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Picking early pins to promote even flushes?
    #14503927 - 05/24/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So from past experience I have had many many aborts from uneven pin sets, since they grow in flushes not one by one. The bigger pins grow leaving the smaller ones behind to abort.

It has been recommended to pick early pins. The logic behind this is since they grow in flushes, the energy would be put back into the 200+ pins instead of being used for the larger ones.

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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504071 - 05/24/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There has to be someone with past experience with this? I think I might go ahead and pick the larger ones if I dont hear anything soon


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504095 - 05/24/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fist of all, you're supposed to wait 24 hours before bumping your own thread, not six minutes. 

Second, stop listening to noobs without a clue.  Who says the mycelium is supposed to fruit in nice even flushes?  Most strains produce individual fruits, as yours is doing.  Picking early pins does not cause an even flush, but rather it screws up your total harvest.

If you want nice neat flushes, you'll have to isolate a strain that does so.  Until then, pick fruits as they're ready.  You can clean the aborts off whenever you want to, or wait until after the block is spent.

The long stems and tiny caps indicate insufficient fresh air supply and possibly insufficient light as well.
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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504138 - 05/24/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i would just leave them if i were you. But, I'm not an "expert". all I have is novice experience.

I had this happen and I just waited until the absolute last minute to harvest the big ones. the smaller ones were estimated to be harvested 1-3 days later.

as far as aborts, I think you should be fine.


think of it this way: would you rather let those big guys finish out their growth, and you know that they're gonna get big...
OR
pick them and HOPE that the pins get enough nutrients to grow big.


I would let those big guys grow.


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: cappsnstems]
    #14504156 - 05/24/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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pick them and HOPE that the pins get enough nutrients to grow big.




That's not how it works with mushrooms.  Less nutrients are better at fruiting time.  Mushrooms don't grow the way plants do.
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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14504197 - 05/24/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fist of all, you're supposed to wait 24 hours before bumping your own thread, not six minutes. 

Second, stop listening to noobs without a clue.  Who says the mycelium is supposed to fruit in nice even flushes?  Most strains produce individual fruits, as yours is doing.  Picking early pins does not cause an even flush, but rather it screws up your total harvest.

If you want nice neat flushes, you'll have to isolate a strain that does so.  Until then, pick fruits as they're ready.  You can clean the aborts off whenever you want to, or wait until after the block is spent.

The long stems and tiny caps indicate insufficient fresh air supply and possibly insufficient light as well.
RR




Thanks for the response.

Sorry for the bump, didnt realize the 24 hr thing.

Its wasnt a noob but rather it looked like someone who was well trusted, thats why I was considering the advice. I spent the last few hours looking for this post with no success.

Do you have any idea why it would screw up the harvest, if I were to cut a few before they mature? Not that I dont trust you, I just like to be informed of the reasons


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: cappsnstems]
    #14504213 - 05/24/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

PS...

I think you need a bigger container for your perlite/tray terrarium. there should be some open space between the walls of the container and trays for the moisture to circulate up from the perlite. The moisture will only collect on the bottoms of the lips of the trays...


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14504246 - 05/24/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

OR
pick them and HOPE that the pins get enough nutrients to grow big.




That's not how it works with mushrooms.  Less nutrients are better at fruiting time.  Mushrooms don't grow the way plants do.
RR





sorry, my wording was wrong. I was trying to convey a response from this phrase in the original post:
"The logic behind this is since they grow in flushes, the energy would be put back into the 200+ pins instead of being used for the larger ones.
"


all in all, the latter of the two options is not the wisest.


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: cappsnstems]
    #14504247 - 05/24/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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cappsnstems said:
PS...

I think you need a bigger container for your perlite/tray terrarium. there should be some open space between the walls of the container and trays for the moisture to circulate up from the perlite. The moisture will only collect on the bottoms of the lips of the trays...




