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OfflineSolomon Ash
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Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path
    #14503347 - 05/24/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)




Hello Friends,

I just wanted to share this with you so that it is "out there" and I can stay more committed to it.

Today, on the day of my 24th birthday, I am beginning a disciplined spiritual path of psychedelic shamanism.

Basically I will observe a strict dietary regime based on absolutely no alcohol, sweets or sugar foods, fats or butter or meat, with many health foods and supplements added in.

Each morning I will do yoga and do a silent meditation. Each afternoon I will do a chanting mantra meditation and burn incence. Each evening I will study relevant spiritual and psychedelic texts.

I will also each day do one of the p90x workouts, write down my dreams each morning, and keep a journal, and go for a run every 2-3 days (instead of or in addition to a p90x workout)

On weekends I will go the forest and meditate in the woods/hike or canoe.

This will form the basic preperation structure. I will stick to these observances for a minimum of two weeks. After that two weeks I will begin a phase of sexual abstinence (no sex or masturbation or porn) for one full week in addition to the diet requirements.

After this three weeks of purification, I will dose NN-DMT for my first time, in my room, after burning incence and meditating.

I will write down all my experiences with DMT. My aim is to contact a spirit being/alien intelligence for shamanic guidance.

After this I will return to the preperation phase exactly as outlined above. Note that I only remain sexually abstinent for one week out of every three, the week directly before the dose.

With each trip a specific spiritual/shamanic intention will be set. The basic intention will almost always be "to contact a spiritual intelligence/entity for shamanic guidance". When possible, I will communicate with the entity directly and ask it to become my ally or benefactor.

After a further 3 week phase, I will dose magic mushroom tea.  Again, I will write down all my experiences, then go back to the preperation phase.

After three more weeks, I will dose salvia. Write down all experiences. Back to preperation

Three more weeks later, I will dose ecstasy while meditating, chanting and dancing.

Then (3 weeks in between)I will dose 5-meo-dmt

Then (3 weeks) ketamine.

In this way I intend to combine a disciplined spiritual path with exploratory psychedelic shamanism in a way that will enhance both my drug experiences (by ensuring the mental and physical clarity to enjoy them) and my spiritual life (by giving me visions of the spiritual world and access to spiritual realms).

This was inspired partly by reading strassman's new book "inner paths to outer space".

Any thoughts on this idea? anyone else done something similar?


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14503385 - 05/24/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

try natural drugs instead of synthetic or semi synth compounds. whats the point of healthy food if you putting horse tranqs and something mixed up in a backstreet kitchen into your bod? think about it. mahaols


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash] * 1
    #14503396 - 05/24/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

happy birthday dude

i like drugs too


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: shroomzi8]
    #14503516 - 05/24/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"try natural drugs instead of synthetic or semi synth compounds."

Hmm. You may be right. However, I am most excited about the shamanic potential of psychedelic tryptamines such as nn-dmt and 5-meo-dmt. DO you consider those synthetic? They are semi natural in the sense of being endogenous to many plants and animals.

I am also extrememly interested by spiritual experiences I have had while using ketamine...

If I kept it to strictly natural I guess I would be limited to marijuana, mushrooms, salvia and Kratom.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14503581 - 05/24/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

happy golden birthday! good moderation, i hope you accomplish all your goals exactly like u plan to.  just keep doin what ur doin and you will be....golden. :smile:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14503730 - 05/24/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sounds interesting. i would definitely throw a 10 day retreat into the mix.


good luck on your path and report please :smile:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14503735 - 05/24/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Good plan. Do you think it may be a bit controlled? Discipline is nice but what's the point if you're planning so far ahead? They say, a big rock is the sign of not throwing it. It means when you make such a big task, it means you probably won't do it. Telling us won't make a difference brother. No one here will force you to stick with it. It will be your ego in the end that is keeping you to it which isn't the best foundation for a spiritual transition.

Nonetheless, I wish you the best on this. I do agree with the post above about synthetic materials. LSD was a material manifestation of a hallucinogen needed by the societal psyche because of their attachment to the material world. It helped many, many (and continues to today) but plant and mushroom spirit allies have a far more ancient connection the wisdom of truth.

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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14503800 - 05/24/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I look forward to hearing about your trips!


