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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1484422 - 04/22/03 11:52 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

"No need to. Webster does a fine job, look it up."

The reason I asked was not to know the answer, but to see if you knew or had any idea of what telepathy is. Obviously you're not capable of sharing what you know about it. Don't you have a broad and well put explanation for telepathy? since you did happen to look it up in the dictionary before.
Or are you afraid you'll only show your lack of intel on the subject?
That would be my guess, since you also didn't respond or argue to much of the points made in my post. You only break it down into mere independent sentences that you can use a sarcastic response to.

"So telepathy exists, but cannot be proven. How convenient!"

Or perhaps, our technology just isn't capable of explaining or proving it yet? Did that even cross that great skeptical mind of yours? With time, science grows from theory to fact. And that is a fact. Especially when it comes to things so complex like the brain and mind. Theres so much we don't know Swami, learning is never a convenient experience. You never learn though, you only stay within your own beliefs, only arguing others.

"Where are these people? Why do they fail the Swami Challenge? Why do they not take Randi's $1,000,000?"

These people are all over. I thought we already discussed the fact that it can't be proven, and that it is not convenient. Let's progress the debate a little here buddy.

"Let me guess using my psychic prowess: because they cannot demonstrate such ability."

Again, you refer to the same subject. But this time you used your pyschic prowess to see the truth though. Go you.
And if it needs to be said one more time for you Swami, we can not prove these theories yet. We can only provide elaborate explanations for what people experience. You may choose not to believe these people, thats on you.

But my main question for you is, what force is involved in knowing what someone is thinking or knowing what they are about to do before they do it?
Oh what's that? you don't have a proven answer?
How convenient!


Edited by dustin (04/22/03 11:56 PM)


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1484543 - 04/23/03 12:30 AM (18 years, 21 days ago)

*Disregards endless number of personalizations so typical of believers...*


These people are all over. I thought we already discussed the fact that it can't be proven...

You know these people are all over through what means if it can't be proven?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1484788 - 04/23/03 01:43 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Shroomism already set the statement that it's between those who are closely connected, and under particular circumstances. If those circumstances do not overlap yours, what does it matter to you? And the use of the words and phrases "seems" "as if" "in my perception" and the like will work wonders for you.

Your inquisition was cute at first.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: valour]
    #1484840 - 04/23/03 01:59 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Shroomism already set the statement that it's between those who are closely connected,

Uh huh, other than the extremely rare and highly dubious anecdote, people cannot even tell when a loved one has died at a distance.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1484873 - 04/23/03 02:09 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

*shrug* I don't necessarily believe in telepathy, or that Shroomism can do it, or whatever, but it just seems that you're out to be belligerent (and I'll save you the trouble of saying "if people can't handle honesty, that's their problem" ). Maybe he's lying, maybe he's delusional, maybe he's just mistaken, maybe it's something different but outlandish (zB. aliens are slicing parts of his brain off and inserting them into other people while they sleep) -

Your statement "people can't tell if a loved one has died" -- but some people say they did or can -- which is something pretty much impractical to try to reproduce in lab conditions. I tend to be skeptical of such claims as well, but if it gives them a measure of comfort and doesn't harm anyone else, good for them. If thinking there's a white cloudy heaven helps some people cope with life and its troubles, well, one must do what one must. The only issue comes in when those same clouds are used to violate others' rights.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: valour]
    #1484973 - 04/23/03 02:31 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

...but some people say they did or can -- which is something pretty much impractical to try to reproduce in lab conditions.

The word "lab" was never mentioned (although it has been alluded to in numerous responses in previous threads as if I said it) It appears to conjure the image of a brightly lit room with men in white coats and pocket protectors, but I digress...

Every day people are missing and /or kidnapped; many of these cases are made public by the media. Yet the families do not have a clue as to their whereabouts nor state of vitality.

If telepathic communication was so "clear" these victims would be able to help authorities find them through messages to their relatives, but such is NOT the case.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485151 - 04/23/03 04:13 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

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If telepathic communication was so "clear" these victims would be able to help authorities find them through messages to their relatives, but such is NOT the case.
 
 




your right its not that clear.  i know that shroomism said that the only true and clear way to speak to each other is through telepathy and all that, but i dissagree.  sorry shroomism.  what dustin was saying was that there are slight and unexplainable "communications" between people.  have you never "felt" the presence of someone else in the room with and turned around to find out there was someone there?  if you haven't then id be surprised, most people have had this or a similar experiance. 

now i tend to be skeptical of everything but the FACT remains that there are events going on everyday(not just telepathy)  that science at its current state isnt able to examine or explain.  some of what shroomism says is a more than a little bit crazy like all this planet shifting dimensions and all that.  and that probly has something to do with why you cant accept ANYTHING he says.  like the boy crying wolf. 

remember that just cause there is no proof doesnt mean it cant exist it just means that at this point its unexplained.  humans havent gotten where they are by just simply rejecting everything without evidence.  our science progress BECAUSE we can make that leap of faith.  but skeptics have their place to balance out the far fetched believers.  and too much skepticism is NOT a good thing it hinders. 

i bet this will get chopped up into little pieces so you can make your snide remarks.  if you do that feel free to correct any spelling mistakes or grammer you might see im not very good at writing.  peace

blaze2

edited by me :smile:


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Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (04/23/03 01:33 PM)


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1485156 - 04/23/03 04:14 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

wow why did it come up all bold? oh well im too lazy to fix it.


