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Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? * 2
    #14502732 - 05/24/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like I'm addicted to it :shrug: Say I have a random stash of drugs (including all recreational classes) I can abstain from anything in the stash apart from the weedz. I'd compulsively smoke it as soon as I wake up. Everything else will be in place for months but the weed will disappear in several days. I won't feel particularly shitty after heavy use, maybe feel a bit less hungry and agitated but thats all.

But if I happen to see a picture of a rolled joint


or just smell them budz I'd find it very hard not to smoke some provided there's any available.

I'm not complaining or anything, its not a problem most of the times but I've heard so many times people saying that weed is non-addictive. The most hardcore users I know would get offended if I tell them they're addicted, but if they go without weed for a whole fucking day then they wont stop complaining about it :dudewtf:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty] * 2
    #14502735 - 05/24/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Because they mean physically addictive. You don't go into withdrawal like heroin if you cease use.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #14502736 - 05/24/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its just weed dude


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14502738 - 05/24/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I go cranky and I miss a night of sleep (like yesterday) if I don't smoke and I smoke daily :lol: . It's definetly addictive :shrug: or habit-forming whatever they call it it's all the same.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: s240779] * 3
    #14502741 - 05/24/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Because they mean physically addictive. You don't go into withdrawal like heroin if you cease use.



uhm no they dont. They mean its totally non-addictive and safe which is bs imo.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty] * 3
    #14502750 - 05/24/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I do believe theres a 200 page thread on this in the psychedelic forum, or ODD. Either way shits addictive, I know I will smoke my stash compulsively till its gone then Ill scrap my pieces and raid the hidden stash of the stash I had and Snoop around the house looking for the stash's I hid when I was so fucking blitzed I knew I wouldnt remember hiding them, but when I know its good as gone the craving disappears.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14502753 - 05/24/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lolsy: something like that, yes


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14502758 - 05/24/11 03:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm getting a job very soon...As soon as I think I can pass a drug test.  I've gone from smoking every day to not smoking for a good while with no problem, several times.  I admit there are times I would like some weed, but I don't think it is hard not to smoke. 

I'll admit, I probably drink instead, haha.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14502759 - 05/24/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Because it's not addictive. A person can become addicted to just about anything: the internet, chocolate, carbs, WoW, smelling their own farts. With prolonged habitual use a person can develop psychological dependency on all sorts of things. But it's misleading to classify those things as addictive.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14502761 - 05/24/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Addicts and alcoholics go to meetings.

I'm just a drunk stoner.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14502762 - 05/24/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Addiction- The fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity



Weed, addictive. Saying its not, Lies. Now STFU and smoke some weed :awehigh:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14502769 - 05/24/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Addiction- The fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity



Weed, addictive. Saying its not, Lies. Now STFU and smoke some weed :awehigh:




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14502771 - 05/24/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ad·dict·ed/əˈdiktid/Adjective
1. Physically and mentally dependent on a particular substance, and unable to stop taking it

ad·dic·tion noun \ə-ˈdik-shən, a-\
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: the quality or state of being addicted <addiction to reading>
2
: compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: F0SS1L]
    #14502773 - 05/24/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Because it's not addictive. A person can become addicted to just about anything: the internet, chocolate, carbs, WoW, smelling their own farts. With prolonged habitual use a person can develop psychological dependency on all sorts of things. But it's misleading to classify those things as addictive.



:albundy: you're right about one thing though, internet (by which I mean shroomery) is addictive :yesnod:

But comparing weed addiction to chocolate addiction... :dudewtf:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14502775 - 05/24/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think its addictive, not like H or Morphein but like lollys or hunting :shrug:


I would like to do it, but when i cant its not the end of the world.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14502944 - 05/24/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Say I have a random stash of drugs (including all recreational classes) I can abstain from anything in the stash apart from the weedz. I'd compulsively smoke it as soon as I wake up. Everything else will be in place for months but the weed will disappear in several days. :dudewtf:




Cause weed is just some "background shit". You can smoke it and continue to function and get shit done. If I were to wake up and hit some lsd, I doubt I'd be doing the washing.

It enhances living (arguably) but you get into the habit of smoking daily because its something to do/entertainment. Then when you quit, you find it hard to have fun when you arnt stoned. I dunno, I can see how people can argue both ways. I can smoke heavily for a month, clear out my stash and then abstain for a month. You just have to figure out what you did for fun before you smoked weed 24/7


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mrckb]
    #14502963 - 05/24/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing. I used to feel shitty about life :ohwell: And then I found out about drugs and thangs :awesome:

The thing is I have to smoke heavily before it gets a minor background shit. The other day I smoked 1/4th of 150mg chunk of skunk#1 and couldnt get shit done for 6 hours. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the herb but it messes up with my clear thinking.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503021 - 05/24/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think it has something to do with the fact that you can stop whenever you want and there's no withdrawal symptoms.  Not everyone is an all day every day smoker you know.  As mentioned above, anything you enjoy can become a habit but a habit is not an addiction.  I'm more "addicted" to the internet than marijuana by far. I know I'm not going to have money for weed for a week or two and that's fine with me.  :shrug:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14503027 - 05/24/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would smoke all day on week ends. If i have weed.
The good thing is that it only takes a pea sized nug to get me Deeply Spaced for about 4 hours...
If you think it will affect your health having this "addiction* (habbit) Eat the damn stuff, Im sure weed is 100% healthy when eaten


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14503041 - 05/24/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You just have to find something to do to quit. A bobby.  I just quit for 5 days. I have smoked for 10 years. Ya I am more tend to get pissed off and theres a sense of boredom but I did it.  Its mind over matter.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Locky]
    #14503045 - 05/24/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im sure weed is 100% healthy when eaten



Well, you're wrong since you have little to no idea what it does to your endocannabinoid system. Also there are withdrawal symptoms but they are manageable. A lot of people I know feel pretty bad if they go 1 day without smoking.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503052 - 05/24/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

endocannabinoid system



Ill look into that :thumbup:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Locky]
    #14503055 - 05/24/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hmmm interesting


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Locky]
    #14503060 - 05/24/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



watch this


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503099 - 05/24/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well that explains all the fat stoners :lol:

But really, Thats interesting. Cronic use of thc is bad,
Its a good thing i dont smoke , or eat brownies daily.....

Now i can see why daily use is not healthy, thanks for that


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Locky]
    #14503149 - 05/24/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

weed is the most addictive drug to me. I have tried them all, but weed is the only one that keeps me coming back again and again. It doesn't make me a lazy fatass, though


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14503160 - 05/24/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I love weed and try to smoke it every day. I don't consider myself addicted tho, because I can skip it for a week and it doesn't bother me one bit.

I love coffee and nicotine, but if I skip 12 hours of doing either I freak out and start acting like a crack head. I will not stop until I get some because I feel like shit without it.

Now that's addiction.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Kada]
    #14503202 - 05/24/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I love weed and try to smoke it every day. I don't consider myself addicted tho, because I can skip it for a week and it doesn't bother me one bit.

I love coffee and nicotine, but if I skip 12 hours of doing either I freak out and start acting like a crack head. I will not stop until I get some because I feel like shit without it.

Now that's addiction.




This.  I find it hard to believe anyone that says that marijuana is addictive has ever been physically addicted to a drug.

http://youtu.be/4Vpin9VhNck


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14503204 - 05/24/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have been physically addicted to many drugs, including xanax, alcohol, and opiates. I feel that physical addiction is  a tiny component of my drug habit. When I am coming off the drug, it is much easier for me to cope with feeling physically bad, knowing I will soon recover, than it is to cope with the idea of not using again.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14503208 - 05/24/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I am addicted to weed like I'm addicted to taco bell.



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503531 - 05/24/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

some people can develop some seriously chronic weed smoking habits.  I've seen a few friends who pretty much couldn't live without weed.  couldn't go a few hours without smoking, let alone a whole day without it.  and they would get super irritable, pissy and even go into a panic when they ran out of bud and couldn't get in touch with any dealers.

I don't get it though.  I love weed but i rarely ever seek it out.  i smoke when its around and maybe like 2-4 times a year I'll buy a little bit.  Its something i can do with or without.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: BoneMan]
    #14503669 - 05/24/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm the same as most daily users, if I have the shit, its getting smoked. Its almost impossible for me to have weed in my possession and go an entire day without using it. I just got some dank last night, but this thread has inspired me to try to abstain from using every single day.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: BoneMan]
    #14503708 - 05/24/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't get it. I have physiological symptoms everytime I try to quit. Can't sleep, appetite sucks, cranky...bored lol. I may not be itchin or out robbing people for a fix, but I'm definitely a weed addict.

Don't compare it to being addicted to the internet please. I'm on there every day and can easily step away for a week and not give a shit. That won't happen with sweet jane.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: The Todd]
    #14503740 - 05/24/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Try endocannabinoid reuptake inhibitors the next time you get crankey. The easiest one to obtain is paracetamol. Actually it gets conjugated to a long unsaturated hydrocarbon very similar in shape to endocannabinoids and this metabolite blocks the reuptake of stuff like 2-AG etc from the synaptic cleft. Its one of the reasons why paracetamol is an analgesic.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14503774 - 05/24/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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weed is the most addictive drug to me. I have tried them all, but weed is the only one that keeps me coming back again and again. It doesn't make me a lazy fatass, though




Yep, same here.

The only drug I can't control my usage is weed. I can stop popping my X pills before I can stop smoking all my weed.... and that says something for me!


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503792 - 05/24/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Try endocannabinoid reuptake inhibitors the next time you get crankey. The easiest one to obtain is paracetamol. Actually it gets conjugated to a long unsaturated hydrocarbon very similar in shape to endocannabinoids and this metabolite blocks the reuptake of stuff like 2-AG etc from the synaptic cleft. Its one of the reasons why paracetamol is an analgesic.





Interesting... I just "quit" after 15 years+ of daily wake n bake followed by all-day smoking. I had severe withdrawal, had the shits for about a week, felt too sick to eat and wouldn't have slept without a diazepam script or 2 and plenty of codeine. And booze. Yikes.

Been about 5 weeks now, I've smoked 3 times in that period and now finding it pretty easy to go without and not think about it.