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14503823 - 05/24/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would say that is a lot of work for "shamanic guidance", if you are going thru this routine looking for anwsers I would say that there are easier ways to acquire what you seek.
If you are doing it for the experience then right on.
I'm absolutley sure that it would be a wonderful experience to have.
I think it's great to workout and eat right most of the time, but I usually find if I'm really disciplined I lose momentum eventually if
I don't allow myself some indulgences with diet, excercise, spiritual practices.
That's me and not you, you maybe different, but I can only talk from my experiences.
Good luck :grin:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: MeowMix96] * 2
    #14503915 - 05/24/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't buy the "natural" "unnatural" stuff. Everything is natural, it's all ultimately made up of stardust, just as we are. Human beings, our technology and civilization, are an integral part of nature.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14504206 - 05/24/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I personally believe natural means it is created by nature. Sure we are a part of it but nature isn't stupid enough to create something that destroys it. Nature works based on evolution and adaption not self-satisfaction and addiction. Nature works for the benefit of all whereas humans, who are part of nature don't. This is all collectively speaking.

And for the ketamine and MDMA, I only meant that even though they offer an altered state of mind which can be beneficial to the curious mind to explore new places, it is not usually beneficial to the shamanic healer (in the context of furthering spiritual development) to put harmful substances into the body that do not connect it with a spirit ally. We derive everything from natural sources, no doubt about it. However, we have altered it for the benefit of the self, for greed and for self-satisfaction. This is not the intention of the natural world.

The industrial era hasn't even been around for the smallest fraction of the history of this planet and it's already heading into the extinction era. Certainly, this is not the natural way.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: OneU] * 2
    #14504280 - 05/24/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've had "spiritual" experiences on "unnatural" substances, so from my experience I'd have to disagree with you. The vast majority of psychedelics fall into the two categories: tryptamines and phenethylamines. On a chemical level, interacting with our brain, they are nearly identical and work through the same processes. You could get the same effect from mushrooms if you too synthetic psilocybin. Similarly, all of the 2Cs are chemical cousins of mescaline - all phenethylamines.   

Nature destroys too. It moves towards balance, but that is done within the context of competing organisms. If humans do not find our balance we will be destroyed too - most likely by our own doing. I see it as a mistake to see humans as somehow different from nature. A locust swarm is not a healthy equilibrium, but it is no doubt a part of nature. Everything ultimately comes from the Earth. I think part of this "new age" is the willingness to accept new tools for the 21st century shaman.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14504499 - 05/24/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I definitely agree with the last part but I never said the synthetic substances don't alter your mind similarly or the same. Many people I have known awoke from MDMA or LSD but in my teachings I have found that although a state of 'altered' consciousness can lead to a more observant consciousness, it doesn't necessarily lead you to connect with the lineage of plants.

I'm speaking outside the frames of drugs, I was speaking strictly about spirit allies. When I use a substance, I connect myself with the Spirit of it that is also connected to the Earth through it's ancestral integration. Younger substances, in my experience, have much less to offer me in the direction sought even when I approached them without any judgement or expectations.

I see what you're getting at and I agree with many parts of it but in my experience, it has been a huge difference to merge with one of these medicines through conventional methods than an extracted method. It's not just about causing a chemical reaction in the brain, it's the teachings that being has to teach you which is much more than a simple alkaloid.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: OneU]
    #14504508 - 05/24/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

On a side note, what you are saying makes perfect sense and in a different perspective is valid. I guess I've been in different environments and learned from different people so my filters (beliefs) are set differently than yours.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: OneU]
    #14504654 - 05/24/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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OneU said:
Good plan. Do you think it may be a bit controlled? Discipline is nice but what's the point if you're planning so far ahead? They say, a big rock is the sign of not throwing it. It means when you make such a big task, it means you probably won't do it. Telling us won't make a difference brother. No one here will force you to stick with it. It will be your ego in the end that is keeping you to it which isn't the best foundation for a spiritual transition.




I totally 100% agree with this and find that there is so much truth to it from my personal experiences.

When starting down my path of spirituality and trying to understand and become one with all I found that "regimens" and "making plans and goals" for the future completely goes against all that is. I found through my journey (which I continue to walk on a daily basis) that this is a process of learning to live in the moment, learning to feel your way through your world instead of going about it in a left-brained way of thinking. From my experiences making goals for the future limits your future to the goals you have made, when in reality our true selves are limitless, the possibilities infinite.

Although this is your path, your journey, and most importantly your time to learn from the world I would encourage you to rethink your methods and just go about life one step at a time. Understanding that all that you do was meant to be done and truly learning to just stop in whatever it is you are doing and find that stillness in the breath, letting that inner smile shine outward.