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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1485181 - 04/23/03 04:33 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

wouldn't posting another post to say you're too lazy to edit your post be just as much work as editing your post?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Dogomush]
    #1485193 - 04/23/03 04:41 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

no because im on 56k and it would take awhile for the edit page to load when i can just use the quick reply thingy down here. before this thing i probly wouldnt have replyed to you right now. my comp is incredibly slow. peace

blaze2

EDIT: damn i just had to edit this message guess im not as lazy as i thought.


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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


Edited by blaze2 (04/23/03 04:43 AM)


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: blaze2]
    #1485202 - 04/23/03 04:50 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

not to mention you posted a 2nd reply to my post.. and now you are going to come back to read what I just posted and find that I'm going to point out how here you are again wasting even more time reading a post by me all because you didn't edit your first post. I'm telepathically telling you not to come back to check the post, though, so we'll see if you come back or not.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485710 - 04/23/03 12:23 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

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And a lot of people actually do, without knowing. That explains why controlled telepathy isnt as easy as it sounds in these times. To be able to send or recieve, you need to be able to filter out the bullshit and stuff people throw around. Their is a lot of bullshit going arround, since most people arent conciouss of their capebilities yet, and so the spiritual world is a mess, through which it seems thoughts and feeling occur radomly, which they do becouse people are using it without knowing.

This statement is in direct conflict with shroomism's statement that: "If you want direct communication with no mis-interpretations, it's all about telepathy. "

So which is it; clarity or confusion? You guys need to sort that out.





Well, if you get skillful enough..?
But I havent said anywere that I agreed with what shroomism has said..

Furthermore. Skeptics also practice spiritual powers, just like anyone. So, its not only telepathy which we can fuck up. Actually, the fact that their isnt any scientific proof of the excistence of paranormal powers, can be used to proof the excistence of paranormal powers. I know it sounds wicked, but those hard edged skeptics are just so strong in their believes of the non-excistence of psychic powers that they succeed to just use (unconsiously, probably) their own psychic powers to overpower any psychic ability of those that try to prove their powers. The fact that you, swami, havent had any spirtual experiences (you havent, right?) just proves that your spiritual strength is strong enough to disprove itselve, you use it against itself.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485866 - 04/23/03 01:23 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

If telepathic communication was so "clear" these victims would be able to help authorities find them through messages to their relatives, but such is NOT the case.

Telepathy needs to be developed, before it can be clear. No use or practice of such ability, would obviously lead to nothing. It is a natural ability, in higher states of consciousness, and every human has the ability to use it, just like every human has the ability to play Bach on the piano. That doesn't mean that everyone will try and play the piano, or even think about it.

If you never played backgammon would you think that you couldn't do it?

It is an ability, that needs practice and use to have any validity, just like everything else. You don't start talking the second you are born, you learn to talk.

Now if telepathy was a widely researched topic, heavily covered by the media, and there were many hundreds of schools and such dedicated to teaching and practicing telepathy, then yes, families would use it to find their lost loved ones. Since it is hardly researched or experimented with, their will be very little progress and use in the mainstream until such.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1485894 - 04/23/03 01:38 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

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*Disregards endless number of personalizations so typical of believers...*







Easy Swamster. I read all your posts in this thread and a distinctive tone is present in them. Your comment is personal while dustin's were not.

And Shroomism is having real personal difficulties at this time in his life. Now isn't the time for a "Swami Challenge".

Capish?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486004 - 04/23/03 02:20 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Ow, shroomism, couldnt it actually might be the case that your roommate was just jokingly acting like being hit by your psyball?


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486056 - 04/23/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Your comment is personal while dustin's were not.

Obviously you're not capable...
OK. No personalization there.

Or are you afraid you'll only show your lack of intel on the subject?
No personalization there.

Did that even cross that great skeptical mind of yours?
Nope. Not there either.

You never learn though...
Gee, how could I possibly take that as personal?

My Comment: *Disregards endless number of personalizations so typical of believers...*

This is a generalization for the semantically inclined, not a personalization (besides being true!)

*Swami bans himself for 30 days for improper "tone".*

See you guys! :wink:






   


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Swami]
    #1486120 - 04/23/03 02:47 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Bye Bro. :smile:

I will hold you to this.

Cheerio,


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486268 - 04/23/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Wow M_M... you've just made this place less intelligent.

Good job.


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: Sclorch]
    #1486292 - 04/23/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Actually it was Swami that did that.  He decided to leave instead of alter his behavior.  I hope when he comes back he will think twice about baiting.  I will miss him greatly but I cannot show favoritism, even for close friends. :frown:

Let's not sidetrack this into a scrutiny of moderator action though.  I would hate to have to close this thread.

Cheers, :smile:


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Re: Shroomism's Telepathy Challenge [Re: ]
    #1486315 - 04/23/03 03:42 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

I will have you all know that I do still intend on proceeding with this experiment...but I cannot until I have a reliable internet connection..because as of right now, I can only get online at a friends house or at the library, so I cannot make a set date for this until I can get online whenever I want. Keep in mind I am not doing this for the challenge, or to prove anything.

On a side note though, I am hoping to make it to the gathering in Ohio, where I will hopefully meet lots of Shroomerites, and we can conduct a test there, which in my opinion would be much better, because we can get to know each other personally and emotionally a bit before we proceed.


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