Definitely is addictive though, and withdrawal will vary from individual to individual as with everything. I know it's not as bad as opiate or benzo withdrawal but it's unpleasant enough to make the prospect of quitting a scary/difficult one.

..... But if I can do it anyone can, just takes a lot of effort and/or some kind of replacement for a few days.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14503806 - 05/24/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

anything will create a mental addiction if it provides comfort and nostalgia like weed does for a lot of us who have used it as a coping mechanism in the past (coping with insomnia, anxiety, wanting to relax). 

I've smoked weed for years but if i dont have it for 4 days, it's not all that noticeable other than im not high.

If I do Heroin for 4 days then dont have it for 1 day I'm stuck throwing up in the toilet for a day.

I guess it's more accurate to say weed isn't physically addictive.

*if you say differently, consider your personal health and the discomfort you might have because of bad health.  Weed could just be masking up these feelings, so when you dont have it you feel the effects of over eating for example.

not saying this IS the reason, but I normally eat unusually sugary food when im high.  If you eat donuts all the time and you stop smoking weed and have chest pains...


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14503809 - 05/24/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ive been smoking weed daily for 9 years with some breaks in there,

When I dont smoke do I get cranky and wish I had weed fuck yeah.

I do have trouble sleeping headaches and things for about a week or two.

Well I have trouble sleeping no mater what.

Compare that to detoxing on a greyhood bus from a heroin addiction going from Seattle to Detroit.

I lost around 15 pounds in 7 days and dont think I ate the whole time.

I have an addictive personality and I would rather smoke weed every day.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: trekie]
    #14503835 - 05/24/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

weed pretty much gets rid of stress, so a person who smokes all the time isnt going to be used to stressful situations.

Stress can do weird things to your body, including making you lose your appetite and not be able to sleep.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: s240779]
    #14503851 - 05/24/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Because they mean physically addictive. You don't go into withdrawal like heroin if you cease use.



This is the common argument i hear.  Two things that will destroy this argument:  Cocaine has no physical withdrawal.  The brain is part of your body, therefore any "psychological" drug addiction is a physical addiction.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503873 - 05/24/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im sure weed is 100% healthy when eaten



Well, you're wrong since you have little to no idea what it does to your endocannabinoid system. Also there are withdrawal symptoms but they are manageable. A lot of people I know feel pretty bad if they go 1 day without smoking.



Weed was the hardest thing for me to abstain from, harder than cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs, coke, caffeine.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #14503879 - 05/24/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not saying this IS the reason, but I normally eat unusually sugary food when im high.



Yup, it will do that. Its telling you that you need to intake energy (stored in sugary molecules... :homerdrool:) when in fact you dont need it. It will make your liver produce fatty acids which are generally bad for you and your heart.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14503883 - 05/24/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

scientists did know that the brain is in fact an organ in the human body when they coined the two terms.

*sorry, apparently you have mush instead of brains, so you are the exception


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    #14503922 - 05/24/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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scientists did know that the brain is in fact an organ in the human body when they coined the two terms.

*sorry, apparently you have mush instead of brains, so you are the exception



Getting all defensive because im attacking your lord and savior marijuana.  Get over it, just the facts mam.  Marijuana does show symptoms of physical withdrawal after abstaining.


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    #14503945 - 05/24/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This is another one of the basic questions I get regarding addiction.

It seems that people think about physical addiction and psychological addiction as somehow separate processes. I think this distinction makes no sense. Even if people really meant what they were saying, the brain is undoubtedly part of the body, and therefore, psychological addictions are also physical.




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14503948 - 05/24/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I could say I'm addicted to weed... But it would be very easy for me not to smoke it.

I only smoke in the evening when I know i'll be gonna to sleep in a few hours. I dislike smoking during the day cause I leaves me lethargic when the buzz comes down... + I would feel guilty of being high an entire day...


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14503958 - 05/24/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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scientists did know that the brain is in fact an organ in the human body when they coined the two terms.

*sorry, apparently you have mush instead of brains, so you are the exception



Getting all defensive because im attacking your lord and savior marijuana.  Get over it, just the facts mam.  Marijuana does show symptoms of physical withdrawal after abstaining.



whoa bro, hey bro, I just said you had mush for brains because your name is mush 4 brains bro.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Patlal]
    #14503965 - 05/24/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'm so addicted to marijuana, i think i'll shoot some up rihgt now


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: AgingHippy]
    #14503967 - 05/24/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Like I always say in these threads:  Physical withdrawal is only ONE characteristic of a medical diagnosis of "substance dependence".

You can have dependence without physical withdrawal, and vice versa.  "Physical addiction" isn't a clinically used term, and not used by professionals in the field.  Technically, its not even a real definition.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14503971 - 05/24/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I feel like I'm addicted to it :shrug: Say I have a random stash of drugs (including all recreational classes) I can abstain from anything in the stash apart from the weedz. I'd compulsively smoke it as soon as I wake up. Everything else will be in place for months but the weed will disappear in several days. I won't feel particularly shitty after heavy use, maybe feel a bit less hungry and agitated but thats all.

But if I happen to see a picture of a rolled joint


or just smell them budz I'd find it very hard not to smoke some provided there's any available.

I'm not complaining or anything, its not a problem most of the times but I've heard so many times people saying that weed is non-addictive. The most hardcore users I know would get offended if I tell them they're addicted, but if they go without weed for a whole fucking day then they wont stop complaining about it :dudewtf:




it's not addictive. it can be habit forming and you can let it consume your time, but i don't see it being addictive as a possibility unless a user isn't very emotionally developed perhaps


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14503980 - 05/24/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's total bullshit. I've smoked dank ass pot multiple times a day every day for years and "quit" 'cold turkey' with no problem.

Yeah you have a psychological addiction, so your mind tricks your body into thinking you need it, but you don't.

We aren't talking about a heroin or nicotine or caffeine addiction here, where there are actual physical withdrawal symptoms that suck ass. We are talking about minor fucking inconveniences that are all in your head to begin with. 

You can get mentally addicted to fucking anything. I have seen it. Weed is no exception, neither are video games.
Marijuana is not physically dependent or physically habit forming.  At all. It's all in your head.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: owls]
    #14503983 - 05/24/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Technically a habit is an addiction.

It's not addictive in the sense of physically addictive.  Your body won't have withdrawals from it the way you would say booze or heroin.  You might get a little ornary because you aren't mentally in the same place, but your physical body isn't going to go into conniption fits.

So Yes you can be 'addicted' to it, though that's more to do with how weak or strong of a person you are.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14503985 - 05/24/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's total bullshit. I've smoked dank ass pot multiple times a day every day for years and "quit" 'cold turkey' with no problem.

Yeah you have a psychological addiction, so your mind tricks your body into thinking you need it, but you don't.

We aren't talking about a heroin or nicotine or caffeine addiction here, where there are actual physical withdrawal symptoms that suck ass. We are talking about minor fucking inconveniences that are all in your head to begin with. 

You can get mentally addicted to fucking anything. I have seen it. Weed is no exception, neither are video games.
Marijuana is not physically dependent or physically habit forming.  At all. It's all in your head.




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Maverick]
    #14503992 - 05/24/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Technically a habit is an addiction.

It's not addictive in the sense of physically addictive.  Your body won't have withdrawals from it the way you would say booze or heroin.  You might get a little ornary because you aren't mentally in the same place, but your physical body isn't going to go into conniption fits.

So Yes you can be 'addicted' to it, though that's more to do with how weak or strong of a person you are.




well for me, i could take it or leave and be just as happy with or without it. because i appreciate and respect it for what it is and i appreciate any time without it just as much as i appreciate being able to partake of some beautiful cannabis


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    #14503993 - 05/24/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There are documented physical changes that occur from withdrawal of THC and marijuana.  Changes in sleep activity, cannabinoid receptor density etc.


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    #14503997 - 05/24/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It changes receptor density and metabolic function all over your body and the last time I checked both receptors and metabolism are physical entities. JWH would be a better example though, since its a full agonist of the cannabinoid receptor.


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    #14504001 - 05/24/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Damn badchad beat me to it.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14504004 - 05/24/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Because they mean physically addictive. You don't go into withdrawal like heroin if you cease use.



uhm no they dont. They mean its totally non-addictive and safe which is bs imo.




When I say it's not addictive I mean physically. Any thing can be mentally addictive and by anything i mean things that are not drugs. Gambling, washing hands, counting to 10 before opening a door, etc...

It's all in the mind, a habit, it's not the weed.


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    #14504006 - 05/24/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes technically we could pussy foot around with semantics and say a mental addiction is similar to a physical one, but it's not.
Yes they are connected but try withdrawing from heroin or tobacco and then tell me that weed has a physical dependency, it doesn't.
If you get irritated because you don't get high, that's your own damn problem not the lack of weed.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14504009 - 05/24/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It changes receptor density and metabolic function all over your body and the last time I checked both receptors and metabolism are physical entities. JWH would be a better example though, since its a full agonist of the cannabinoid receptor.




everything is physical on some level when you get down to it. go on an all day everyday weed binge and instead of missing it when you choose to stop, think nothing of it and see how that affects the rebound effects of quitting

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: badchad]
    #14504016 - 05/24/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Like I always say in these threads:  Physical withdrawal is only ONE characteristic of a medical diagnosis of "substance dependence".

You can have dependence without physical withdrawal, and vice versa.  "Physical addiction" isn't a clinically used term, and not used by professionals in the field.  Technically, its not even a real definition.



I remember you saying this, and trying to explain this to people i know but... they're all like huh :imslow:


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    #14504017 - 05/24/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

By the same logic, you can have horrible withdrawals from SSRI's, beta blockers, and thousands of other medications.  Yet they don't make people "addicted".

Physical withdrawal is one component of addiction.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: owls]
    #14504019 - 05/24/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i can smoke weed every day without ever having to buy ridiculous amounts to get high, worrying about overdosing/toxicity, and i wont end up homeless doing depraved things for a joint.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: badchad]
    #14504023 - 05/24/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There are documented physical changes that occur from withdrawal of THC and marijuana.  Changes in sleep activity, cannabinoid receptor density etc.




Yeah smoking too much weed fucks with GABA (ye olde body can't produce enough itself anymore) thus causing paranoia/anxiety.

