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what do you tell people about psychedelics?
    #14503857 - 05/24/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

do you ever influence anyone in positive ways by teaching them about psychedelics if interest is shown? i wish more people could just run wild with the possibilities psychedelic drugs are capable of instead of thinking of them as just other "drugs" that are shallow deep down

obviously not everyone on here looks at them that way

if this post was confusing it's cuz i took too much drugs :evil:


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14503902 - 05/24/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Trust me man, I'm at the end of my rope dealing with the general ignorance of the public with psychedelics. 

It's unbelievable that something like alcohol is completely legal when its one of the most dangerous substances around, when completely harmless psychedelics are still Schedule I "drugs."

There are people that I know that smoke pot every single day, like every half hour, but if you mention mushrooms or an acid trip, they freak out and make you feel like an outcast.  Give me a fucking break.

I'm right with you brother, it annoys me to no end.  Obviously those who condemn these substances have never actually tried them before.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Dave Bowman] * 2
    #14503910 - 05/24/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"if you have to ask, they're not for you." :Trollface:


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14503919 - 05/24/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

right... it doesn't even so much annoy me cuz it was what it is, but it is sad.. i guess i'm looking for more inventive ways to teach people. but then again, that doesn't even fucking matter people are going to make their own choices regardless. by that i meant it's not wise to focus on changing someone elses mind

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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14503933 - 05/24/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've tried teaching people I know about the principles and benefits of the psychedelic, shamanic lifestyle, particularly spiritually-minded people. However most of them fear psychedelics too much to go that route. I guess for them, the intensity of these experiences outweigh the rewards. It's a taboo subject for most people.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Space Elf]
    #14503941 - 05/24/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i believe anything is possible if the right vibrations are sent at the right time, i mean like... anyone's mind could be changed it just has to be under the correct set of circumstances, they have to be approached the correct way, etc.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Salomon]
    #14503952 - 05/24/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"if you have to ask, they're not for you." :Trollface:





This and "Try them yourself."


Explaining psychadelics is pointless, because if the person hasn't done it, they generally try to bring up points on why it's 'bad'.  I always feel this way towards them: 'It's not about it being good or bad dumbfucks, it's about the experience, you asked what the experience was like.'
This again is my personal reflection on people who aren't experienced with something.  (Though this can be anything, if someone hasn't experienced eating filet mignon and has been a vegetarian most of their lives, they'll probably bring up negative points while you're explaining the experience of the delicious beef-flesh you are chewing upon, even if they were just asking what it tasted like.


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i believe anything is possible if the right vibrations are sent at the right time, i mean like... anyone's mind could be changed it just has to be under the correct set of circumstances, they have to be approached the correct way, etc.




As aldous huxley commented, we cannot truly share our own experience and perspectives, we can only try to portray them to others through symbols and words in a way where we Hope they might somewhat understand.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Maverick]
    #14503956 - 05/24/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the only possible negative of a psychedelic for a person would be a negative in their mind


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14503973 - 05/24/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the only possible negative of a psychedelic for a person would be a negative in their mind




Unfortunately people are greatly influenced by symbolism and word of mouth if they haven't actually experienced it yet.  They believe and will even preach what they have been taught through word of mouth as if it were truth.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Maverick]
    #14504069 - 05/24/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Psychedelics are very difficult to describe...
all you can do is attempt to put words to an experience that is
largely unexplainable.

I'm going to initiate a friend on thursday and he has worries about
freak outs and bad trips but i feel i've done a pretty good job
describing the experience and how important they are to me.


Trying mushrooms for the first time was a milestone in my life.

i'm not quite sure i'd be the person i am now if i had never experienced
psychedelics.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
    #14504074 - 05/24/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'm not quite sure i'd be the person i am now if i had never experienced
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i think i'd be such a fuckhead


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14504118 - 05/24/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'm not quite sure i'd be the person i am now if i had never experienced
psychedelics.




i think i'd be such a fuckhead



if psy's have done anything positive for me they have made me a more
empathetic, thoughtful person.
I worry less about how other perceive me.

and they have helped me realize who my true friends are and who i should
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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14504119 - 05/24/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd just be close-minded, and still probably think drugs make people 'bad'.  :lolsy:


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
    #14504128 - 05/24/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeliciousVinyl said:
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owls said:
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DeliciousVinyl said:
i'm not quite sure i'd be the person i am now if i had never experienced
psychedelics.




i think i'd be such a fuckhead



if psy's have done anything positive for me they have made me a more
empathetic, thoughtful person.
I worry less about how other perceive me.

and they have helped me realize who my true friends are and who i should
spend time with!
:awebig:
i love mushrooms :mushroom2::mushroom2:




psychedelics have taught me how to respect myself and others. pretty weird i never even knew how to do that years ago


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14504304 - 05/24/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I tell them that if they die without experiencing them, the sum of their life's experience would be greatly lessened. Psychedelics really opened my eyes to the liquid nature of  our perception and how distorted our perspective can be. It endowed a better understanding of things such as mental disorders and temporarily granted me synesthesia on one occasion. It's a part of the show you don't want to miss.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14504307 - 05/24/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

With cautionary emphasis that it's also a channel you would be better to surf by occasionally and not get stuck on.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: blujay]
    #14504332 - 05/24/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

just hand them a copy of "The Doors of Perception". Book is an amazingly lucid mescal trip report. Huxley was fantastic with words and does a great job at describing the general ignorance most people approach the "psychedelic experience" with (although this was written well before the whole "psychedelic movement" even began).


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Maverick]
    #14504335 - 05/24/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Salomon said:
"if you have to ask, they're not for you." :Trollface:





This and "Try them yourself."


Explaining psychadelics is pointless, because if the person hasn't done it, they generally try to bring up points on why it's 'bad'.  I always feel this way towards them: 'It's not about it being good or bad dumbfucks, it's about the experience, you asked what the experience was like.'
This again is my personal reflection on people who aren't experienced with something.  (Though this can be anything, if someone hasn't experienced eating filet mignon and has been a vegetarian most of their lives, they'll probably bring up negative points while you're explaining the experience of the delicious beef-flesh you are chewing upon, even if they were just asking what it tasted like.





people try to reassure themselves that what they know is the truth by putting doubt on socially abstract ideas like the use of psychedelics. 

people who like psychedelics also like to rationalize their use by talking about the benefits. 

Find a middle ground based solely on logic and that's where our drug morals should come from.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14504345 - 05/24/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That they are totally awesome and make you damned euphoric

then if they respond negatively I don't waste my time convincing them, them who respond positively get dosed ASAP :rave:


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14504468 - 05/24/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A good portion of my friends see me as the laidback, wise purveyor of good advice and knowledge and they know I know my shit so I've dropped quite a deal of good words about psychedelics to my close friends and they can see the positive change in me and they follow my example (I always do at least a months worth of research before ingesting a substance, any substance) so I've taken a few n00bs and have made them approach psyches in a more respectful, serious way.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: blujay]
    #14506130 - 05/24/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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With cautionary emphasis that it's also a channel you would be better to surf by occasionally and not get stuck on.




Yeah, as Alan Watts said "When you get the message, hang up the phone."

Psychedelics can be pivotal in your development as a person with the right mindset -- They can help you become more creative, reign in your ego, become more empathetic, and shrug off social conditioning...but be easy because HPPD sucks as does taking ten seconds to respond when someone speaks to you. Not everyone comes all the way back, which is fine if you want to be a Shaman but a deal breaker if you have bills to pay. :weirdeyes:

When people who are clearly hostile to the concept ask me about it I take the opportunity to debunk as many retarded myths about psychs as I can hold their attention for -- LSD being stored in your spinal fluid, mushrooms making you trip because they're poisonous, etcetera. If I manage to plant even the smallest seed of doubt about all of that nonsense then that's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. To those who actually want to hear about it I say that I can't properly describe the visual aspects, but that it allows me to step outside of it all for a while and view myself, those around me, and society as an observer rather than a participant, or that if I'm feeling less cerebral I can get my childlike sense of wonder back for a while and go exploring in the woods (often both on the same trip!) I also compare it to a dream in that you can obtain profound, mind blowing insight that you struggle to retain it as you return to normal.

It's a pity that religious people are often the most entrenched against psychedelic drug use because legitimate spiritual experiences are waiting there to be had. :shrug:

1. Take psychedelics
2. Cut out the middle man
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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: owls]
    #14506153 - 05/24/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've more or less stopped trying to describe the psychedelic experience to people who aren't already on board. Preaching makes you look like a drug addict or an idiot in the eyes of people who aren't interested in psychedelics. They simply don't know what they're missing, at all, and they're A-OK with that.

