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WickedShweet
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Dung beetles
#14504997 - 05/24/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys. Im about to start an LC and plan on spraying it on horse poo on private property. Now i notice that there are dung beetles all over the poo out there. Would they be a problem?
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Yes, I've heard dung beetles like to get high.
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they just might spread your culture far and wide lots of shrooms everywhere
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: Gotlib]
#14505028 - 05/24/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what kind of LC? as in what species? im guessing Psilocybe cubensis? if you do it right, there will be enough mushrooms to feed and keep those beetles high for millennium to come. they might nibble at them but i wouldnt be worried. and also this:
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Yes Psilocybe Cubensis, I plan on going around hitting up some patties and then doing a mix of horse and cow poo with straw on top of wood shavings on top of fertile soil, under a large covering. Sound legit? lol
Also if i were to do this with copes would it be the same process? And sorry for stupid posts, i need my post count up. so might as well get some info whilst trying to get to the 60 mark...
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What're the wood shavings for and where abouts do you live?
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: elprawn]
#14506928 - 05/24/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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elprawn said: where abouts do you live?
Hmm… careful, careful! (just teasing)
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: foxtym]
#14506942 - 05/24/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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elprawn said: where abouts do you live?
Hmm… careful, careful! (just teasing) 
Was just wondering because I'm not sure those species will grow outdoors in every state... if indeed the OP does live in USA.
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: foxtym]
#14506963 - 05/24/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ancient Egyptians used to worship Dung Beetles, and you know what they say about ancient sacraments (and those wild Egyptians). I suspect the bugs harbor some interesting defense chems (or they collected them and fed them some interesting fungi and then ate them).
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: foxtym]
#14507191 - 05/24/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im in FL Ive done my fair share of research my man.
Unlike most of these one time posters that disappear over after an id request with blurry photos and no info.lol
The wood shavings are from the stalls in the barn. i figure they will keep some moister in since we arnt getting ANY rain. I plan on watering daily.
Would mixing spores with LC just be a waste?
If this does work, how long till i would see fruits?
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On the contrary, I believe wood shavings are quite porous and will remove moisture from the substrate. Pubs over here used to use cover their hardwood floors with sawdust to soak up spillages.
If you want to stop moisture from escaping, how about an airtight container?
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: elprawn]
#14507732 - 05/24/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Eh, thats a little noticeable lol. I just want cubes to grow on my land.
And im not talking saw dust powder, im talking horse bedding soaked with water...keeping humidity in.
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WickedShweet said: horse bedding soaked with water...keeping humidity in.
Yep, that sounds like a good idea.
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I'm still not convinced that anything that soaks water will keep humidity in. 
I dunno, though. This discussion belongs on the cultivation forum.
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: elprawn]
#14507870 - 05/25/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My b.
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Hunting and Identification.
Reason: Its a cultivation question.
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its pretty hard to get cubensis to fruit on horse manure that isnt prepared youd have better luck in a cow field
or collecting the horse manure and using it
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Squirting LC on some poo/wood/straw outdoors is highly likely to fail. Your chances would be much better using a lot of grain spawn mixed into a bed of the manure, etc.
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: FooMan]
#14508792 - 05/25/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FooMan said: Squirting LC on some poo/wood/straw outdoors is highly likely to fail. Your chances would be much better using a lot of grain spawn mixed into a bed of the manure, etc.
PRECISELY!
or
are you blowing your Liquid culture
or are you innoculating the source
gotta get a little dirty in this hobby. roll up ur pants, and bring some slip on boots
cant let that goat get away!
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: just me]
#14508874 - 05/25/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ummm... Wood chips are used to help slow down moisture and nutrient migration in well drained soils, as they will absorb and hold onto it; then slowly release it. Meaning; they help keep it right there, instead of being washed/drained away. They are a slow nitrogen release as well. I would suggest mixing sawdust, 1~2in chips and everything in between; for your initial bedding, as far as wood chips go. Be sure to avoid cedars, redwood, pines and the like. Fir might be okay, for some species, if aged (iirc)...
Hope this helps :-)
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: FooMan]
#14508886 - 05/25/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FooMan said: Squirting LC on some poo/wood/straw outdoors is highly likely to fail. Your chances would be much better using a lot of grain spawn mixed into a bed of the manure, etc.
WORD! QFT
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: FooMan]
#14508893 - 05/25/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FooMan said: Squirting LC on some poo/wood/straw outdoors is highly likely to fail. Your chances would be much better using a lot of grain spawn mixed into a bed of the manure, etc.
I don't think squirting LC on a properly prepared substrate, or not, on an outdoor bed would result in success either. Seems the LC would, as soon as it left it's sterile environment, attract every contaminate spore on the planet to it like a tractor beam, due to the high sugar content of the liquid medium. Them contaminate spores would surely gain a foot-holding and infect the inoculant spreading to the substrate.
If you were going to go the route of squirting an inoculant onto a dung pile, I'd go with a dark and heavy MS solution and spray it onto field aged cow manure in a shady area. Cow manure is one of the manures that cubensis grow off in the wild (horse manure is not). There's also been reports of success inoculating cow manure with spores, outdoors.
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Personally; if I were to consider doing this... I would pull myco-water from a colonized grain jar for applying to an outdoor dung pile via a pocketed syringe... Then again; if it were me, I'd use the whole colonized jar of grain and leave the syringe at home.
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your second point is 
stripping that mycelium from its food souce (grain LC) and introducing it to a new harsher food source (innoculating substrate) isnt going to work out too well
think baby food. toddler food. adult food liquid culture, grain, substrate
babies cant eat adult food
or can they, i dont know
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: just me]
#14518805 - 05/27/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmmm lots of conflicting things, but this thread was moved...
Thanks for the input guys.
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Quote:
WickedShweet said: Hmmm lots of conflicting things, but this thread was moved...
Thanks for the input guys.
i just gave this a once over, and i see nothing conflicting.
you were told that squirting mycelium laden sugar water onto piles of horse manure will not work.
you will want to collect that horse manure, properly leach it (or not if its nice and field ages) make a nice big bed of horse manure, and inoculate it with grainspawn.
if you are unsure of how to prepare grain, check my sig.
if you are unsure of how to inoculate grain. use spores.
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pm me if that was too confusing.
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Re: Dung beetles [Re: k00laid]
#14520260 - 05/27/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so conflicting!
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