Also sleep cycles and eating habits can get pretty fucked and that isn't minor IMO

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: badchad]
    #14504034 - 05/24/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes technically we could pussy foot around with semantics and say a mental addiction is similar to a physical one, but it's not.
Yes they are connected but try withdrawing from heroin or tobacco and then tell me that weed has a physical dependency, it doesn't.
If you get irritated because you don't get high, that's your own damn problem not the lack of weed.



Cigarettes were infinitely easier to put down than weed.  And thats a pack to pack and a half habit.

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There are documented physical changes that occur from withdrawal of THC and marijuana.  Changes in sleep activity, cannabinoid receptor density etc.



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14504044 - 05/24/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

did you start smoking when you were young mush 4 brains?


I ask because if you've always used weed as a coping mechanism, then of course it's going to be hard to put down.

that's like people that eat whenever they feel bad.  It's really hard for them to stop eating.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: badchad]
    #14504046 - 05/24/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What are the severity of these changes? Can you link to these documentation/studies?
Physical withdrawal is but one step yes, I am saying out of almost all the drugs I know of, and I know a lot of drugs...
pot is one of the least harmful/less addictive by FAR.. in terms of physical addiction that is even possible.
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There are documented physical changes that occur from withdrawal of THC and marijuana.  Changes in sleep activity, cannabinoid receptor density etc.




Yeah smoking too much weed fucks with GABA (ye olde body can't produce enough itself anymore) thus causing paranoia/anxiety.

Also sleep cycles and eating habits can get pretty fucked and that isn't minor IMO

but meh this is an ongoing discussion to nowhere so i'm just going to leave this thread be.




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: badchad]
    #14504050 - 05/24/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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By the same logic, you can have horrible withdrawals from SSRI's, beta blockers, and thousands of other medications.  Yet they don't make people "addicted".

Physical withdrawal is one component of addiction.




Depends on how habit forming it is.

There ARE different types of addiction.  I know people who are addicted to SSRIs and benzos.  They're Addicted for sure.  My ex used to be all about zoloft and xanax, I didn't know she was so bad because she hid that shit from me until she started puking everyday (hardcore heaving), started getting ulcers bleeding, and then when she quit we broke up, she went psycho and tried to kill herself and her kids and all that shit, and yeah I ditched out of town like "fuck this shit, ain't my drama".

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    #14504056 - 05/24/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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But if I happen to see a picture of a rolled joint






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    #14504058 - 05/24/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i personally believe regular cannabis use has positive effects on the mind. kinda like mushrooms

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    #14504078 - 05/24/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's total bullshit. I've smoked dank ass pot multiple times a day every day for years and "quit" 'cold turkey' with no problem.

Yeah you have a psychological addiction, so your mind tricks your body into thinking you need it, but you don't.

We aren't talking about a heroin or nicotine or caffeine addiction here, where there are actual physical withdrawal symptoms that suck ass. We are talking about minor fucking inconveniences that are all in your head to begin with. 

You can get mentally addicted to fucking anything. I have seen it. Weed is no exception, neither are video games.
Marijuana is not physically dependent or physically habit forming.  At all. It's all in your head.




I posted essentially this earlier, but I'll just agree anyway.  The only thing I notice when I stop is I have more trouble sleeping but I've been an insomniac for years, that's nothing new.  If the mind gets used to anything it will want it.

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I don't get it. I have physiological symptoms everytime I try to quit. Can't sleep, appetite sucks, cranky...bored lol. I may not be itchin or out robbing people for a fix, but I'm definitely a weed addict.

Don't compare it to being addicted to the internet please. I'm on there every day and can easily step away for a week and not give a shit. That won't happen with sweet jane.




This is probably because you're covering up things by smoking weed and when you cease use of it then it comes up.  If you only eat while you're stoned, your brain associates eating with being high.  If you only sleep after you smoke, your brain associates sleep with that.  This is true with any habit you do, you can't blame weed.  I'm not trying to say its a perfect drug and its for everyone but I'm not convinced there are any real physiological symptoms, especially after going through multiple heavy pothead phases in my life and then just stopping like nothing happened.  Some people get "addicted" to watching TV before they sleep.  If they stop having the white noise in the background, they don't sleep as well for a while.  Is TV addictive?

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Cigarettes were infinitely easier to put down than weed.  And thats a pack to pack and a half habit.





Cigarettes are easy to justify quitting.  After you smoke a few you don't get any buzz anymore, you're just killing yourself.  Weed is fun and there's very few side effects.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: owls]
    #14504084 - 05/24/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There are documented physical changes that occur from withdrawal of THC and marijuana.  Changes in sleep activity, cannabinoid receptor density etc.




Yeah smoking too much weed fucks with GABA (ye olde body can't produce enough itself anymore) thus causing paranoia/anxiety.

Also sleep cycles and eating habits can get pretty fucked and that isn't minor IMO

but meh this is an ongoing discussion to nowhere so i'm just going to leave this thread be.




weed affects gaba? if i was ever aware of that, i forgot. u sure? that's interesting




**Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[

**A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.

Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety.

Depression of growth hormone and cortisol response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia after prolonged oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol administration in man.

Six hospitalized volunteer male subjects were given insulin, 0.15 U/kg, before and after 14 days of administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) at a dose of 210 mg/day. A diminished maximal serum human growth hormone (GH) increase followed the prolonged THC ingestion. The mean maximal GH response was: 52.6 ng/ml +/- 8.7 (+/-SE) before THC and 18.8 ng/ml +/- 6.7 (+/-SE) during THC, P less than 0.01; corresponding cortisol responses were 20.1 mug/dl +/- 3.0 before THC and 10.0 mug/dl +/- 1.1 during THC, P less than 0.05. The data suggest suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis after prolonged high dose THC use. This is consistent with other reported endocrine effects of marijuana in man.



Gamma-aminobutyric acid B receptor 1 mediates behavior-impairing actions of alcohol in Drosophila: adult RNA interference and pharmacological evidence.

Department of Psychiatry, Psychiatric Institute, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.

In addition to their physiological function, metabotropic receptors for neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the GABA(B) receptors, may play a role in the behavioral actions of addictive compounds. Recently, GABA(B) receptors were cloned in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster), indicating that the advantages of this experimental model could be applied to GABA(B) receptor research. RNA interference (RNAi) is an endogenous process triggered by double-stranded RNA and is being used as a tool for functional gene silencing and functional genomics. Here we show how cell-nonautonomous RNAi can be induced in adult fruit flies to silence a subtype of GABA(B) receptors, GABA(B)R1, and how RNAi combined with pharmacobehavioral techniques (including intraabdominal injections of active compounds and a computer-assisted quantification of behavior) can be used to functionally characterize these receptors. We observed that injection of double-stranded RNA complementary to GABA(B)R1 into adult Drosophila selectively destroys GABA(B)R1 mRNA and attenuates the behavioral actions of the GABA(B) agonist, 3-aminopropyl-(methyl)phosphinic acid. Moreover, both GABA(B)R1 RNAi and the GABA(B) antagonist CGP 54626 reduced the behavior-impairing effects of ethanol, suggesting a putative role for the Drosophila GABA(B) receptors in alcohol's mechanism of action. The Drosophila model we have developed can be used for further in vivo functional characterization of GABA(B) receptor subunits and their involvement in the molecular and systemic actions of addictive substances.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: saxcidjazz]
    #14504088 - 05/24/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cigarettes were easy to quit, because when you OD on them you feel sick as shit.  Go huff an entire pack of cigs in a few hours, I guarantee you'll have the spins and feel ill for a few hours, that nasty nicotine buzz.

That's what got me to quit, after 2.5 years of heavy smoking.  Was on a roadtrip, smoked like 3 packs in a day, when I got home I almost puked.  It's really really hard to do that with weed.  I've sat around ripping hash-oil, bongrips, more hash, eating hash food, highest I'd ever been, couldn't hold my eyes open (a true welcoming to humboldt/mendo), and still never felt 'sick'.  It helps to form a habit when something doesn't cause you to feel sick when you either do it or quit it.



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Depression and anxiety are a far-cry from ulcers, puking and physical muscle spasms from withdrawal.  Anxiety and depression are psychological.


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    #14504103 - 05/24/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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did you start smoking when you were young mush 4 brains?


I ask because if you've always used weed as a coping mechanism, then of course it's going to be hard to put down.

that's like people that eat whenever they feel bad.  It's really hard for them to stop eating.



Cigarettes in 7th grade which is like what, 12 years old?  Pot regularly from 14 on.  There is truth in what your saying... It was really hard for me to put down till one day something wasnt working, i didnt enjoy it after doing every day for 10 plus years.  I love how people here say you're a foolish dumbass, week-minded, etc if you get in the habit of smoking weed.  Yet if you get in the habit of doing heroin daily, your a poor old soul, plagued by a disease and its not your fault.  I will say it one more time Cocaine does not have physical withdrawal, yet no one calls recovering coke addicts pussies.


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    #14504131 - 05/24/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Badchad, there are minor physical changes, however, the extent of them isn't like that of an alcohol or meth addiction.




Not necessarily true.  People can experience severe vomiting and nauses from withdrawal of antipsychotics. and debilitating headaches from SSRI withdrawal.

There have been marijuana withdrawal studies where oral THC prevents withdrawal symptoms, and it's given under double blind conditions which strongly suggests it's not secondray to stress or "all in your head".  Again though, physical withdrawal is just one component.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14504142 - 05/24/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

people at the shroomery insulted you for smoking weed? 

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    #14504144 - 05/24/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Cigarettes are easy to justify quitting.  After you smoke a few you don't get any buzz anymore, you're just killing yourself.  Weed is fun and there's very few side effects.



Weed gave me just as bad of a cough/ shortness of breath as cigs.  I wouldn't call cigarettes a buzz, but quite enjoyable and soothing to me.  There are side effects from marijuana, and i'd argue anyone (who is a daily smoker) who says there are none, is delusional.  If you want to compare it to meth or something way out there, than of course there are negligible adverse effects in comparison.


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    #14504147 - 05/24/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Badchad, there are minor physical changes, however, the extent of them isn't like that of an alcohol or meth addiction.




Not necessarily true.  People can experience severe vomiting and nauses from withdrawal of antipsychotics. and debilitating headaches from SSRI withdrawal.