I know, I have have 5 containers of different shapes and sizes, whatever I could find. I have no money right now, beggars cant be choosers :smile:


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504255 - 05/24/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

smokey1445 said:
Quote:

cappsnstems said:
PS...

I think you need a bigger container for your perlite/tray terrarium. there should be some open space between the walls of the container and trays for the moisture to circulate up from the perlite. The moisture will only collect on the bottoms of the lips of the trays...




I know, I have have 5 containers of different shapes and sizes, whatever I could find. I have no money right now, beggars cant be choosers :smile:





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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: cappsnstems]
    #14504257 - 05/24/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

cappsnstems said:
Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Quote:

OR
pick them and HOPE that the pins get enough nutrients to grow big.




That's not how it works with mushrooms.  Less nutrients are better at fruiting time.  Mushrooms don't grow the way plants do.
RR





sorry, my wording was wrong. I was trying to convey a response from this phrase in the original post:
"The logic behind this is since they grow in flushes, the energy would be put back into the 200+ pins instead of being used for the larger ones.
"


all in all, the latter of the two options is not the wisest.




When I say energy, I dont mean nutrition


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504297 - 05/24/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Now I remember who it was, It was hyphae who had said this and it didnt sound like it was just a theory


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504413 - 05/24/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: cappsnstems]
    #14504523 - 05/24/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/13231567



Yea thanks, thats related to it but not the exact post I was speaking about


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14504793 - 05/24/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

usually, imoe, the first pins are the biggest and they have the genetics to pin quickly..clone those bad boys and use them for your next grow and youll have a nice even pinset (assuming you correctly induce fruiting).

i cant think of any reason to pick early pins.


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: smokey1445]
    #14504822 - 05/24/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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smokey1445 said:
Quote:

cappsnstems said:
Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
Quote:

OR
pick them and HOPE that the pins get enough nutrients to grow big.




That's not how it works with mushrooms.  Less nutrients are better at fruiting time.  Mushrooms don't grow the way plants do.
RR





sorry, my wording was wrong. I was trying to convey a response from this phrase in the original post:
"The logic behind this is since they grow in flushes, the energy would be put back into the 200+ pins instead of being used for the larger ones.
"


all in all, the latter of the two options is not the wisest.




When I say energy, I dont mean nutrition




I'm curious what leads you to suspect the mushrooms are consuming energy rather than supplying it? At any rate, my experience from growing several million mushrooms is that picking early 'volunteers' isn't going to help deliver a better flush later.
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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14504867 - 05/24/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how well a sub is prepared as in moisture content and how even the moisture is throughout and how even the surface is has alot to do with things.. but genetics is 99% of te equation in this game..
get rid of the fan in the room. I run 20 tubs on a rack and don't use a fan, it will just end up drying out your sub or lowering your RH below 87-92%


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14504936 - 05/24/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm curious what leads you to suspect the mushrooms are consuming energy rather than supplying it? At any rate, my experience from growing several million mushrooms is that picking early 'volunteers' isn't going to help deliver a better flush later.
RR





Are you saying it may be possible that these 'volunteers' are actually promoting more energy to smaller pins? Can you explain?

From what I observed, these early volunteers are stunting the growth of the smaller pins. They continue growing while the smaller ones stall. During this time, specially if conditions are off, aborts are more likely to occur. It may not help the future flush directly but it may in this fashion.

All of nature works like this. Get your 'seed' out as fast as possible by using as little energy as possible for your species.

Either way, I have a few tubs with this going on right now and im going to experiment a bit. Ill leave one alone and pick the other.


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Re: Picking early pins to promote even flushes? [Re: cyanara]
    #14504959 - 05/24/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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cyanara said:
how well a sub is prepared as in moisture content and how even the moisture is throughout and how even the surface is has alot to do with things.. but genetics is 99% of te equation in this game..
get rid of the fan in the room. I run 20 tubs on a rack and don't use a fan, it will just end up drying out your sub or lowering your RH below 87-92%




Fan is also for my own comfort :smile: I think im going to start using clones again and solve this problem


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