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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14508743 - 05/25/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

With me, if I use any substance for more than a month I usually have that somewhat "Im addicted" type of feeling. With marijuana its tough to stop smoking after doing it every day all day for a couple of months, but after the first 2 or 3 days of stopping, its a complete breeze for me to stay off it!

I guess that just means im not addicted & usually have no reason to stop:shrug:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14508796 - 05/25/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

people arent addicted, they have weak wills,


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: kechlesurf]
    #14508801 - 05/25/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

weed is not addictive. most of us just have no reason to not smoke it as much as we want. you are really only as addicted to weed as you want to be.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #14508968 - 05/25/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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SlashOZ said:
weed is not addictive. most of us just have no reason to not smoke it as much as we want. you are really only as addicted to weed as you want to be.




I agree with you. physically it only sucks to not smoke it if you have a job that makes your body soar. Thats when its like, "Hey man should I keep smoking this pot to stop this pain or take some pain killers"
pot ftw


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: propensity]
    #14509514 - 05/25/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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teefizzle said:
why did you change your user Title from

weed isnt medicine you stoner (or something similar)

to

"Cocaine is not addictive"

are you just trying to encourage people not to take your posts seriously.



Well as far as "pot is not medicine stoners."  Im in favor of legalization just not through the guise of medicine.  Im sick of tie-dye t-shirt/hemp necklace wearing hipster ass stoners.  "I need my medicine brah."  Are there limited medical benefits? sure if you have cancer or aids and need help eating.  The term medical marijuana is a crock.

I changed my title to piss people off, in order to get a somewhat descent debate.  (Also to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of the "pot addiction isnt real because theres no physical addiction," argument)  All i hear is people spouting off about "physical addiction" which is not a medical term.  If its not "physically addictive" (i.e. physical withdrawal) than the addiction isn't valid or real.  Which is complete bull shit.  All addiction spawns from the mind, physical withdrawal is a fun little added benefit of some addictions.

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You guys are pissed because the backbone of your argument was blown the fuck out of the water.




Not really.

If you went up to a crackhead who ruined his life with the substance and said "Weed is addictive"

He would probably slap you and tell you you are retarded.

No one runs their life into the ground smoking weed.

Perhaps some people would be unable to stop smoking weed to the point where you could call them addicted. This is obviously so uncommon that it's pretty retarded to go ahead and call weed addictive, because really the only danger of having some kind of deeply pathological fixation on weed lies in some kind of rare imbalance specific to a very small number of individuals, if any.

In general, weed is not addictive.



People ruin their lives over all sorts of shit, weed included.  A person who ruined their live over cocaine would slap you in the face for saying," your addiction isnt a "physical one," its all in your head quit being a pussy."  You seem to think im comparing the high of the drugs(coke vs. mj) or the level of addictiveness, and im not at all.

I love the thought process of many on this site.  "Oh man caffeine is so addictive, i need to quit.  Oh man im having withdrawals."

I mean so many can admit that something as mild as caffeine is addictive and produces withdrawals, yet the miracle drug cannabis can do no wrong...."its medicine bro." - give me a break.

As op said, try smoking 2gs a day for 6 months, then go cold turkey.  See how well you sleep, take note of any irritability and restlessness, hows your appetite? Try that with video games and see if you have all those effects :lol:  As someone who has been there and done that, and known many others who have also, I can tell you there most certainly is a withdrawal.  I mean 3 weeks of insomnia is not in my head.  Ive never experienced insomnia before quiting, let alone 3 weeks of it.

Just because you're not having a seizure (or something else as extreme) from lack of a drug doesn't mean its not addictive or that there are no physical withdrawal symptoms.

Am i saying pot is as addictive as crack, in no way am i saying that.  But there is a definite and real addiction that can produce withdrawal effects with cessation after heavy abuse.  Its real, its documented.


Edited by Mush 4 Brains (05/25/11 01:22 PM)


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14509532 - 05/25/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: nglsnv]
    #14509556 - 05/25/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Professor Tibbs said:
:huxleyfacepalm:



Don't worry you'll learn how to read one day.  I love your previous post "this thread is stupid."  I guess i should expect nothing less from the guy with the pot plant as his avatar.  This thread isn't stupid, your inability to argue your point is what is.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14509630 - 05/25/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well as far as "pot is not medicine stoners."  Im in favor of legalization just not through the guise of medicine.  Im sick of tie-dye t-shirt/hemp necklace wearing hipster ass stoners.  "I need my medicine brah."  Are there limited medical benefits? sure if you have cancer or aids and need help eating.  The term medical marijuana is a crock.



cannabis was one of the first medicines cultivated by man

there are hundreds if not thousands of pharmaceuticals that it could replace 


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I love the thought process of many on this site.  "Oh man caffeine is so addictive, i need to quit.  Oh man im having withdrawals."

