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You can't judge an entire organization
#14499152 - 05/23/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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based on the actions of a few. Or even the action of the many. Even if 100% of the group's members are way, way-the-fuck out there, it still is not the group's fault. Organizations are blameless. Hate the individual.
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Why hate anyone?
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: 1983]
#14499186 - 05/23/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Have you read your own posts?
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No, but I don't think they could be any worse than yours.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: 1983]
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1983 said: No, but I don't think they could be any worse than yours.
Well, the fact that you don't even read your own posts might explain why they suck so bad.
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Groups don't actually exist. "Group" is the word we have for lots of individuals (which actually don't exist either). Whatever people do, it is what is is.
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Edited by xFrockx (05/23/11 06:45 PM)
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
#14500579 - 05/23/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Groups don't actually exist. "Group" is the word we have for lots of individuals.
So lots of individuals don't actually exist?
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: Poid]
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What do you mean by that? That there's lots of people who aren't? That's not what I meant.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
#14500644 - 05/23/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Groups don't actually exist. "Group" is the word we have for lots of individuals (which actually don't exist either). Whatever people do, it is what is is.
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So you just 'logicked' the KKK out of existence?
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
#14500652 - 05/23/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You said groups don't actually exist, then you defined "group" as "lots of individuals"..if you're saying that groups don't actually exist, and that groups are lots of individuals, then this means you're saying that lots of individuals don't actually exist.
Groups definitely exist, I don't understand why you would make the claim that they don't.
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xFrockx said: What do you mean by that? That there's lots of people who aren't?
Aren't what?
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"So you just 'logicked' the KKK out of existence? "
It's like going to all 50 states and then asking, "Where is America?"
America is not actually a real thing, it exists only through human contracts and ideas. What those ideas and contracts refer to is land, and it is that it is. America is nowhere to be found, but what is is.
The KKK does not actually exist in the same way. If you wanted to go out and find the KKK itself, what would you be looking for?
If you tried to set out to find a group, what would you be looking for?
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: America is not actually a real thing, it exists only through human contracts and ideas.
So those existent contracts and ideas are not actually real? Do you not see the silliness in saying that something is not actually real, then going on to explain what it exists through?
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xFrockx said: What those ideas and contracts refer to is land, and it is that it is. America is nowhere to be found, but what is is.
America is that land.
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xFrockx said: The KKK does not actually exist in the same way. If you wanted to go out and find the KKK itself, what would you be looking for?
A group of people with white robes and cones on their heads.
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xFrockx said: If you tried to set out to find a group, what would you be looking for?
The people that make up the group, what else?
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: Poid]
#14500723 - 05/23/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"You said groups don't actually exist, then you defined "group" as "lots of individuals"..if you're saying that groups don't actually exist, and that groups are lots of individuals, then this means you're saying that lots of individuals don't actually exist.
Groups definitely exist, I don't understand why you would make the claim that they don't."
I'm not saying its a superior position, but the idea that there are no groups is equally as understandable and usable as the claim that there are.
What I mean is that to group things together is an idea, and that things as they are, simply are, and grouping things together is something we can do but I'm calling groups not real here because they are existent through being conceived of but what is is what is.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
#14500755 - 05/23/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seems to me you are conflating an arbitrary group (such as tall people) vs. a specifically defined group such as the KKK.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
#14500764 - 05/23/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "You said groups don't actually exist, then you defined "group" as "lots of individuals"..if you're saying that groups don't actually exist, and that groups are lots of individuals, then this means you're saying that lots of individuals don't actually exist.
Groups definitely exist, I don't understand why you would make the claim that they don't."
I'm not saying its a superior position, but the idea that there are no groups is equally as understandable and usable as the claim that there are.
Well, understandable or not, that idea is either true or false..I think it's pretty clear which it is.
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xFrockx said: ...I'm calling groups not real here because they are existent through being conceived of but what is is what is.
Groups are existent regardless of whether or not they are conceived of..a group of stars, for example, exists regardless of whether or not it is being conceived of.
It doesn't make sense to say that something is not real, and existent through some fashion.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: Poid] 1
#14500864 - 05/23/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Humans don't exist, it's really all just quarks.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: 4896744] 1
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: Poid]
#14500897 - 05/23/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Well, understandable or not, that idea is either true or false..I think it's pretty clear which it is."
Lol, ideas are either true or false? Is that idea true or false, and how do you know?
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: Poid]
#14500905 - 05/23/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Groups are existent regardless of whether or not they are conceived of..a group of stars, for example, exists regardless of whether or not it is being conceived of."
What's there exists, its grouping is an idea.
"It doesn't make sense to say that something is not real, and existent through some fashion."
Why do you refuse to accept my definitions? I thought that much was my choice in the conversation.
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Re: You can't judge an entire organization [Re: xFrockx]
#14500907 - 05/23/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: "Well, understandable or not, that idea is either true or false..I think it's pretty clear which it is."
Lol, ideas are either true or false? Is that idea true or false, and how do you know?
Of course ideas are either "true" or "false". Maybe we can't technically "know" which of the two it may be, but what else could it fall under, the purgatory for ideas?
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