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OfflineFUTURIST
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: farmer88]
    #14497483 - 05/23/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The fact that I see him posting on every fucken thread means he needs to think about something else for five minutes.






Get a reality check, please.  Bigger than McKenna?  Bigger than anyone else here? mmmmm  Futurist I thought your troll post was spot on, I ticked each box on the checklist and your comments contradicted the message.  I feel slightly baited because of it.




I didn't say bigger I said more important and thats my opinion. I'm not sure how much you have read on dmt forums/Facebook. but these are very delusional people. and there is a new breed of Psychonaut's who say the craziest shit.. Like.... I have a friend who smoked dmt all the time and it made him psychic. and they go on and on about dmt entities...

I do like Mckenna but he was alittle delusional because it was apart of his gig. it made his speeches more interesting. Joemolly isn't selling anything, he is a smart dude who noticed a lot of patterns of behavior. that noone else seems to talk about.

this new DMT cult that has grown in the past 5yrs is getting pretty nutty. And there is no one to keep anyone in check....... only JOEMOLLY!!!!.......  he should be wearing a cape!!!..... like a SUPER HERO!!!!! :laugh2:

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14497680 - 05/23/11 05:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Sobercolober said:
I think he needs to seeek some professional help (if he is not already getting it which I strongly suspect) I don't feel much at all when I read his posts other than he might be a bit delusional himself. He says it's bollox but continues to use them.





This is the best.  I need professional help and I am delusional?  All because I call bullshit on the psychedelic experience?  All because I rejected the prescribed psychedelic legends and myths of the community and espouse an opinion contrary to yours?

And if I swallowed the ball of bullshit and glorified these drugs then I would no longer be delusional or in need of professional help?  I'm crazy or have mental issues based on my negative opinions about the consequences of psychedelic drugs.

When people call me a troll it indicates how deeply into the psychedelic cult they are that they can't even conceive that someone would seriously articulate my points.  That's how far from consensus reality they are.  You, sobercolober, may be worse than Frenchmachine and 1983 perhaps even buried deeper than them.  You think I am in need of mental help and delusional because of my opinions which happen to be incredibly logical and honest.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14497802 - 05/23/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with your point at it's heart, but you come off as a total hypocrite.

The Psychedelic Experience doesn't exist.  There is your experience, my experience, and that other guy's experience.  They don't all necessarily lead to the same end.

You're a trolly troll troll from where I'm standing.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14497900 - 05/23/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
I agree with your point at it's heart, but you come off as a total hypocrite.

The Psychedelic Experience doesn't exist.  There is your experience, my experience, and that other guy's experience.  They don't all necessarily lead to the same end.

You're a trolly troll troll from where I'm standing.




I've said so many times that this is simply my experience, my opinions and that yours may differ from mine.  But that's too obvious.  The only reason I am a troll in your eyes is because my ideas conflict with yours.  I did a two second search of your posts and I immediately saw you talking about your "mushroom visits with God."   

'Nuff said.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: HerbalJunkie]
    #14497912 - 05/23/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Shed the light brother, altho i've met lucky fuckers that do get away with it, best thing is to be moderate.




Amen.

Joe, thankyou for your refreshing perspective as it is so true that many people are too far 'pro' pshyedelics, myself included. And a psychedelic forum is bound to have a higher percentage of people too deep, so your message is welcome and understandably criticised.

From my perspective, balance is in the middle - and fundamental thinking in any spectrum is not a balanced view.

To deny that pshychedelics have no merit is unrealistic, but to claim them as the miracle cure to enlightenment is equally as poisonus.

Listen to your instinct as you surf that line, it is the voice of reason here.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14497974 - 05/23/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I agree with your point at it's heart, but you come off as a total hypocrite.

The Psychedelic Experience doesn't exist.  There is your experience, my experience, and that other guy's experience.  They don't all necessarily lead to the same end.

You're a trolly troll troll from where I'm standing.




