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InvisibleXlea321
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Liberation or media stunt?
    #1450319 - 04/11/03 05:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1450360 - 04/11/03 06:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

haha. and the conservatives here bought it.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: ]
    #1450385 - 04/11/03 06:23 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry, but a blurry photo doesn't prove much of anything. I have no idea when that top photo was taken.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1450387 - 04/11/03 06:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

At least someone read through the page.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: ]
    #1450402 - 04/11/03 06:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Someone bought something....



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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1450460 - 04/11/03 07:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

someone posted this in that forum. i thought it was pretty good...

"The media's like any other big company selling a product. They have to cater to the preferences of the consumer to get the most market share. The majority of US citizens want to hear good news about this war because they know deep down that all "preemptive" military action is simply motivated aggression (more about the motive below). How much market share do you think a TV station's going to get when it casts doubt on the war? It'll be labelled "leftist" or "unpatriotic" or whatever, and worse - it'll be cut off from the controlled leak system that provides them with most of their "inside" info (seriously, has anyone ever been punished for leaking government info to the media?). Randolph Hearst said it best (and he should know) - "All news is something that someone is trying to hide, the rest is advertising."

Anyone repeating the spin about regime change and Saddam being evil has to admit that if that's honestly the real deal then we'll be engaged for a few decades removing all the evil regimes. God help us when it comes time to attack the ones with nukes. The fact that Saddam's a prick and deserves what he's getting is a fortunate coincidence. Remeber there was a time when he was our prick. His real mistake was biting the hand that fed him. Let's be honest with ourselves and start dealing with the reality. Control Iraq and you control 25% of the oil. Europe and Japan misbehave? Lower the supply. Middle East misbehaves? Raise the supply. Simple realpolitik and exactly the way to do it to ensure US dominance of the world. The trick is to remember to conduct the follow-up PR campaign to placate everyone we pissed off. No point having an empire if the serfs go on strike. And don't be dull and think of empire in old fashioned Roman or English terms. The US empire is a lot more subtle.... and a lot more dangerous. It's the only one in history so far with the power to take everyone with it when it falls."


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450488 - 04/11/03 07:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i'm not sure what the missing people in blue are supposed to be about. they're like, "ha! it's propaganda! you see! they tried to make it look like a big rally when it was really a small one!" and then with the blue people there, "ha! propaganda i tell you! look at all the people they left out!" maybe i'm missing something.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: ]
    #1450502 - 04/11/03 07:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It is about proving that the origonal pic was not at the time it was made out to be at, or was manipulated.

IOW Maybe the pic was taken after they all followed the statue head down the street or it is a chop.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450528 - 04/11/03 07:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

ah i see... that first pic seems to be later in the day also. it could have been taken a few hours after the pulling down of the statue.

it really proves nothing except the eagerness of some to believe that which they rather were true.



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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: ]
    #1451521 - 04/12/03 02:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Still doesn't look like anymore people than were flown in from Washington the previous week.

Certainly not what you'd call spontaneous is it. There's hardly anyone there.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1451570 - 04/12/03 02:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Thats really interesting Alex, I want to add that either of the two shots show a pretty bad turnout for a liberated city of 5.4 million. Whether its 200 or 2000 its a shitty turnout. The other nite I was watching Faux News, and the reporter in the US asked the reporter in Bagdhad about all the celebration. The one in Baghdad said that he was only seeing very small "pockets" of jubilation, and it was not a widespread event involving thousands, and this was on FAUX news. I couldnt believe my ears!


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1451655 - 04/11/03 08:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If you had been watching the actual thing live, you would have seen all the crowd shifting they were doing and how CNN was showing it super upclose, while the BBC was showing a more zoomed out picture of very few people. Alot of those picture were during little breaks in activity.. the toppling of this statue actually took about an hour. They moved the crowd around the thing several times.

It was like two different versions of the news. Unreal.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1451981 - 04/12/03 11:09 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Cmon it isn't like they had weeks to plan and send out e-mail to all of Baghdad to get a big crowd together like the anti-war protests did. This was spur of the moment and many are just staying at home. That original picture and accompanying text was meant to be misleading .


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1451996 - 04/12/03 11:20 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Even I bought it. I was still sceptic about this war but I thought: well at least some are happy.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: zeronio]
    #1452509 - 04/12/03 02:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hard not to buy it when the mainstream media is so subservient to it's masters. Even i was so shocked at how blatantly cynical it was - flying them in from Washington the week before. Christ - that really is as low as it gets.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1452575 - 04/12/03 03:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

By masters I hope you mean $$$$$$$$$$$$$ because that is the highest god in America.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1452968 - 04/12/03 05:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Money is the highest god in america.


Oh woe, what false hopes we place in the name of faith.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1453040 - 04/12/03 06:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Is that a disagreement?


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1453068 - 04/12/03 06:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's blasphemy.

I never said it wasnt true. But its not my god nor many other decent americans'.


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Re: Liberation or media stunt? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1453103 - 04/12/03 06:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Only if you believe.


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