faulty, side tracking by picking at how the words "don't make sense" until the topic is derailed to discussing flower arranging instead of knots. ...just an observation. "

Example? I can post quite a few examples of me being asked a question about something I claimed and then me either taking it back or admitting I didn't know it. Not saying it hasn't happened, it has, moreso when I first joined the forum. Anymore I feel like I'm always the one trying to untie the knots, and that even though we have some excellent knot tyers here (Icelander), they are always able to be untied (even death anxiety, but that's one hell of a knot).

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14506961 - 05/24/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"And then after they tell you..."

I retie the knot.





It sounds nice, but I find this hard to believe. Do you have an example of this on this forum?

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"From what I've witnessed usually you resist accepting it and retort by trying to say that the advice you were given was faulty, side tracking by picking at how the words "don't make sense" until the topic is derailed to discussing flower arranging instead of knots. ...just an observation. "

Example? I can post quite a few examples of me being asked a question about something I claimed and then me either taking it back or admitting I didn't know it.




Look at almost any thread where you're involved. A recent one was when you're saying groups don't exist. That was a nice example where you were conceptually confused and unable to see the forest for the trees.


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14506968 - 05/24/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"How are they fucked up?"




Whoa, calm down!


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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: Mufungo]
    #14506974 - 05/24/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"A recent one was when you're saying groups don't exist. That was a nice example where you were conceptually confused and unable to see the forest for the trees. "

How so? No one said anything in that thread that would contradict the claim that groups don't exist. I'd be the first to admit I don't really know if groups do or do not exist. I see what I see, I can tell you that, but if there is some "essence" of groupdom that really exists, then I would be wrong. I just don't know where or if such a thing exists.

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14506982 - 05/24/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Huh?

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Re: "Why do you contradict everything I say!?" [Re: xFrockx]
    #14506988 - 05/24/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:shrug:


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