I've said so many times that this is simply my experience, my opinions and that yours may differ from mine.  But that's too obvious.  The only reason I am a troll in your eyes is because my ideas conflict with yours.  I did a two second search of your posts and I immediately saw you talking about your "mushroom visits with God."   

'Nuff said.




:maximumtrolling: You assume much about me, Joe.  I just said that I agree with your point at heart. 
Perhaps you only see what you wish to see. :rolleyes:

Care to quote that post you're referencing? I think it was probably this one: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9199687#9199687
Not that it is relevant, seeing as this post was 2 and a half years ago, but you obviously have very shoddy reading comprehension.

Here's a quote straight from my fingers:

"After a while I felt like I had gotten all I could out of these mushroom visits with God, but I definitely didn't want to give up tripping!
The fungus found me once more, and I couldn't pass them up...but this time I was just in it for a good time.  I was done searching for enlightenment through shrooms for the time being.

WOW! What a difference that made! The magical feelings remained, but they were more like background noise than the main event this time.  I was overjoyed to find that I could focus purely on the visuals and twisted mindset without getting too caught up in mysticism.

If I can experience such varied trips from the same drug, it makes me wonder how completely foreign other people's trips might be from my own, considering we all go into every experience with vastly different conditioning."


Sounds quite like I agree with your stance, doesn't it? Maybe you shouldn't jump to so many conclusions.  :flipthebird:

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14497985 - 05/23/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You have some cognitive dissonance going on.  You know on one level you agree with me, but the other superstitious, drug-addled part of you is opposed to me, hence your troll comment.  You get it?


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14497998 - 05/23/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You get it?




Yep, I get it, you're either purposefully trolling or just a huge dick.  Have fun with your assumptions about people you've never met. :thumbup:

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14498013 - 05/23/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You get it?




Yep, I get it, you're either purposefully trolling or just a huge dick.  Have fun with your assumptions about people you've never met. :thumbup:




I am a huge dick, but I'm not trolling.  I got you pegged, brother.  Thanks.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14498030 - 05/23/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14498037 - 05/23/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol::rolleyes: 
Fine, as long as you promise you aren't trolling...


Alright, so what do you propose I do about my supposed cognitive dissonance? Help me out, buddy.

I don't believe psychedelics are magical.  I don't even believe in God.  The whole point of that post was that my experience on hallucinogens is one of felt importance, which I think you have talked about yourself?
They can make every thought and event seem profound, whether there is real substance there or not.

I totally agree with you there.  The dissonance I see in your posts lies with your attitude of a "one size fits all" psychedelic experience. 
The tripping thought trains can lead to bullshit, yes, but they can also lead to real realizations about the way one operates.  This is not magical, it's just basically rewiring.

You seem to have a major case of the projectoids.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14498060 - 05/23/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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Oweyervishice said:
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You get it?




Yep, I get it, you're either purposefully trolling or just a huge dick.  Have fun with your assumptions about people you've never met. :thumbup:




I am a huge dick, but I'm not trolling.  I got you pegged, brother.  Thanks.




No, you're a fundamentalist. Fundamentalists come across as dicks because of their hard line views.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: clown133]
    #14498248 - 05/23/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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two months after a amazing trip, tell me to my face that you don't get the same kind of need a heroin junkie has on the verge of wanting another fix.




you think you know what it's like to have a heroin addiction?  are you fucking retarded?  have you done heroin?  have you seen what it can do to people?




There things worse then physical addiction, believe it or not.

I've got two friends deep into heroin addiction, they would be fine if they sweated it for 3-4 days.

On the other hand, a long drawn out depression of not understanding your false reality you created for yourself could be ten times as destructive.

If the fix lasts longer, so will the withdrawls.