There have been marijuana withdrawal studies where oral THC prevents withdrawal symptoms, and it's given under double blind conditions which strongly suggests it's not secondray to stress or "all in your head".  Again though, physical withdrawal is just one component.




Thank god marijuana isn't an antipsychotic (typical or atypical).  (Also before bringing up pure THC, remember cannabinoids react with THC and change how it affects the body, a THC high is different from smoking marijuana).


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Addiction is generally defined as a physical or psychological dependence on a substance, especially alcohol or other drugs, with use of increasing amounts.[1] For the sake of clarification, physical addiction is covered separately from psychological dependence on this website. (See also the section titled Dependence.) Scientific research on cannabinoid compounds has not demonstrated a strong association with biochemical addiction. In their exhaustive quest for evidence of addiction, federally funded researchers have resorted to relying on questionable data, such as the withdrawal symptoms reported by children who were referred to social service and criminal justice agencies. These researchers may argue that the court-ordered testimony of troubled youths “proves” that marijuana is addictive;[2] however, such questionable data is not scientific evidence of chemical addiction. In another case, an addictions researcher reported on his experiment in which rats displayed withdrawal symptoms upon a sudden discontinuation of THC. Critics point out that the reported withdrawal effects were created with very high doses of THC, and by the introduction of a second drug, a THC-blocking agent used to trigger the withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms are not found in rats without using a THC-blocking agent,[3] and even among troubled youths, withdrawal symptoms are relatively mild and of short duration. [4], [5]

Dopamine, a neurochemical produced in the central cortex of the brain, is thought to provide the brain’s “reward system.” Interference with dopamine production is considered a major symptom of biochemical addiction. While two studies alleged a minor link between THC and dopamine production in the brains of rats,[6] these were refuted by several subsequent studies showing that cannabis does not radically affect dopamine levels.[7], [8], [9] In assessing the importance of a possible link between cannabis use and dopamine levels, it should be noted that dopamine activity has also been detected in the brains of video game players who were paid money every time they reached a new level of the game.[10] Clearly, minor evidence of dopamine activity is not the sloe indicator of addiction. If it were, than all pleasurable activities would be defined as addictive. Moreover, the scientific evidence that cannabis use produces any amount of increased dopamine activity remains entirely inconclusive. Assessing the scientific literature on marijuana’s addictive potential for the Criminal Justice Commission of Australia, Peter Nelson reported, “… involvement with the ventromedial striatum suggests connections to dopamine circuits. However, the expected reinforcing properties usually associated with these dopamine pathways are difficult to demonstrate in the case of THC.”[11]

Cannabinoids bond to anandamide nerve receptors that are primarily concentrated in the frontal lobes of the brain,[12], [13] rather than in the central cortex where dopamine is produced. THC is mild, with effects resembling those of caffeine or chocolate rather than classic addictive drugs such as alcohol, amphetamines, cocaine, opiates, and nicotine. In fact, a 1996 report from Daniele Piomelli of the Neurosciences Institute in San Diego indicated that chocolate contains three compounds that are chemically similar to cannabinoids. Studies involving rats showed that cannabinoid chemicals found in chocolate amplify the effect of natural cannabinoids found in the brain. The article published in Nature concluded that these compounds may, “participate in the subjective feelings of eating chocolate.”[14] In the April 1999 issue of Nature Neuroscience, Piomelli and colleagues at the University of California, Irvine reported that anandamide acts as an inhibitor of dopamine neurons.[15] Far from triggering chemical addiction in the brain, THC, the natural anandamide analogue, may actually help to balance erratic dopamine levels.

The common scientific criteria for determining the addictive quality of a drug are examples of animal studies in which subjects self-administer an addictive substance. When given the choice between food and narcotics, for example, animals commonly self-administer the drug to the exclusion of all other activity, often starving themselves to death. Unlike heroin, cocaine, and other substances of abuse, there are no clinical studies showing animals self-administering cannabinoid compounds. In 1993, the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment reached this conclusion:

While marijuana produces a feeling of euphoria in humans, in general, animals will not self-administer THC in controlled studies. Also, cannabinoids generally do not lower the threshold needed to get animals to self-stimulate the brain reward system as do other drugs of abuse.[16]

Clinical studies indicate a very low potential for addiction to cannabinoid drugs. In addition, there is no real-world evidence suggesting that THC is chemically addictive.[17] Epidemiological studies show that the large majority of people who try marijuana do not continue to use it on a regular basis. Moreover, the majority of people who ever use cannabis stop using it entirely before the age of thirty. Of an estimated 65 million “experimenters,”[18] only about 0.8% of Americans use cannabis on a daily basis.[19] The fact that millions of Americans have stopped using marijuana voluntarily and without difficulty is strong epidemiological evidence that cannabis is not chemically addictive.

Despite federally funded sociological and scientific findings that marijuana produces only mild dependence in some heavy users,[20], [21] the federal government has officially classified cannabis as a Schedule I substance that has “a high potential for abuse.” Recent research determining that cannabinoids are not chemically addictive and do not have a high potential for abuse forms the basis of a petition filed with the Drug Enforcement Administration. That petition prompted the federal drug agency to enter into a legally binding review of the existing evidence by the US Department of Health and Human Services in 1997.[22] Two years later, investigative authors of the 1999 Institute of Medicine report determined that, “… marijuana was not particularly addictive.”[23] Yet cannabis is still classified as having, “no medical value and a high potential for abuse.” In 1999, Dr. Podrebarac wrote to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy: “The recently released Institute of Medicine (IOM) study on the medical use of marijuana clearly supports rescheduling it for medical use.” The US Drug Czar’s office refused to comment on the rescheduling issue.

Cannabis authority Tod Mikuriya wrote extensively on the value of cannabis in treating addiction. Consider the following excerpt:

“In 1839, William B. O’Shaughnessy visited cannabis buyers’ centers in India and mingled with the “dissolute and depraved” to learn about the preparations of this social drug for clinical medical trials and found it to be useful in the treatment of tetanus and seizures.

In 1843, Clendinning utilized cannabis substitution for the treatment of alcoholism and opium addiction. Potter recommended full-dose Squibb cannabis extract for withdrawal from opium addiction.

In 1894, the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report recognized the comparative safety of cannabis in its unsurpassed ethnographic studies within different cultures with a concern that if prohibited it would cause the use of more dangerous drugs.

McMeens, citing Fronmueller in 1860, found that the use of cannabis in place of, or combined with, opiates reduced harm from increased dose, tolerance, dependence, and side effects of opiates. In 1897, cannabis was confirmed as useful in the treatment of delirium tremens and as an alternative to opium for analgesia. Dutt independently described the comparative safety of cannabis in Materia medica of the Hindus. Yeo and colleagues warned about addiction to morphine in the treatment of neuralgia and suggested cannabis as an alternative.”

The connection between dependency on drugs and mood disorders may be caused by unsuccessful attempts to self-medicate uncomfortable feelings with the “cure,” causing more harm and aggravation of the underlying condition. Moreau described cannabis as being useful in the treatment of depression in 1845. Throughout both the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, the drug was listed in medical texts and pharmaceutical catalogues for treatment of melancholia or mania.

Notwithstanding some polysubstance abusers who maladaptively combine cannabis with other psychoactives, there appears to be a significant number of persons who have learned that cannabis can totally substitute for other psychoactive drugs.

Following the therapeutic paths of Clendinning, throughout the nineteenth and twentieth century, cannabis was found useful in the treatment of opiate and sedative abuse. Brunton described the use of cannabis for the treatment of opiate dependence or as a substitute when opiates were not tolerated. Shoemaker found cannabis to be used for the cure of opium or chloral habits. Birch advocated for the use of Indian hemp in the treatment of chronic chloral and opium poisoning. Mattison, an early addcition specialist, recommended cannabis as a substitute for morphine and cautioned his fellow physicians about hypodermic use of the opiate.

Alcohol abuse, stimulant, sedative, and opioid abuse and dependence are conditions potentially treatable with cannabis substitution. All of these conditions involve management of mood and emotional reactivity. Although there have been numerous synthetic homologues developed, short-acting psychotropic drugs continue to have high potential for dependency and abuse. The quality of immediacy for mood management would appear to be inseparable from abuse potential but cannabis appears to be the exception because of lesser or milder withdrawal symptoms.

California cannabis center members and patients in my private practice independently rediscovered and confirmed that cannabis is a safer substitute for many prescribed and most nonmedical psychoactive drugs in the control of depression, anger, and anxiety. Cannabis substitution may be a gateway drug back to sobriety and dealing with the underlying psychopathalogic etiologies.[24]




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14504159 - 05/24/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I feel like I'm addicted to it :shrug: Say I have a random stash of drugs (including all recreational classes) I can abstain from anything in the stash apart from the weedz. I'd compulsively smoke it as soon as I wake up. Everything else will be in place for months but the weed will disappear in several days. I won't feel particularly shitty after heavy use, maybe feel a bit less hungry and agitated but thats all.

But if I happen to see a picture of a rolled joint


or just smell them budz I'd find it very hard not to smoke some provided there's any available.

I'm not complaining or anything, its not a problem most of the times but I've heard so many times people saying that weed is non-addictive. The most hardcore users I know would get offended if I tell them they're addicted, but if they go without weed for a whole fucking day then they wont stop complaining about it :dudewtf:




Because when you stop smoking it, you don't start throwing chairs out of windows, roiling in a writhing cold sweat with pain like rail road spikes being slowly pushed through your abdomen keeping you awake for upwards of two weeks.

If you can't handle weed I pity your weak resolve. There are times I really, really wish I had some ganja, but if I don't have the money to eat afterwards I just go without and I'm no less comfortable for the lack. I wouldn't suck dick for a sack, either.

You're psychologically addicted, it's part of your routine. I get the same feeling if I'm deprived of my morning caffiene, and still crave the kick of nicotine even though I am no longer a daily smoker.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Maverick]
    #14504165 - 05/24/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Cigarettes were easy to quit, because when you OD on them you feel sick as shit.  Go huff an entire pack of cigs in a few hours, I guarantee you'll have the spins and feel ill for a few hours, that nasty nicotine buzz.