All that being said you will ultimately make the decision that you feel best and I will say that whatever decision you end up making it will be the right decision for you. While we are all here to help one another this journey ultimately comes down to you as an individual, although I can tell you what I think is best I cannot walk in your shoes and therefore do not know what it is that you truly need.

I hope that you find what ever it is that you are seeking. Follow your heart and you will find your way!
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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: don_vedo]
    #14505065 - 05/24/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: OneU]
    #14505167 - 05/24/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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OneU said:
I see what you're getting at and I agree with many parts of it but in my experience, it has been a huge difference to merge with one of these medicines through conventional methods than an extracted method. It's not just about causing a chemical reaction in the brain, it's the teachings that being has to teach you which is much more than a simple alkaloid.




I feel yea man. And I don't mean to dismiss the experience as just some chemical reaction the brain. It's so much more than that. :cool:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: don_vedo]
    #14507241 - 05/24/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've very interested to hear about your experiences. I look forward to reading about them.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14507372 - 05/24/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ketamine and ecstasy are NOT psychedelics!!! I know people will argue that ecstasy is, but really, all it does is gives you a sense of euphoria and a sense of empathy. It does not get you digging deep into your mind like shrooms or LSD does.

ketamine is a dissociative.

Other than that...man I wish I had your discipline!


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14507450 - 05/24/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Keep in mind, drugs effect everyone differently. Being an introspective person, marijuana is a psychedelic to me.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14508185 - 05/25/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If I kept it to strictly natural I guess I would be limited to marijuana, mushrooms, salvia and Kratom. ...quote.

sna pedro
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(any of the mescaline cacti)
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in fact.....here. (thanks wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychedelic_plants

mahalos and good luck.!


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: shroomzi8]
    #14517829 - 05/26/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you all very much for your insights, advice, support and comments.

I think I will stick more or less with the routine as planned here, although I might mix up the order of the substances I use.

I think that although MDMA and ketamine are not "natural" drugs, they still have valid shamanic uses if done correctly with the right set, setting and activities.

Perhaps I will switch intentions for some drugs. So instead of the intention "I intend to contact a spirit ally" for MDMA I will say "I intend to open my heart chakra"

and then I will chant a compassionate or love-focused mantra while meditating on the E, maybe do some sacred dancing.

And with ketamine I will probably choose "i intend to astral project" or "I intend to have an out-of-body experience" and then meditate on my third eye in lotus position. Last time I did this I had AMAZING results.

However, I also took into consideration the advice about adding more natural substances.

Sadly, I don't have access to mescaline or ayahuasca.

However, I did place an order for the following legal shamanic plants

Wild Lettuce Resin (Lactuca virosa)
Wild Dagga Flowers (Lion's Tail) - 14 grams
HB Woodrose Seeds (Hawaii)
Kanna - Powdered 5:1 Extract
Mahakea Kona Kava Root
Betel Nut Crushed Seeds
Blue Lotus Stamens (Nelumbo Nucifera)
and Kratom 100 grams

I Plan to integrate these plants into my routine.

Tomorrow is the official first day of this path. I will keep you all posted on my experiences and especially the various ceremonies, rituals and trips I undergo.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14518385 - 05/26/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Happy birthday man. This sounds like it can provide you much learning, because although I agree with what other people siad about letting go of trying to plan and control and just work your way through in the moment. You can greatly benefit by putting your mind to something and sticking with it especially when alll these things are beneficial to you. I'm sure these experiences will server you well through your dedication and proper respect and intention given. You seem to have your heart in it. Why only go 1 week out of 3 with the sexual abstinence....I find that when i transmute that energy i'm much more charged in the higher chakras. But 1 week is certainly more realistic and i guess if you want to stick completely to your plan thats the way to go. But I really notice a difference abstaining.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash] * 1
    #14518457 - 05/26/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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After this three weeks of purification, I will dose NN-DMT for my first time, in my room, after burning incence and meditating.




And when you're done with the trip, you will look back and laugh at all the silly stuff you did in preparation.
You're dressing up real nice but you will be the only one attending the party.

:bigjoint:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: shroomzi8]
    #14518492 - 05/26/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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shroomzi8 said:
try natural drugs instead of synthetic or semi synth compounds. whats the point of healthy food if you putting horse tranqs and something mixed up in a backstreet kitchen into your bod? think about it. mahaols




wise words..... a psychedelic shaman? just dont hurt yourself. alot can happen when doing different shit like that over a long period of time. im not the one to talk. just sayin be careful. i hope you come out of this with a new mind set :smile:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: weshroom]
    #14533539 - 05/29/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Why only go 1 week out of 3 with the sexual abstinence....I find that when i transmute that energy i'm much more charged in the higher chakras. But 1 week is certainly more realistic and i guess if you want to stick completely to your plan thats the way to go. But I really notice a difference abstaining.