I mean so many can admit that something as mild as caffeine is addictive and produces withdrawals, yet the miracle drug cannabis can do no wrong...."its medicine bro." - give me a break.




this is because caffeine addiction is real, symptoms of withdrawl include headaches, sluggishness, increased blood pressure, hard time concentrating etc...


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509755 - 05/25/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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there are hundreds if not thousands of pharmaceuticals that it could replace



enlighten me

 
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this is because caffeine addiction is real, symptoms of withdrawl include headaches, sluggishness, increased blood pressure, hard time concentrating etc...


Cannabis addiction is real, caffeine and cannabis share some withdrawal symptoms.

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Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_withdrawal read the whole thing

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A reduction in serotonin levels when caffeine use is stopped can cause anxiety, irritability, inability to concentrate, and diminished motivation to initiate or to complete daily tasks; in extreme cases it may cause mild depression.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509780 - 05/25/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased



those aren't withdrawl symptoms.  those are symptoms of not being high, NOT withdrawl:lolsy:


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509830 - 05/25/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm:
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Kouri and Pope examined withdrawal symptoms over 28 days abstinence from cannabis[4], while Budney et al. looked at a time period of abstinence of 45 days.[5] Their study assessed withdrawal symptoms among chronic cannabis users who were assessed daily on various symptoms while on a hospital ward for 28 days. They rated mood, anxiety, depression and irritability and compared them to those of two control groups of abstinent former heavy cannabis users and non-users of cannabis. Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased. Both studies used urinalysis to ensure abstinence, and showed that withdrawal symptoms began within 1–3 days of abstinence and lasted for 10–14 days.[3][6][7] According to Budney et al., the withdrawal syndrome associated with cannabis use is similar to that for tobacco but of lesser magnitude than withdrawal from other drugs like opiates or alcohol.




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509839 - 05/25/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Chronic cannabis users showed decreases in mood and appetite and increases in irritability, anxiety, physical tension and physical symptoms and their scores on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression scale increased



those aren't withdrawl symptoms.  those are symptoms of not being high, NOT withdrawl:lolsy:



thats a joke, right?


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509865 - 05/25/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Their study assessed withdrawal symptoms among chronic cannabis users who were assessed daily on various symptoms while on a hospital ward for 28 days
maybe that had something to do with people's irritability and decreases in mood


weed makes life more enjoyable for most people, when they stop using, they go back to being miserable

"You just can't take the effect, and make it the cause"



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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509878 - 05/25/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont feel shitty :shrug: I do feel shitty if I suddenly cant find weed anymore but it goes away after a few days.


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509896 - 05/25/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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dynomite said:
Their study assessed withdrawal symptoms among chronic CRACK users who were assessed daily on various symptoms while on a hospital ward for 28 days
maybe that had something to do with people's irritability and decreases in mood


CRACK makes life more enjoyable for most people, when they stop using, they go back to being miserable

"You just can't take the effect, and make it the cause"





By that logic i can say the same about crack


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14509912 - 05/25/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you could, but that would just be retarded and inaccurate


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509925 - 05/25/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you could, but that would just be retarded and inaccurate



just like your argument :pipesmoke:



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You guys are pissed because the backbone of your argument was blown the fuck out of the water.




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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509935 - 05/25/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the thing is here, maybe it is physically addictive/causes physiological problems to some people-withdraws, and maybe to others it's only psychological or neither or both. Who are we to say its one way or another with out backing it up with scientific research right? From what I see there is allot of research on it obviously, but it all seems conflicting. Maybe we just need more facts and some cold hard research- proof. Is it even worth debating?


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14509942 - 05/25/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:

have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin


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Re: Why do so many people claim that weed is non-addictive? [Re: dynomite]
    #14509950 - 05/25/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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dynomite said:
:huxleyfacepalm:

have you ever sucked dick for weed?

i know of a crackhead that was giving bjs for $1, that's four quarters, for crack money


weed isn't physically addictive

people who say it is are the same ones who say it makes you kill your family and start doing heroin




That's true. When you say stuff like that, I lean towards the side that it is not physically addictive to any one. I personally am not sure what to think on this subject after reading over this thread.


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