That's what got me to quit, after 2.5 years of heavy smoking.  Was on a roadtrip, smoked like 3 packs in a day, when I got home I almost puked.  It's really really hard to do that with weed.  I've sat around ripping hash-oil, bongrips, more hash, eating hash food, highest I'd ever been, couldn't hold my eyes open (a true welcoming to humboldt/mendo), and still never felt 'sick'.  It helps to form a habit when something doesn't cause you to feel sick when you either do it or quit it.


Depression and anxiety are a far-cry from ulcers, puking and physical muscle spasms from withdrawal.  Anxiety and depression are psychological.



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Badchad, there are minor physical changes, however, the extent of them isn't like that of an alcohol or meth addiction.




Not necessarily true.  People can experience severe vomiting and nauses from withdrawal of antipsychotics. and debilitating headaches from SSRI withdrawal.

There have been marijuana withdrawal studies where oral THC prevents withdrawal symptoms, and it's given under double blind conditions which strongly suggests it's not secondray to stress or "all in your head".  Again though, physical withdrawal is just one component.




Thank god marijuana isn't an antipsychotic (typical or atypical).  (Also before bringing up pure THC, remember cannabinoids react with THC and change how it affects the body, a THC high is different from smoking marijuana).




Yeah we know too less about all the other cannabinoids, I do believe CBD does serve as an antipsychotic

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Maverick]
    #14504166 - 05/24/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thank god marijuana isn't an antipsychotic (typical or atypical).  (Also before bringing up pure THC, remember cannabinoids react with THC and change how it affects the body, a THC high is different from smoking marijuana).




I just meant to show that you can have severe physical withdrawal in the absence of "addiction".  My other point was that MJ withdrawal is not necessarily due to  stress of "being in the head", but due to the absence of exogenous chemicals.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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    #14504173 - 05/24/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you're claiming you can't be addicted to SSRIs, antipsychotics, benzos, etc?  I disagree.  I've seen plenty of people addicted to them.


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    #14504174 - 05/24/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You can die from benzo/alcohol/opiate withdrawals


AND IF IT ISNT PHYSICAL IT ISNT ADDICTIVE


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Maverick]
    #14504201 - 05/24/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you're claiming you can't be addicted to SSRIs, antipsychotics, benzos, etc?  I disagree.  I've seen plenty of people addicted to them.




No.  I'm claiming physical withdrawal is one component of a set of behaviors that make up "addiction".  You can have "addiction" with, or without physical dependence, and vice versa (e.g. severe physical withdrawal without addicition).


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    #14504205 - 05/24/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You can die from benzo/alcohol/opiate withdrawals


AND IF IT ISNT PHYSICAL IT ISNT ADDICTIVE


it's all in your head mang

:cheers:





So you're saying that only physical addiction is addiction?  I don't know.  I can definitely agree that both physical and psychological addiction are on a different plane, psychological addiction is still an addiction.

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Oh, now I see where you're coming from.  Yes you can have physical withdrawals without a psychological addiction.  But your body is addicted to it otherwise you wouldn't have withdrawals.

I guess you could relabel it 'dependance' rather than addiction to sugarcoat it...


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    #14504234 - 05/24/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You can die from benzo/alcohol/opiate withdrawals


AND IF IT ISNT PHYSICAL IT ISNT ADDICTIVE


it's all in your head mang

:cheers:





So you're saying that only physical addiction is addiction?  I don't know.  I can definitely agree that both physical and psychological addiction are on a different plane, psychological addiction is still an addiction.

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Read my earlier posts

Nope I just think people are too afraid of the word addiction and therefore don't want to associate it with weed then compare it to other drugs which have a diffirent mechanism of action.

That doesn't make sense, it's comparing apples to oranges.

And actually it isn't psychological as the THC inhibits the GABA-a thus making it physical.

does it matter what kind it is, it :feelsgoodman: ofcourse it is addictive.


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**Nora Laaris et. al., "Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a full agonist at CB1 receptors on GABA neuron axon terminals in the hippocampus." Neuropharmacology, Vol. 59, No. 1-2, 121-127. 2010.[

**A. Hoffman, "Mechanisms of Cannabinoid Inhibition of GABA-A Synaptic Transmission in the Hippocampus." J. Neurosci., 20(7):2470-2479. 2000.

Marijuana causes a physiological reaction that causes anxiety.

Depression of growth hormone and cortisol response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia after prolonged oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol administration in man.

Six hospitalized volunteer male subjects were given insulin, 0.15 U/kg, before and after 14 days of administration of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) at a dose of 210 mg/day. A diminished maximal serum human growth hormone (GH) increase followed the prolonged THC ingestion. The mean maximal GH response was: 52.6 ng/ml +/- 8.7 (+/-SE) before THC and 18.8 ng/ml +/- 6.7 (+/-SE) during THC, P less than 0.01; corresponding cortisol responses were 20.1 mug/dl +/- 3.0 before THC and 10.0 mug/dl +/- 1.1 during THC, P less than 0.05. The data suggest suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis after prolonged high dose THC use. This is consistent with other reported endocrine effects of marijuana in man.



Gamma-aminobutyric acid B receptor 1 mediates behavior-impairing actions of alcohol in Drosophila: adult RNA interference and pharmacological evidence.

Department of Psychiatry, Psychiatric Institute, University of Illinois, Chicago, IL 60612, USA.

In addition to their physiological function, metabotropic receptors for neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the GABA(B) receptors, may play a role in the behavioral actions of addictive compounds. Recently, GABA(B) receptors were cloned in fruit flies (Drosophila melanogaster), indicating that the advantages of this experimental model could be applied to GABA(B) receptor research. RNA interference (RNAi) is an endogenous process triggered by double-stranded RNA and is being used as a tool for functional gene silencing and functional genomics. Here we show how cell-nonautonomous RNAi can be induced in adult fruit flies to silence a subtype of GABA(B) receptors, GABA(B)R1, and how RNAi combined with pharmacobehavioral techniques (including intraabdominal injections of active compounds and a computer-assisted quantification of behavior) can be used to functionally characterize these receptors. We observed that injection of double-stranded RNA complementary to GABA(B)R1 into adult Drosophila selectively destroys GABA(B)R1 mRNA and attenuates the behavioral actions of the GABA(B) agonist, 3-aminopropyl-(methyl)phosphinic acid. Moreover, both GABA(B)R1 RNAi and the GABA(B) antagonist CGP 54626 reduced the behavior-impairing effects of ethanol, suggesting a putative role for the Drosophila GABA(B) receptors in alcohol's mechanism of action. The Drosophila model we have developed can be used for further in vivo functional characterization of GABA(B) receptor subunits and their involvement in the molecular and systemic actions of addictive substances.





If I understand this study correctly then they're giving them 210mg of pure THC a day, orally.  Lets assume for these purposes that the oral BA of THC is 100%, because I don't know what it is and a quick google couldn't turn anything up for me.  I'd say its a safe bet to assume most people here just smoke marijuana in one device or another.  For the sake of this argument, let's say that smoking BA is 30%.  Let's also assume that we're smoking weed with 10% THC, so its pretty reasonably dank.  In order to reach the levels of THC that this study used, you'd have to smoke ~6.3 grams of weed a day.  I wish these studies would actually use reasonable numbers, most people aren't going to smoke nearly a quad of good weed a day.  I'd say my own personal consumption is typically ~.2 a day of some dank when I smoke, generally speaking.  Sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes none.  Assuming the same numbers as before I'd be consuming more like 6 mg of THC a day, which is hardly close to the amount the study used.

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Cigarettes are easy to justify quitting.  After you smoke a few you don't get any buzz anymore, you're just killing yourself.  Weed is fun and there's very few side effects.





Weed gave me just as bad of a cough/ shortness of breath as cigs.  I wouldn't call cigarettes a buzz, but quite enjoyable and soothing to me.  There are side effects from marijuana, and i'd argue anyone (who is a daily smoker) who says there are none, is delusional.  If you want to compare it to meth or something way out there, than of course there are negligible adverse effects in comparison.





No way man.  I'm a musician and I use my lungs every day and I run and you can't compare tobacco with marijuana.  Could easily just be quantity smoked but THC is a bronchiodilator, nicotine is the opposite which is going to make a big difference by itself.  I don't have any chronic cough since I stopped smoking tobacco years ago and I still like to smoke weed daily when I can and my lungs feel so much cleaner.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14504252 - 05/24/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly beanhead, I think we're on the same page but we aren't wording things right so it makes it seem like we're contradicting each other... :shrug:


The one thing I will say though, is all 'psychological' things can be linked to a physical change in brain chemistry, therefor yes, anything 'psychological' could technically be classified as physical, it's just easier to keep that in its own category and not cross the brain chemistry boundary vs the rest of the body.  At least that's how I perceive differences in physical and mental.


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    #14504262 - 05/24/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Stupid language barrier :lol: yeah I was thinking the same but i'm probably misinterpreting a few things here and there.

and mastro I agree those studies always apply copious amounts but to be honest I smoke 5-6 grams every two days :blush:

Ofcourse smoking as little as 0,2 everyday is not going to affect you.


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    #14504269 - 05/24/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I love smoking pot, it makes me 'feels good man'.  :O


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    #14504286 - 05/24/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you define addiction as routine psychosocial attachment, I am addicted to Dr. Phil (lolsrslyguise?) and Minecraft...


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    #14504317 - 05/24/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Stupid language barrier :lol: yeah I was thinking the same but i'm probably misinterpreting a few things here and there.

and mastro I agree those studies always apply copious amounts but to be honest I smoke 5-6 grams every two days :blush:

Ofcourse smoking as little as 0,2 everyday is not going to affect you.





Oh I'm aware that there are plenty of heavier smokers out there but the vast majority of people that smoke weed, in my experience, don't smoke every day.. or if they do, certainly not all day.  I've quit heavier habits like that cold turkey before and still had no symptoms to speak of.  Out of curiosity are we talking regs or dank here?  I pretty much only buy locally grown fire so its always top notch, I couldn't imagine smoking an eighth of it a day and getting a thing done.


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    #14504331 - 05/24/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14504556 - 05/24/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I do have a physiological probelm  thats why I have trouble sleeping nightmares and shit.

Compared to the effects I see when other people are just being pumped full of all these different meds that should never be taken together.