This was not meant to make heroin appealing, for i know the pain it can cause. But instead show that even though it is appalling, pyschedelics can cause severe results as well.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: DesertedAnt]
    #14498753 - 05/23/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

JM has an OPINION that's it.  Nothing more nothing less. I respect that. 
A drug is just a drug. Use it for what, and how you see fit.
Even as big a load of bull shit as they may be, i share the same outlook as phantompower, JM's OPINION came about throught their use. (he went through there to get there, even if he didn't have to.)

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: funegi]
    #14499195 - 05/23/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You have misunderstood..

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All because I call bullshit on the psychedelic experience?





Not because you call it BS but because you are trying to convince others you know the truth, you know jack shit about anyone or their experience yet you suggest it is globally the case because are disillusioned with their use.

This is starting to go round in circles now......booooooooooring.

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This was not meant to make heroin appealing, for i know the pain it can cause. But instead show that even though it is appalling, pyschedelics can cause severe results as well.





Complex and incredibly specific to any given individual, if you are a normallish grounded person with day to day responsibilites and respect for society as it stands (more or less) and occasionally use psychedelic substances you are less likely to end up off the map.

I am under no illusion there are a lot of people on this site I would probably hate to meet in real life and many who I would get on really nicely with. There are fucked up dudes : fact.

Some people socially, parentally, etc. etc. circumstances have not set them up for a ripe life. These people are at more danger and more susceptible whether they use these substances or not. Alcoholism, crime, violence + other negative things.

My friend jumped off a cliff 7 years (died) ago due to various things and live is not easy to feel good in sometimes, let people do what they need to.

And some are actually just plain old unlucky.

There are every type of asshole on the planet with or without such substances they will be assholes and get involved in some assholery.

Edited by Sobercolober (05/23/11 02:02 PM)

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14499608 - 05/23/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)






"After a while I felt like I had gotten all I could out of these mushroom visits with God, but I definitely didn't want to give up tripping!
The fungus found me once more, and I couldn't pass them up...but this time I was just in it for a good time.  I was done searching for enlightenment through shrooms for the time being.

WOW! What a difference that made! The magical feelings remained, but they were more like background noise than the main event this time.  I was overjoyed to find that I could focus purely on the visuals and twisted mindset without getting too caught up in mysticism.
"






Nice, I like it.  Me too.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: farmer88]
    #14499811 - 05/23/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I will continue to find it hilarious that people think joe is trolling.  Hilarious, and more than a little bit depressing.  I have to say I completely agree with his stance on how people delude themselves into seeing more than what's there.  Like he said, the fact that people think he's got to be trolling really does go to show how people can't comprehend how anybody could disagree with them.  It's sort of like arguing about religion.  Atheists can't conceive of believing in most religions, while religious people can't conceive of not believing anything.  Where this issue differs is in that believing in divine truths in the Psychedelic Experience generally leads to "dropping out".  Timothy Leary shows this amazingly well.  He basically says tune into the drugs, tune out of real life, drop out of everything you work for in real life.  This is extremely dangerous, and is not much different than somebody who is heavily addicted to a dangerous drug like heroin.  You disconnect from reality and substitute stuff that is usually nonsense as your reality.  When a drug keeps you from reality long after its effects have subsided, it's an issue.

That's not to say you can't learn from them, but I strongly believe anything you can learn from drugs can be learned without the drugs assistance; it all comes from within yourself.  A hallucination is simply your mind filling in the gaps.  Similarly, while you may be thinking in a new way, you aren't thinking about anything that isn't there.  You can think in a new way without the aid of a substance.  In other words, I don't believe there's anything to learn that cannot be learned otherwise.  I'm absolutely not refuting the claim that these drugs can allow you to see things under a different light and think in a new way.  I believe they can, but that they don't teach you anything.  You learn from yourself.  It's all internal.

I think joe and I share a lot of views.  He goes about explaining them in harsh ways most of the time, but look how much he's got you to think.  Either he changes your views or allows you to critically think about them and solidify them.  What's wrong with that?

