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Different Parts of the Human Mind
    #14502887 - 05/24/11 04:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can you guys help me with this, and perhaps tell me where I'm right/wrong?

The words that come to mind are:

conscious mind/consciousness
unconscious mind
conditioned mind
subtle mind (Buddhism)
subconscious
conscience
ego
super-ego
soul
id

The way I see it, they can be grouped as follows:

1.  consciousness
    a.  conscious mind
        i.  soul/subtle mind
    b.  unconscious mind/subconscious
        i.  ego/conditioned mind
        ii.  id
        iii.  super-ego/conscience

As far as I understand it, this is how I would define each of the 4 main parts:

1.  soul:  The observer/the watcher/the spirit/subtle mind/atman...etc.

2.  ego:  The conditioned mind, the part of the mind that identifies with the physical world and physical body.  One's "sense of self."

3.  id:  The inate desire to satisfy the needs of the body.  I'm not sure whether or not this would be a part of the ego, or a characteristic of the soul.  What do you think?

4.  super-ego:  One's conscience, "critic," sense of right and wrong.  Monitors the actions of the ego and keeps things in check.

I have learned in my time here that it is very important for there to be a balance between each of these parts of the mind.  Each must respect the other and satisfy each other's needs/desires in order for there to be peace of mind.  Is there anything that I'm missing, or that you think is wrong with this view?


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Re: Different Parts of the Human Mind [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14502914 - 05/24/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm... after thinking about it I would definitely say that the id is a characteristic of the soul, or that they are one in the same.  Within the id is the libido, the instinctive drive to create.  To me, that is a definite soul quality.

"The ego is that part of the id which has been modified by the direct influence of the external world ... The ego represents what may be called reason and common sense, in contrast to the id, which contains the passions."

"In its relation to the id it is like a man on horseback, who has to hold in check the superior strength of the horse; with this difference, that the rider tries to do so with his own strength, while the ego uses borrowed forces."  Still worse, "it serves three severe masters...the external world, the super-ego and the id."

"Its task is to find a balance between primitive drives and reality while satisfying the id and super-ego. Its main concern is with the individual's safety and allows some of the id's desires to be expressed, but only when consequences of these actions are marginal."

"Thus the ego, driven by the id, confined by the super-ego, repulsed by reality, struggles... in bringing about harmony among the forces and influences working in and upon it," and readily "breaks out in anxiety — realistic anxiety regarding the external world, moral anxiety regarding the super-ego, and neurotic anxiety regarding the strength of the passions in the id."

"It has to do its best to suit all three, thus is constantly feeling hemmed by the danger of causing discontent on two other sides. It is said, however, that the ego seems to be more loyal to the id, preferring to gloss over the finer details of reality to minimize conflicts while pretending to have a regard for reality. But the super-ego is constantly watching every one of the ego's moves and punishes it with feelings of guilt, anxiety, and inferiority."


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Re: Different Parts of the Human Mind [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14505665 - 05/24/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Shrooomtastic said:
Can you guys help me with this, and perhaps tell me where I'm right/wrong?

The words that come to mind are:

conscious mind/consciousness
unconscious mind
conditioned mind
subtle mind (Buddhism)
subconscious
conscience
ego
super-ego
soul
id


There is no evidence for the existence of souls.


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Shrooomtastic said:
The way I see it, they can be grouped as follows:

1.  consciousness
    a.  conscious mind
        i.  soul/subtle mind


What is the "subtle mind", and why are you equating it with "soul"?


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Shrooomtastic said:
    b.  unconscious mind/subconscious
        i.  ego/conditioned mind
        ii.  id
        iii.  super-ego/conscience

As far as I understand it, this is how I would define each of the 4 main parts:

1.  soul:  The observer/the watcher/the spirit/subtle mind/atman...etc.


There is no evidence for the existence of souls/spirits..the observer/watcher doesn't necessarily have to be a soul/spirit.


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I have learned in my time here that it is very important for there to be a balance between each of these parts of the mind.  Each must respect the other and satisfy each other's needs/desires in order for there to be peace of mind.  Is there anything that I'm missing, or that you think is wrong with this view?


There is no need to include souls/spirits in this view..besides that, I don't really disagree with much.


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Hmm... after thinking about it I would definitely say that the id is a characteristic of the soul, or that they are one in the same.  Within the id is the libido, the instinctive drive to create.  To me, that is a definite soul quality.


There is no reason to believe that quality is evidence for the existence of souls. :whoyougonnacall:


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Re: Different Parts of the Human Mind [Re: Poid]
    #14506178 - 05/24/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol well technically there is no scientific proof for the existence of the ego, id, or superego either!

If you don't like the word or concept of soul, then how about the concept of the subtle mind in Buddhism?  The subtle mind is supposedly the more raw, sensitive state of mind/being that exists underneath the layers of the ego.  This state of mind is more aware and sensitive to subtler realities of existence and thought, as well as more to subtle sensations running throughout the body.  In my view, I would definitely equate the subtle mind to "the soul," or inner child, and so do many other Buddhist practitioners I have met.


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