Weed is the thing that kept me sane the last 9 years. (to a reltive degree :smirk:) .

So I choose the lesser of the two evils I guess it works for me only do the natural shit mostly now :wink:


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    #14504572 - 05/24/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Whoa that's another thing I forgot

The vivid dreams/nightmares, waking up all sweaty at night when I haven't toked for a while.

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    #14505086 - 05/24/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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to be honest I smoke 5-6 grams every two days :blush:




:eek: wow, just wow. If I smoke that much I'd die :vaped:


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    #14505091 - 05/24/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Weed is the most addictive thing I've ever done.  With alcohol I've been tempted to drink several days in a row, but not all day every day.  With pot, there can be a tendency to smoke from the time you get up to the time you go to bed.  I have a (former) friend whose life has pretty much disappeared behind a cloud of smoke.  It's a sad thing to see.  Personally, I'm glad I quit.


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    #14505278 - 05/24/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Seriously? If your addicted you will have physical symptoms. It's habit forming, like fast food.


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I posted the fucking definition of "addicted" on the first page.

And yet we still have 6 pages of this?


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: propensity]
    #14505345 - 05/24/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That definition was pretty vague.  Although, frankly, most are which is part of the reason there is 6 pages on this.


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    #14505409 - 05/24/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That was just a small definition of two words...
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I posted the fucking definition of "addicted" on the first page.

And yet we still have 6 pages of this?




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: propensity]
    #14505415 - 05/24/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ad·dict·ed/əˈdiktid/Adjective
1. Physically and mentally dependent on a particular substance, and unable to stop taking it

ad·dic·tion noun \ə-ˈdik-shən, a-\
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: the quality or state of being addicted <addiction to reading>
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: compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance




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The universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists.

Do you understand it now ?























just joking propensity, have a cupcake


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: propensity]
    #14505473 - 05/24/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So then, what if you can easily stop (not fulfilling definition 1), but have well-defined physiological symptoms?

What if you have 3 but not 1?

What if you have #1 tuesday, but not Wednesday?  What if you have both, but a year apart?  Sounds pretty vague to me.  What is meant by "Well-defined" physiological symptoms?

DSM-IV presents, actual clinical criteria for a diagnosis (although their interpretation are vague).  It's what actually used by physicians.  Its at least a starting point for discussion.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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    #14505502 - 05/24/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nice1 some more information on the GABA-a
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    #14505516 - 05/24/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Addictive or not, I think it is severely under discussed (the problem of heavy weed users quitting). The disrupted REM cycles can cause some severe nightmares and terrible sleep quality once alter by heavy use of weed. I see it in my brother when we go on vacations via airplane where he can't bring weed.


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    #14505521 - 05/24/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That definition was pretty vague.  Although, frankly, most are which is part of the reason there is 6 pages on this.




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    #14505551 - 05/24/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Would you suck dick for weed? No.

Would you just prefer to have some than not? Most definitely.

Cravings are gotten but it's not the end of the world type stuff,just hungry for a nice joint.


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Would you suck dick for weed? No.

Would you just prefer to have some than not? Most definitely.

Cravings are gotten but it's not the end of the world type stuff,just hungry for a nice joint.



I wouldnt suck dick for a cigarette or any drug.  For that we are talking millions of dollars, its a recession what can i say.


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Would you suck dick for weed? No.

Would you just prefer to have some than not? Most definitely.

Cravings are gotten but it's not the end of the world type stuff,just hungry for a nice joint.



I wouldnt suck dick for a cigarette or any drug.  For that we are talking millions of dollars, its a recession what can i say.




Okay,insert any random desperate addict act in there instead,robbing old women etc.


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    #14506233 - 05/24/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I posted the fucking definition of "addicted" on the first page.

And yet we still have 6 pages of this?



I'm not trying to offend mate, I just think the term "addiction" is used too loosely. I don't doubt it's very hard for some people to stop a long time habit. I also am not downplaying your difficulty, it just would seam more appropriate to specify this as mental dependence.

Drugs that cause a physical reaction after prolonged use when quitting should be called addictive.

Cannabis is habit forming but u won't have physical withdrawals. You get used to the sensation and chemical change so once stopped, some people have sleep issues and emotional changes. Any physical problems/issues one has from quiting cannabis is psychosomatic.

Again, not being rude. I just think that I used to smoke every day since I was 17 and quite at 19 with no problem other than difficulty sleeping which I already had before I smoked weed, but everyone's different.


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I posted the fucking definition of "addicted" on the first page.

And yet we still have 6 pages of this?



I'm not trying to offend mate, I just think the term "addiction" is used too loosely. I don't doubt it's very hard for some people to stop a long time habit. I also am not downplaying your difficulty, it just would seam more appropriate to specify this as mental dependence.

Drugs that cause a physical reaction after prolonged use when quitting should be called addictive.

Cannabis is habit forming but u won't have physical withdrawals. You get used to the sensation and chemical change so once stopped, some people have sleep issues and emotional changes. Any physical problems/issues one has from quiting cannabis is psychosomatic.

Again, not being rude. I just think that I used to smoke every day since I was 17 and quite at 19 with no problem other than difficulty sleeping which I already had before I smoked weed, but everyone's different.



Woah, misunderstanding here.

I'm on your side brah. Weed is definitely not "addictive"


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    #14506260 - 05/24/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So crack isn't addicting because there are no physical withdrawals..... You folks that don't think marijuana is addicting need to rethink your argument.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14506281 - 05/24/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

or admit crack isnt addicting :lol:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14506288 - 05/24/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is a lame semantics argument.

You know they're not even comparable.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: propensity]
    #14506295 - 05/24/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14506304 - 05/24/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its not semantics.  People here are arguing pot isn't "physically addictive"(not a real medical term btw) so its not a true addiction due to the fact you dont have physical withdrawal.


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The emotional withdrawal symptoms of cocaine are:

Tiredness
Depression
Anxiety
Moodiness



replace cocaine with marijuana in this quote.... strange it seems to fit


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    #14506310 - 05/24/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This is a lame semantics argument.

You know they're not even comparable.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_dependence

It's on wikipedia.  Therefore it's valid.  QED.

BTW, here's how the American Society of Addiction Medicine defines addiction:
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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14506324 - 05/24/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Its not semantics.  People here are arguing pot isn't "physically addictive"(not a real medical term btw) so its not a true addiction due to the fact you dont have physical withdrawal.


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The emotional withdrawal symptoms of cocaine are:

Tiredness
Depression
Anxiety
Moodiness



replace cocaine with marijuana in this quote.... strange it seems to fit




not really. i would argue that the cause of the withdrawal would stem from the user's personal psychology to begin with. if the person is smoking weed or crack or eating mcdonalds, etc., in order to fill some emotional void then of course they will have withdrawals if they discontinue the practice.


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    #14506330 - 05/24/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are pissed because the backbone of your argument was blown the fuck out of the water.


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    #14506364 - 05/24/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mush 4 Brains said:
Its not semantics.  People here are arguing pot isn't "physically addictive"(not a real medical term btw) so its not a true addiction due to the fact you dont have physical withdrawal.


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The emotional withdrawal symptoms of cocaine are:

Tiredness
Depression
Anxiety
Moodiness



replace cocaine with marijuana in this quote.... strange it seems to fit




not really. i would argue that the cause of the withdrawal would stem from the user's personal psychology to begin with. if the person is smoking weed or crack or eating mcdonalds, etc., in order to fill some emotional void then of course they will have withdrawals if they discontinue the practice.



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    #14506476 - 05/24/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:randy: Marijuana is medicine people.


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    #14508356 - 05/25/11 03:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why did you change your user Title from

weed isnt medicine you stoner (or something similar)

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"Cocaine is not addictive"

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    #14508391 - 05/25/11 04:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You guys are pissed because the backbone of your argument was blown the fuck out of the water.




Not really.

If you went up to a crackhead who ruined his life with the substance and said "Weed is addictive"

He would probably slap you and tell you you are retarded.

No one runs their life into the ground smoking weed.

Perhaps some people would be unable to stop smoking weed to the point where you could call them addicted. This is obviously so uncommon that it's pretty retarded to go ahead and call weed addictive, because really the only danger of having some kind of deeply pathological fixation on weed lies in some kind of rare imbalance specific to a very small number of individuals, if any.

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    #14508404 - 05/25/11 04:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Research has shown the overall addiction potential for cannabis to be much less than for tobacco, alcohol, cocaine or heroin, but slightly higher than that for psilocybin, mescaline, LSD, and MDMA
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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14508416 - 05/25/11 04:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mentally addictive, sure.

So are video games
guns
shoes
TV
movies
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cars
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    #14508445 - 05/25/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm: again with the retarded internet/chocolate comparison. So according to you the sleeping pattern disturbances, the metabolic perturbations and lack of appetite are just in my head?

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    #14508479 - 05/25/11 05:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You're only addicted to substances when you suck dick and steal stuff mang


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14508698 - 05/25/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:facepalm: again with the retarded internet/chocolate comparison. So according to you the sleeping pattern disturbances, the metabolic perturbations and lack of appetite are just in my head?




:rolleyes: Yeah yeah I'm sure a fuckin' WoW junkie doesn't go through the same shit when he stops staring at a computer screen for 16 hours after 6 months. Is it really that hard to believe that after you make something a normal function and stop it suddenly after months it may change your appetite, sleeplessness and perturbation (I really thought it said masturbation)

Get the fuck outta here. It's absolutely nothing abnormal that no one else wouldn't experience quitting any other thing they feed their mind with daily for an extended period of time. I had to quit weed for a job after a hefty 3 or 4 years of daily smoking. It sucked, I did it and at first I thought about weed all the time - then slowly but Shirley I began forget until I didn't think about it anymore. When I think of withdraw I'm not thinking of some stoner who smokes a lot of weed then doesn't. If that is the case, I'm thinking about some guy who just has to  :blewmeanie:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: gzuf]
    #14508728 - 05/25/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We're not saying it's hard to quit


it's just addictive

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14508732 - 05/25/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I know I would definitely class myself as a marijuana fiend,addict if you will.

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    #14508743 - 05/25/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

With me, if I use any substance for more than a month I usually have that somewhat "Im addicted" type of feeling. With marijuana its tough to stop smoking after doing it every day all day for a couple of months, but after the first 2 or 3 days of stopping, its a complete breeze for me to stay off it!