I agree 100%

Abstaining is sometimes difficult, but when I pass the thoughts and address the cravings I find that I am opened in a different way.


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14534266 - 05/30/11 02:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've had "spiritual" experiences on "unnatural" substances, so from my experience I'd have to disagree with you. The vast majority of psychedelics fall into the two categories: tryptamines and phenethylamines. On a chemical level, interacting with our brain, they are nearly identical and work through the same processes. You could get the same effect from mushrooms if you too synthetic psilocybin. Similarly, all of the 2Cs are chemical cousins of mescaline - all phenethylamines.   

Nature destroys too. It moves towards balance, but that is done within the context of competing organisms. If humans do not find our balance we will be destroyed too - most likely by our own doing. I see it as a mistake to see humans as somehow different from nature. A locust swarm is not a healthy equilibrium, but it is no doubt a part of nature. Everything ultimately comes from the Earth. I think part of this "new age" is the willingness to accept new tools for the 21st century shaman.




QFT.  :thumbup:

Your mindset going into a trip can significantly affect the trip itself.  In this manner, going into a trip on "natural" entheogens like magic mushrooms or ayahuasca with the preconceived notion that it will be more spiritual/has a deeper connection to Gaia/etcetera can help produce these effects: like RA Wilson says, "what the thinker thinks, the prover proves."  I've had just as, if not more than, spiritual experiences on synthetic or semi-synthetic entheogenic chemicals like LSD, extracted DMT, and Ketmaine than I have had on natural substances.

@OP: sounds like a great healthy regimen, dude.  Good luck!  :peace:


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Re: Beginning a new Shamanic-Drug Use Path [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #18086292 - 04/10/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Not sure if you'll read this but I agree with your opinion on synthetic shamanic use of substances to some extent... MDMA certainly helped open my heart chakra but it was short-lived as I slowly started to abuse it taking it every other weekend and it totally drained my life force. Its certainly something that should be approached with caution and respect... It was a good lesson to learn anyway and I know I won't go that far ever again.

This study is really fascinating http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v04n2/04225men.html

I am going to birth a deerskin drum in a months time. Shamans journey to the spirit world through their heart, so it seems as though MDMA may increase the awareness of journeying. I am tempted to try ingesting very small amounts once I have birthed my drum but id rather stick to raw natural substances really.

I think in this day and age when one doesn't have access to a shaman to teach them or the time/money to devote themselves to the extreme lifestyle then experimentation through experience is the key to mastering subconscious. I personally think MDMA must have a spirit which can be harnessed as a powerful plant teacher ally if used spiritually like you were planning to.

I experienced a very intense OBE combining MDMA, liberty caps and a balloon of nitrous oxide. I saw my higher-self made of light suspended in space. My higher-self suddenly exploded and I was dragged at the speed of light through the universe. I came to earth and witnessed evolution in a blink of an eye and then fell to earth where I was being hunted by what seemed to be dinosaurs but looking back I feel as though this was a symbol of fear and death. On a separate occasion on the same substances I had a vision in the center of my vision of the fractal in my avatar, though it was mirrored like roots and branches with leaves on it. I swear I had never seen this fractal before in my life but it reminded me of the woven celtic symbol of the tree of life. I believe this symbol I saw was the shamanic entrance of the upper and lower world. It was the most beautiful thing iv ever seen and someone on here had seen a similar tree fractal after smoking salvia. 

What concerns me more than anything is the production of MDMA and how it is deforesting the safrole at such a rate it is threatening the extinction of the tree. The main aspect of shamanism is respect towards nature, so surly this process is going against everything about shamanism. If these drugs were legal and produced sustainably then perhaps they may be worthy of integrating into modern day shamanic healing techniques. I am all for exploration though, as long as you take care of your body and dose responsibly it can't be worse than alcohol or tobacco consumption health-wise.

My fantasy is that one day science will merge with shamanism and will unlock many new entheogenic plants and chemical combinations that will transform our belief systems to such an extent the whole world will one day breakthrough and turn to both neoshamanic and traditional shamanic practices. Well I like to think that is where we are heading...


Edited by leafylassy (04/10/13 03:09 PM)


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