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14501589 - 05/23/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I will continue to find it hilarious that people think joe is trolling.  Hilarious, and more than a little bit depressing.  I have to say I completely agree with his stance on how people delude themselves into seeing more than what's there.  Like he said, the fact that people think he's got to be trolling really does go to show how people can't comprehend how anybody could disagree with them.  It's sort of like arguing about religion.  Atheists can't conceive of believing in most religions, while religious people can't conceive of not believing anything.  Where this issue differs is in that believing in divine truths in the Psychedelic Experience generally leads to "dropping out".  Timothy Leary shows this amazingly well.  He basically says tune into the drugs, tune out of real life, drop out of everything you work for in real life.  This is extremely dangerous, and is not much different than somebody who is heavily addicted to a dangerous drug like heroin.  You disconnect from reality and substitute stuff that is usually nonsense as your reality.  When a drug keeps you from reality long after its effects have subsided, it's an issue.

That's not to say you can't learn from them, but I strongly believe anything you can learn from drugs can be learned without the drugs assistance; it all comes from within yourself.  A hallucination is simply your mind filling in the gaps.  Similarly, while you may be thinking in a new way, you aren't thinking about anything that isn't there.  You can think in a new way without the aid of a substance.  In other words, I don't believe there's anything to learn that cannot be learned otherwise.  I'm absolutely not refuting the claim that these drugs can allow you to see things under a different light and think in a new way.  I believe they can, but that they don't teach you anything.  You learn from yourself.  It's all internal.

I think joe and I share a lot of views.  He goes about explaining them in harsh ways most of the time, but look how much he's got you to think.  Either he changes your views or allows you to critically think about them and solidify them.  What's wrong with that?



You and I are the same person.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14501921 - 05/23/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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latherdome said:
If I have a regret, it's minor: I can't share my experiences with people I know and in some cases love, because I know I sound crazy and it frightens them. I am pleased to be able to contain craziness better than a Japanese reactor core, so far. Containment is itself a strength-building exercise.




:thumbup:

it's boring to be normal and it's too scary to be crazy. If I can maintain the balance of being in between and surround myself with similar people, that will really make me happy :crazy2:

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
    #14501926 - 05/23/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I will continue to find it hilarious that people think joe is trolling.  Hilarious, and more than a little bit depressing.  I have to say I completely agree with his stance on how people delude themselves into seeing more than what's there.  Like he said, the fact that people think he's got to be trolling really does go to show how people can't comprehend how anybody could disagree with them.  It's sort of like arguing about religion.  Atheists can't conceive of believing in most religions, while religious people can't conceive of not believing anything.  Where this issue differs is in that believing in divine truths in the Psychedelic Experience generally leads to "dropping out".  Timothy Leary shows this amazingly well.  He basically says tune into the drugs, tune out of real life, drop out of everything you work for in real life.  This is extremely dangerous, and is not much different than somebody who is heavily addicted to a dangerous drug like heroin.  You disconnect from reality and substitute stuff that is usually nonsense as your reality.  When a drug keeps you from reality long after its effects have subsided, it's an issue.

That's not to say you can't learn from them, but I strongly believe anything you can learn from drugs can be learned without the drugs assistance; it all comes from within yourself.  A hallucination is simply your mind filling in the gaps.  Similarly, while you may be thinking in a new way, you aren't thinking about anything that isn't there.  You can think in a new way without the aid of a substance.  In other words, I don't believe there's anything to learn that cannot be learned otherwise.  I'm absolutely not refuting the claim that these drugs can allow you to see things under a different light and think in a new way.  I believe they can, but that they don't teach you anything.  You learn from yourself.  It's all internal.

I think joe and I share a lot of views.  He goes about explaining them in harsh ways most of the time, but look how much he's got you to think.  Either he changes your views or allows you to critically think about them and solidify them.  What's wrong with that?



You and I are the same person.



You're all just joe aren't you.

I'm starting to think its just me and joe molloy with a million user names on this forum
:tinfoil:
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