I guess that just means im not addicted & usually have no reason to stop:shrug:


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people arent addicted, they have weak wills,


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    #14508801 - 05/25/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

weed is not addictive. most of us just have no reason to not smoke it as much as we want. you are really only as addicted to weed as you want to be.


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    #14508968 - 05/25/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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weed is not addictive. most of us just have no reason to not smoke it as much as we want. you are really only as addicted to weed as you want to be.




I agree with you. physically it only sucks to not smoke it if you have a job that makes your body soar. Thats when its like, "Hey man should I keep smoking this pot to stop this pain or take some pain killers"
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    #14509514 - 05/25/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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why did you change your user Title from

weed isnt medicine you stoner (or something similar)

to

"Cocaine is not addictive"

are you just trying to encourage people not to take your posts seriously.



Well as far as "pot is not medicine stoners."  Im in favor of legalization just not through the guise of medicine.  Im sick of tie-dye t-shirt/hemp necklace wearing hipster ass stoners.  "I need my medicine brah."  Are there limited medical benefits? sure if you have cancer or aids and need help eating.  The term medical marijuana is a crock.

I changed my title to piss people off, in order to get a somewhat descent debate.  (Also to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of the "pot addiction isnt real because theres no physical addiction," argument)  All i hear is people spouting off about "physical addiction" which is not a medical term.  If its not "physically addictive" (i.e. physical withdrawal) than the addiction isn't valid or real.  Which is complete bull shit.  All addiction spawns from the mind, physical withdrawal is a fun little added benefit of some addictions.

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Mush 4 Brains said:
You guys are pissed because the backbone of your argument was blown the fuck out of the water.




Not really.

If you went up to a crackhead who ruined his life with the substance and said "Weed is addictive"

He would probably slap you and tell you you are retarded.

No one runs their life into the ground smoking weed.

Perhaps some people would be unable to stop smoking weed to the point where you could call them addicted. This is obviously so uncommon that it's pretty retarded to go ahead and call weed addictive, because really the only danger of having some kind of deeply pathological fixation on weed lies in some kind of rare imbalance specific to a very small number of individuals, if any.

In general, weed is not addictive.



People ruin their lives over all sorts of shit, weed included.  A person who ruined their live over cocaine would slap you in the face for saying," your addiction isnt a "physical one," its all in your head quit being a pussy."  You seem to think im comparing the high of the drugs(coke vs. mj) or the level of addictiveness, and im not at all.

I love the thought process of many on this site.  "Oh man caffeine is so addictive, i need to quit.  Oh man im having withdrawals."

I mean so many can admit that something as mild as caffeine is addictive and produces withdrawals, yet the miracle drug cannabis can do no wrong...."its medicine bro." - give me a break.

As op said, try smoking 2gs a day for 6 months, then go cold turkey.  See how well you sleep, take note of any irritability and restlessness, hows your appetite? Try that with video games and see if you have all those effects :lol:  As someone who has been there and done that, and known many others who have also, I can tell you there most certainly is a withdrawal.  I mean 3 weeks of insomnia is not in my head.  Ive never experienced insomnia before quiting, let alone 3 weeks of it.

Just because you're not having a seizure (or something else as extreme) from lack of a drug doesn't mean its not addictive or that there are no physical withdrawal symptoms.

Am i saying pot is as addictive as crack, in no way am i saying that.  But there is a definite and real addiction that can produce withdrawal effects with cessation after heavy abuse.  Its real, its documented.


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    #14509556 - 05/25/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:huxleyfacepalm:



Don't worry you'll learn how to read one day.  I love your previous post "this thread is stupid."  I guess i should expect nothing less from the guy with the pot plant as his avatar.  This thread isn't stupid, your inability to argue your point is what is.


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Well as far as "pot is not medicine stoners."  Im in favor of legalization just not through the guise of medicine.  Im sick of tie-dye t-shirt/hemp necklace wearing hipster ass stoners.  "I need my medicine brah."  Are there limited medical benefits? sure if you have cancer or aids and need help eating.  The term medical marijuana is a crock.



cannabis was one of the first medicines cultivated by man

there are hundreds if not thousands of pharmaceuticals that it could replace 


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I love the thought process of many on this site.  "Oh man caffeine is so addictive, i need to quit.  Oh man im having withdrawals."

I mean so many can admit that something as mild as caffeine is addictive and produces withdrawals, yet the miracle drug cannabis can do no wrong...."its medicine bro." - give me a break.




this is because caffeine addiction is real, symptoms of withdrawl include headaches, sluggishness, increased blood pressure, hard time concentrating etc...


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there are hundreds if not thousands of pharmaceuticals that it could replace



enlighten me

 
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this is because caffeine addiction is real, symptoms of withdrawl include headaches, sluggishness, increased blood pressure, hard time concentrating etc...


Cannabis addiction is real, caffeine and cannabis share some withdrawal symptoms.

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Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_withdrawal read the whole thing

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A reduction in serotonin levels when caffeine use is stopped can cause anxiety, irritability, inability to concentrate, and diminished motivation to initiate or to complete daily tasks; in extreme cases it may cause mild depression.


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Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased



those aren't withdrawl symptoms.  those are symptoms of not being high, NOT withdrawl:lolsy:


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:facepalm:
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Kouri and Pope examined withdrawal symptoms over 28 days abstinence from cannabis[4], while Budney et al. looked at a time period of abstinence of 45 days.[5] Their study assessed withdrawal symptoms among chronic cannabis users who were assessed daily on various symptoms while on a hospital ward for 28 days. They rated mood, anxiety, depression and irritability and compared them to those of two control groups of abstinent former heavy cannabis users and non-users of cannabis. Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased. Both studies used urinalysis to ensure abstinence, and showed that withdrawal symptoms began within 1–3 days of abstinence and lasted for 10–14 days.[3][6][7] According to Budney et al., the withdrawal syndrome associated with cannabis use is similar to that for tobacco but of lesser magnitude than withdrawal from other drugs like opiates or alcohol.




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Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased



those aren't withdrawl symptoms.  those are symptoms of not being high, NOT withdrawl:lolsy:



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    #14509865 - 05/25/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Their study assessed withdrawal symptoms among chronic cannabis users who were assessed daily on various symptoms while on a hospital ward for 28 days
maybe that had something to do with people's irritability and decreases in mood


weed makes life more enjoyable for most people, when they stop using, they go back to being miserable

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509878 - 05/25/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont feel shitty :shrug: I do feel shitty if I suddenly cant find weed anymore but it goes away after a few days.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509896 - 05/25/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Their study assessed withdrawal symptoms among chronic CRACK users who were assessed daily on various symptoms while on a hospital ward for 28 days
maybe that had something to do with people's irritability and decreases in mood


CRACK makes life more enjoyable for most people, when they stop using, they go back to being miserable

"You just can't take the effect, and make it the cause"





By that logic i can say the same about crack


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14509912 - 05/25/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you could, but that would just be retarded and inaccurate


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509925 - 05/25/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you could, but that would just be retarded and inaccurate



just like your argument :pipesmoke:



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509935 - 05/25/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the thing is here, maybe it is physically addictive/causes physiological problems to some people-withdraws, and maybe to others it's only psychological or neither or both. Who are we to say its one way or another with out backing it up with scientific research right? From what I see there is allot of research on it obviously, but it all seems conflicting. Maybe we just need more facts and some cold hard research- proof. Is it even worth debating?


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14509942 - 05/25/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:

have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509950 - 05/25/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:huxleyfacepalm:

have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin




That's true. When you say stuff like that, I lean towards the side that it is not physically addictive to any one. I personally am not sure what to think on this subject after reading over this thread.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509966 - 05/25/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nixon commissioned some research:smile: let's see what his people concluded:


The National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse was created by Public Law 91-513 to study marijuana abuse in the United States. While the Controlled Substances Act was being drafted in a House committee in 1970, Assistant Secretary of Health Roger O. Egeberg had recommended that marijuana temporarily be placed in Schedule I, the most restrictive category of drugs, pending the Commission's report. On March 22, 1972, the Commission's chairman, Raymond P. Shafer, presented a report to Congress and the public entitled "Marijuana, A Signal of Misunderstanding," which favored ending marijuana prohibition and adopting other methods to discourage use.

The Commission's report acknowledged that, decades earlier, “the absence of adequate understanding of the effects of the drug” combined with “lurid accounts of [largely unsubstantiated] ‘marihuana atrocities” greatly affected public opinion and labeled the stereotypical user as “physically aggressive, lacking in self-control, irresponsible, mentally ill and, perhaps most alarming, criminally inclined and dangerous.” However, the Commission found that the drug typically inhibited aggression “by pacifying the user… and generally produc[ed] states of drowsiness, lethargy, timidity and passivity.”

After the Commission's widespread study and analysis, it concluded that "Looking only at the effects on the individual, there, is little proven danger of physical or psychological harm from the experimental or intermittent use of the natural preparations of cannabis."

there's nothing on withdrawl or addiction specifically, but you get the idea


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509967 - 05/25/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14509984 - 05/25/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"Looking only at the effects on the individual, there, is little proven danger of physical or psychological harm from the experimental or intermittent use of the natural preparations of cannabis."



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509990 - 05/25/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Nixon commissioned some research:) let's see what his people concluded:


The National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse was created by Public Law 91-513 to study marijuana abuse in the United States. While the Controlled Substances Act was being drafted in a House committee in 1970, Assistant Secretary of Health Roger O. Egeberg had recommended that marijuana temporarily be placed in Schedule I, the most restrictive category of drugs, pending the Commission's report. On March 22, 1972, the Commission's chairman, Raymond P. Shafer, presented a report to Congress and the public entitled "Marijuana, A Signal of Misunderstanding," which favored ending marijuana prohibition and adopting other methods to discourage use.

The Commission's report acknowledged that, decades earlier, “the absence of adequate understanding of the effects of the drug” combined with “lurid accounts of [largely unsubstantiated] ‘marihuana atrocities” greatly affected public opinion and labeled the stereotypical user as “physically aggressive, lacking in self-control, irresponsible, mentally ill and, perhaps most alarming, criminally inclined and dangerous.” However, the Commission found that the drug typically inhibited aggression “by pacifying the user… and generally produc[ed] states of drowsiness, lethargy, timidity and passivity.”