On the other hand, I do have some close friends who are non-trippers with whom I feel comfortable discussing my trips. But again, I stopped going around trying to convince people a long time ago. The vast majority of people are simply not down with it. :shrug:


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14506231 - 05/24/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i tell them straight up that the experience cannot be adequately described in words, that they have to try them to really know. other than that i like to tell them that the main change is a shift in perspective regarding practically everything they are involved in. i also try to stress that its not all about the cascading unicorns with rainbow hair that might show up, that visuals come with experience and higher doses and that the first noticeable effects are more subtle than they will be expecting.

depends on the person though. with jeebus freaks and brick walls i don't bother wasting my breath.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14506259 - 05/24/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I usually talk about DMT, how it completely throws a reality-curveball your way and collapses all your dualism and would seem to suggest, through the mindfuck it engenders, that your experiencing-ness is not dependent upon your physical body.

Sometimes I try to describe the visuals but I don't honestly think the visuals are the most important part of the trip. They're kind of incidental to the stuff I mentioned above. They're absolutely stunningly gorgeous but it's usually hard to describe them in more detail than "kaleidoscopic fractals dude."


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14506274 - 05/24/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I tell them to eat them like skittles.

Especially if they have a family history of schizophrenia.

And that they're only good for getting fucked up.


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14506361 - 05/24/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sometimes I try to describe the visuals but I don't honestly think the visuals are the most important part of the trip. They're kind of incidental to the stuff I mentioned above. They're absolutely stunningly gorgeous but it's usually hard to describe them in more detail than "kaleidoscopic fractals dude."




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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Dr. McNinja]
    #14507096 - 05/24/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Trust me man, I'm at the end of my rope dealing with the general ignorance of the public with psychedelics. 




Yeah, that's pretty much why I never talk about psychedelics around people that don't do them. No point really.

I've come to the realization that most people just need to figure it out for themselves, and if they don't then o well.:shrug:


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Solemente]
    #14507209 - 05/24/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I feel blessed I am not closed off to the psychedelic experience and it's life changing ramifications. I think our world will one day reach a point where we give 18 year olds psychedelics as part of some coming of age ritual or something or the sort. Until then, I feel people out before I go into this stuff. Some people are so irrationally and vehemently against "drugs."


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Solemente]
    #14507334 - 05/24/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Trust me man, I'm at the end of my rope dealing with the general ignorance of the public with psychedelics. 




Yeah, that's pretty much why I never talk about psychedelics around people that don't do them. No point really.

I've come to the realization that most people just need to figure it out for themselves, and if they don't then o well.:shrug:




Yeah the person who introduced me to psychedelics was basically ignorant of what they were and did them cause of the cool visuals and basically everything I know comes from my own experiences and research. Anyone who's gonna be interested in them is gonna find out about them one way or another and take them with or without your help.

I did have an impact on my first roomate in college. He was a big pothead and I told in depth about all my drug experiences and I helped him to understand drugs better, and when he did shrooms for the first time he said it was exactly as how I said it would be and he ended up having an amazing trip even though he went into the middle of downtown DC. D:

Glad I could help someone see the light but now I really dont give a shit about telling anyone anything about psychs cause people just dont understand


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Re: what do you tell people about psychedelics? [Re: Solemente]
    #14507386 - 05/24/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Trust me man, I'm at the end of my rope dealing with the general ignorance of the public with psychedelics. 




Yeah, that's pretty much why I never talk about psychedelics around people that don't do them. No point really.

I've come to the realization that most people just need to figure it out for themselves, and if they don't then o well.:shrug:



Yeah.
There's no use in trying to convert anybody. The only people who should be taking psychedelics are the ones that go out on a limb to learn about them and acquire them and do it responsibly. Anybody that you need to convince or that has no prior interest...Well honestly I'd wait until that person is begging me for a dose before giving it to him.

So what if some idiot thinks LSD makes your brain bleed. He'd love to argue with a dumb druggy with a brain full of holes. He already knows nothing you say is of any value in his mind, so why try? He'll walk away thinking you're a loser no matter what you say. The best thing you can do is keep your mouth shut around those kind of people.


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