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First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!)
    #14503412 - 05/24/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

first of all thanks to the community, especially the mods and of course RR that keep this place going. i couldnt have even begun without the shroomery :laugh:

first time trying tubs, had done lots and lots of pf cakes. ordered a Cambodian syringe from sporedepot (not a sponsor i know, the syringe was subpar and ive learned my lesson). Noced up 10 jars of popcorn and waited several weeks.


cut 8 holes in each tub and covered them with duct tape. Spawned the jars to coir/verm using Damion's Elementary Coir Tek Let the tubs colonize for 13 days till i saw pins. Decided to fruit at 13 days, removed duct tape, stuffed pollyfill, turned a fan on about 10' away and waited. At first i used the overhead CFL lights but then decided to throw a florescent tube over them, dunno what kind..

Some notes : -Pollyfill stuffing is kind of a misnomer, i would call it pollyfill 'placing'. it barely takes any of it to maintain the humidity and too much ruins FAE.
-i had several dead grey spots in my tubs that im pretty sure was caused by early fruiting.
-fan moar.

Some photos :






my haul is from 2 tubs, only took a pic of the 1, i forgot to take anything of the other.

once again, thanks to everyone for helping. it really is a statement of character to help people you dont even know. will try to remember to update with dry weight.
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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: gofudgeyourself]
    #14503418 - 05/24/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wow man nice, how much did all that weigh? looks like quite a bit, I've got my frist set of Pf cakes, cant wait until there fully Colonized there about 50% done so far, and good luck with future grows.


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: gofudgeyourself]
    #14503497 - 05/24/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

good job, keep it up!!! that coir tek works and your yields will increase when you get it down ,but looks good congrats!!!


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    #14503502 - 05/24/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: Eligilbert12]
    #14508581 - 05/25/11 06:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

first flush was about 38g dry. VERY disappointing considering i can flush that easily with half a dozen cakes of EQ. there were TONS of shrooms but they all dried up to little twigs.

not knocking the tek, considering trying again with an EQ clone ive got, its ultra meaty...will have to wait till after the move.

also, attempting a 2nd flush from the tubs but just barely. kind of lethargic after fruiting so many cakes. need a break lol.

so many things ive learned from this first go round...plastic bag liners are ritarded, consolidation is REALLY important and use barely any polyfill.


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: gofudgeyourself]
    #14508789 - 05/25/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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gofudgeyourself said:
first flush was about 38g dry. VERY disappointing considering i can flush that easily with half a dozen cakes of EQ. there were TONS of shrooms but they all dried up to little twigs.

not knocking the tek, considering trying again with an EQ clone ive got, its ultra meaty...will have to wait till after the move.

also, attempting a 2nd flush from the tubs but just barely. kind of lethargic after fruiting so many cakes. need a break lol.

so many things ive learned from this first go round...plastic bag liners are ritarded, consolidation is REALLY important and use barely any polyfill.





Ditch the duck tape for the "incubating stage" on your tubs and stuff with polyfill :thumbup:I have also done Damion's coir Tek and followed everything to a T, including taping my holes, and tying off the whole Monotub in a black trash bag (step 13 in his tek). I was getting crappy yields and getting frustrated, then The IRF threads helped me. Now I pull off bigger yields from my monotubs, and I'm not looking back:rockon: I'm not saying Damion's tek is bad, it's simply to each his own really, I tried it; it wasn't for me (taping holes/tying off into black trash bag). But everything else on there is great information, I love his easy coir tek and it gives results when ditching the tape and step 13 (tying off into a black trash bag) :kenthumbup:

Yeah liners can be a hassle, but they are a necessity for me. They save me from side pinning, and less time cleaning the tub. I double Line mine like Largedose.

A easy way I found how to do it was put your trash bag or BAGS into the tote (like your changing the trash and putting in a new trash bag) then mix your substrate and spawn all together, and you don't have to do this part but I do (I find it helps with even pin sets) Take a level and level out the whole substrate, and get the surface as even as you can. Then take a razor or knife and cut around the substrate and get rid of that extra trash bag. From here you can tape it to the inside walls of your tub if you'd like to, But I don't


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: gofudgeyourself]
    #14508843 - 05/25/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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consolidation is REALLY important and use barely any polyfill.




I don't let my tubs consolidate really :shrug: Once it looks 100% on the surface I go ahead and fruit it (with Coir it seems to never look 100% anyways).

Your correct on using barley any polyfill for the FRUITING stage only. When your in the INCUBATING stage with the tub you want it packed with a "medium tightness".

Hell on the first flush I leave one hole open, and the rest really really really loose, like if you moved the tub it would possibly fall out. This also means you must mist more to keep up the humidity, and while your at it you might as well give it a nice fan! :grin: I mist and fan my tubs 3 times a day (Morning/afternoon/evening and they come out awesome :mushroom2: However on the second flush and so on I plug that empty hole back up.

finding that right poly pack for your environment is Ideal for a good mono :thumbup:
And I'm very interested on your next tub If you do it this way :wink:

You can still use Damions coir tek, just make your monotub's like Large Doses :rockon:Here

I Still Use Damions coir tek, I just prepare my tub like Large Dose. Good luck


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
    #14508980 - 05/25/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't let my tubs consolidate really :shrug: Once it looks 100% on the surface I go ahead and fruit it (with Coir it seems to never look 100% anyways).