After the Commission's widespread study and analysis, it concluded that "Looking only at the effects on the individual, there, is little proven danger of physical or psychological harm from the experimental or intermittent use of the natural preparations of cannabis."

there's nothing on withdrawl or addiction specifically, but you get the idea




Well that pretty much sum's it up right? I mean if even the government is saying it does not have addictive characteristics, that should tell us something.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14510009 - 05/25/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i was just making a point about how even NIXON'S study showed cannabis to be virtually harmless

if people under the crazy guy who wanted to nuke vietnam can see that it's obviously harmless, it's probably harmless


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mr.Qabalistic]
    #14510029 - 05/25/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well that pretty much sum's it up right? I mean if even the government is saying it does not have addictive characteristics, that should tell us something.



I'm sorry, but I don't see that bolded text referring to addiction.  It's talking about physical and psychological harm, i.e. long-term effects.  It also only refers to "experimental or intermittent use."  In other words, not the kind of frequent use that potheads are prone to.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14510053 - 05/25/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think addiction falls under "physical or psychological harm"

how else would you describe categorize addiction?


but like i pointed out "there's nothing on withdrawl or addiction specifically, but you get the idea"

or chronic abuse for that matter

i was only making a point about nixon....see other posts


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14510065 - 05/25/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:huxleyfacepalm:

have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin



I see, you're only addicted to something if you suck dick or steal for it.  For like the tenth fucking time there is no physical withdrawal from cocaine.  Yet again for the tenth fucking time "physical addiction" is not a valid medical term.  Give up, your argument has been shot the fuck down.  You're delusional.  Im done arguing, you're not worthy of anymore wasted time.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14510115 - 05/25/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:huxleyfacepalm:

have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin



I see, you're only addicted to something if you suck dick or steal for it.  For like the tenth fucking time there is no physical withdrawal from cocaine.  Yet again for the tenth fucking time "physical addiction" is not a valid medical term.  Give up, your argument has been shot the fuck down.  You're delusional.  Im done arguing, you're not worthy of anymore wasted time.




Go be a fuckin' buzzkill somewhere else.  why would you choose The Shroomery for a thread like this ?  i hope you get addicted to weed and have to mortgage your house and perform sexual favors in a subway bathroom for it..  but that will never happen.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14510116 - 05/25/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14510153 - 05/25/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i thought weed was addictive for awhile. smoked every day for the last 3 years, except for maybe 2 or 3 days at a time here and there. and for the past 2 years it's been nothing but medical quality buds all day erry day.

then i decided i should man up and try to find a job, so i committed to quitting weed for about 3 weeks straight and didn't have any bit of a hard time doing it.

now i never found a job, and went back to smoking, but now after smoking every day again for a month or 2 now i also haven't had the slightest problem going any time at all without weed.

basically quitting weed is easy, just dont be a pussy :shrug:

it also helps having some sort of real motivation for quitting, as there aren't really any reasons to not smoke unless your on probation or are in need of a job.






no seriously, quitting weed is not hard at all. if you think it is, try drinking alcohol everyday for a year and see how you feel going 2 days without it...


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14510200 - 05/25/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

people can get addicted to anything. such as eating chalk

chalk isn't addictive but people with "addictive personalities" get addicted to eating it, and these same people can become addicted to cannabis


this should be a discussion on drug addiction only

as far as drugs go, cannabis is the least addictive or damn well near the bottom of the list(but really not on the list at all). do you agree?

therefore the term addiction doesn't really apply to cannabis

weak-minded individuals can get addicted to inebriation, and this can be misinterpreted as cannabis addiction, but usually those kind of people move on to harder drugs, chasing the high, rather quickly

just because some people are addicted to an action doesn't mean the action itself is addictive, people are neurologically dependent on all kinds of things


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14510237 - 05/25/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

haha i posted a thread just like this in The Psychedelic Experience a couple months back, so I can already assume what all the replies say...


I'll say I agree OP. Weed is addictive in the way that you can smoke all day everyday for a year, then quit with no problem. It's the "well I know I CAN quit at any time...but I don't wanna".

It's the only substance I use daily so :shrug:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14510250 - 05/25/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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people can get addicted to anything. such as eating chalk

chalk isn't addictive but people with "addictive personalities" get addicted to eating it, and these same people can become addicted to cannabis


this should be a discussion on drug addiction only

as far as drugs go, cannabis is the least addictive or damn well near the bottom of the list(but really not on the list at all). do you agree?

therefore the term addiction doesn't really apply to cannabis

weak-minded individuals can get addicted to inebriation, and this can be misinterpreted as cannabis addiction, but usually those kind of people move on to harder drugs, chasing the high, rather quickly

just because some people are addicted to an action doesn't mean the action itself is addictive, people are neurologically dependent on all kinds of things


"you just can't take the effect, and make it the cause"




This. I'm done with this thread now, it pretty much sums it up.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: propensity]
    #14510441 - 05/25/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Weed is not addictive and I've been smoking every day for years. You know what's addicting? Chocolate. If I have some Dark chocolate the next day I will feel a NEED to eat it. I have never once felt a need to smoke weed, only a desire.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Rocker232]
    #14510456 - 05/25/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed is not addictive and I've been smoking every day for years. You know what's addicting? Chocolate. If I have some Dark chocolate the next day I will feel a NEED to eat it. I have never once felt a need to smoke weed, only a desire.



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14521028 - 05/27/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This thread is completely and utterly stupid.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: 2Cents]
    #14521083 - 05/27/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

here's the same argument with 20 pages of the same posts :lol:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13933309/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: 2Cents]
    #14521095 - 05/27/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you smoke weed everyday there's some addiction there. Lol, at the people who say I quit smoking weed for a week see guys its not addictive now I smoke more than ever whoopie :awedrugs:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: 2Cents]
    #14521356 - 05/27/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This thread is completely and utterly stupid.



Still beats your post :hehehe:

As long as it triggers a reward pathway the user will seek more weed which has some elements of addiction. The constant agonisation of CB1R on GABAergic neurons will in turn lead to the endocytosis and destruction of cannabinoid receptors. This means less dopamine because double inhibition will not occur. And less dopamine means :crankey:

Everybody can live fine without weed. This doesn't mean it totally non-addictive. Just because you dont start puking and shivering doesnt mean there is no addiction involved.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14521398 - 05/27/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive?"

Because there's a difference between "addiction" and "habit"... When you're on the floor in pain having a heroin or crack withdrawal, and selling all of your (and others) belongings that's an "addiction"... People continue to smoke because they enjoy it, not because theyre in pain when they don't have it. Simple as that, weed is not addictive.


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    #14521413 - 05/27/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the medical establishment defines addiction differently than its supposed to (imo)

we cant debate on weed without a true definition of addiction


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    #14521434 - 05/27/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol

what if i then have an addiction to run and eat healthy tho

my habit of brushing my hair isnt better.


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"Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive?"

Because there's a difference between "addiction" and "habit"... When you're on the floor in pain having a heroin or crack withdrawal, and selling all of your (and others) belongings that's an "addiction"... People continue to smoke because they enjoy it, not because theyre in pain when they don't have it. Simple as that, weed is not addictive.




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:facepalm: you guys are slow. Addiction as a broader meaning than just physical dependence.


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I'm addicted to chewing my nails, someone check me in to rehab, quick!


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    #14529461 - 05/29/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14529478 - 05/29/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Weed IS addictive.

Anyone who denies that is either in denial or misinformed, IMO.

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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: m00nshine]
    #14529488 - 05/29/11 05:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Addictive? Maybe. A habit? yes.  I strait up smoked for 7 years straight all day everyday best dro I can get and I just went cold turkey. Its my 6th day sober!!!! Im just takign a break for a few months. The first day is the hardest.  If you can get passed the first day, your good.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: detest86]
    #14529759 - 05/29/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I smoked weed almost every day for 7 years straight. One day I decided weed just wasn't for me anymore and I quit. I literally had no problem quitting. Nothing changed other than the fact that I wasn't high.

That doesn't sound physically addictive to me. Mentally I can agree with,it's 100% possible, but I don't have a weak mind so it wasn't a problem for me.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14529766 - 05/29/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Weed is not physically addictive. However many patterns of behavior can be addictive.

I usually compare marijuana addiction to gambling addiction. It's not really addictive clinically, but many people still manage to develop problems with it that seriously impact their lives.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14529802 - 05/29/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed is not addictive and I've been smoking every day for years. You know what's addicting? Chocolate. If I have some Dark chocolate the next day I will feel a NEED to eat it. I have never once felt a need to smoke weed, only a desire.



If I do something every day for years, chances are I feel a need for it.




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Rocker232]
    #14529931 - 05/29/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I sat in my house for the past 2 years smoking weed endlessly that I grew myself.

It is to the point where I feel as if I NEED marijuana about 5 times a day. I need to get high 5 times a day. The first day stopping maybe a bit harder to get to sleep, the mental aspect was just thinking everything is more lame(less motivation to do things). But thats for day 1. On day two of stopping, withdraw effects do occur. I am extremely irritable. I will rage over the dumbest things like going to turn a light switch off and somehow missing. I also get really gross cold sweats. Randomly my body will just start unloading sweat. Its kind of equal to the perspiration that occurs on mushrooms(if you get that). Its impossible for me to eat anything. Unless I happen to sneak a toke within the days of stopping, I will go a few days without eating a thing. I won't even feel the need to eat. If I try I could take a few small bites but then just give up.


During those days of withdrawal I still do almost all the same things as I did when I was smoking all day.

I see it as a bad habit. I could keep getting high 24/7 and my life would continue the same. I could stop getting high and my life would continue the same.


I was basically smoking about a gram an hour. Very high quality very clean.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14529999 - 05/29/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:facepalm: you guys are slow. Addiction as a broader meaning than just physical dependence.



People can get mentally "addicted" to anything: TV, Computer, Games, food etc... All I'm saying is all the anti-marijuana propagandists make it sound like if you smoke weed you're going to have painful withdrawals and you won't be able to quit, when that is not the case at all. Anyone that's smoked knows you can quit fairly easily with NO painful withdrawal symptoms.


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