I disagree. Consolidation is necessary and will yield you better results. The tub will not fruit until it's completely colonized, so in the end you will be waiting anyways, and will see poorer results.  My tub's surface looked 100% since day 4, yet the bottom and some parts of the middle of the sub were not colonized. If you use a frosting layer, or not (i don't) the top will colonize way quicker than the rest.

I use coir, coffee, verm and gypsum, and the surface looked completely colonized with white fluffy myc within just a few days. I don't know what your talking about saying coir never really looks fully colonized.


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: shroomiin]
    #14509027 - 05/25/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I disagree. Consolidation is necessary and will yield you better results.I don't know what your talking about saying coir never really looks fully colonized.



To each his own I guess, I've never noticed any "Better results" And I use the exact same environment to incubate in as fruiting. I don't use no fancy incubator.

And My coir really never colonizes 100% thick like it does with poo or straw or both really.
It's more of a Thinner covering,( I use eco earth). All my tubs have produced good results without consolidating. all I do is stack em in my room to colonize and fruit like large dose with a couple lights that are on 12/12 and a fan on 24/7, the tubs actually never move unless I go to fan the bottom ones, when the tub looks 100% I just loosen the polyfill on all 5 sides and take one out until flush #2 and so on then I plug it back up . :shrug:

The only tub that did me wrong was this BPK tub and that's because all the stems were hollow so they dried to nothing really. and it was a MS grow


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
    #14509089 - 05/25/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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To each his own I guess, I've never noticed any "Better results" And I use the exact same environment to incubate in as fruiting. I don't use no fancy incubator.

And My coir really never colonizes 100% thick like it does with poo or straw or both really.
It's more of a Thinner covering,( I use eco earth). All my tubs have produced good results without consolidating. all I do is stack em in my room to colonize and fruit like large dose with a couple lights that are on 12/12 and a fan on 24/7, the tubs actually never move unless I go to fan the bottom ones, when the tub looks 100% I just loosen the polyfill on all 5 sides and take one out until flush #2 and so on then I plug it back up . :shrug:

The only tub that did me wrong was this BPK tub and that's because all the stems were hollow so they dried to nothing really. and it was a MS grow




So if the top looks colonized after just a few days youll introduce it to fruiting conditions?

I too colonize in the same environment as fruiting. I dont tape holes or anything, just poly pack and cover with some blankets to keep in some co2. when its time to fruit i turn a fan on, lights on 12/12, and remove the blankets.


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: shroomiin]
    #14509691 - 05/25/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So if the top looks colonized after just a few days youll introduce it to fruiting conditions?



:thumbup: Usually, I use a high spawn ratio about 6-7 quarts for a 66qt bin. I've had speedy colonization from 8 days and others varied to 12-14 days. But after I see every things good to go from the surface I'll loosen poly and introduce FAE and i'll get the same hyphal knots all over like If I would of let it consolidate for an extra 3-4 days.

Everybody has there way, just gotta find it.:shrug: I tested both ways and I always end up with good results. I have a GT clone right now from the shroom in my signature, I already have 7 jars good to spawn to some coir :thumbup: can't wait to see what it yields:mushroom2:.


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
    #14510400 - 05/25/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yea im not trying to bash your methods at all.

Ive never tried introducing fruiting conditions early, or right as the top colonizes.  ive always let it consolidate a little so i wouldnt know the comparative results.

I would assume that the results would be the same because the myc is just going to wait until its ready to fruit regardless.

But, the general consensus around here is that more consolidation = better pinset.

I would like to see a comparison grow, one fruited right at like day 4 or 5 when the surface is fully colonized, and one that is left to colonize for ~12 days (or 4 daysish after it appears to be fully colonized)


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: shroomiin]
    #14510496 - 05/25/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no offense taken man.

What helps my pinset is leveling out my mono's surface and a light casing layer.
I'll be able to do that comparison again as soon as I G2G more jars of this cloned GT :wink: I'll do 2 66qt tubs the same exact way except I'll let one consolidate and I'll fruit and fan the other one when the surface is all white which is usually 8-12 days. I'll let the one consolidate as long as it can until I see hyphal knots everywhere


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: XxT1AlphaxX]
    #14510511 - 05/25/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you really should man. a lot of people would be interested.

If they both yield the same that will be a pretty big deal to some people.


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Re: First Monotub, Summary w/ (pics!) [Re: shroomiin]
    #14536428 - 05/30/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That would be an interesting comparison, as far as taping the holes, the one time I tried it resulted in cobwebs mold.  I know it realistically wasn't the cause, but I figure why fix what isn't broken.


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