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zappaisgod
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This will all now pass as gas. A broken wind, malodorous yet thankfully brief. Obama played it for as long as he thought he could use it. Now it is done.
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jimbotron
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/04/27/birther-legislation-in-texas-still-a-go.aspx
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Texas state legislator Leo Berman, a Republican, has introduced a bill that would require proof of citizenship from presidential candidates. It's one of many such bills in the states. And according to Sharon Guthrie, Berman's legislative director, the legislation is still needed and the long-form birth certificate released by the White House today does not satisfy its requirements. "What I've seen online, what they produced today, still says certificate of live birth across the top," she told me. And she's right. But why isn't that just a nomenclature issue? Why does it matter? "We want to see a 'birth certificate,'" Guthrie explained. "The one that we have that says 'birth certificate' is from Mombassa, Kenya, with his footprint on it. He has still not produced an American birth certificate."
Nope.
I'll just note that most people misunderstand the idea behind the Big Lie. Goebbels didn't say that people will believe just anything if it's repeated enough. He said that it needed to be a lie of such consequence that learning the truth, and admitting that they believed such a lie, would be too psychologically traumatic to ever happen.
The birthers will double down on the crazy. After all, there has never been a single shred of evidence to support their delusions, and yet their delusions remain. They wouldn't accept a live videotape at this point.
And the Republicans desperately need their votes.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: jimbotron]
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That is actually an effort to stop the Obama perpetuated drama over his place of birth. One which, I might add, was begun by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
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GI_Luvmoney
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Edited by GI_Luvmoney (05/22/11 04:20 PM)
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johnm214


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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Seuss]
#14494803 - 05/22/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The bleat about Obama's birth certificate originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign. The more time that he didn't produce it the more people wondered why. And yes, other candidates and Presidents have had their birth questioned. Most recently Obama's opponent John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal zone. Finally, I'm not sure Donald Trump is even a Republican yet unless he recently registered. He certainly hasn't been one for long.
Kind of a silly comment I'd say. Registering as such with your state has nothing, or should have nothing, to do with what party you claim allegiance to, if any.
In my state you don't even register as a party, just ask for whatever ballot you want, which is what I do.Quote:
Seuss said: > Obviously it's not over.
I wish it would end... I have no love for Obama, but this birther crap gets as old as the WTC conspiracy BS. Focus on the harm the idiot in office has done. There is more than enough of that to go around.
It was stupid even before the release of the birth certificate. I can only assume your right that he refused to release the certificate previously as it helped stoke the crazies and the supporters.
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GI_Luvmoney
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: johnm214]
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zappaisgod
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: johnm214]
#14494940 - 05/22/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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zappaisgod said: The bleat about Obama's birth certificate originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign. The more time that he didn't produce it the more people wondered why. And yes, other candidates and Presidents have had their birth questioned. Most recently Obama's opponent John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal zone. Finally, I'm not sure Donald Trump is even a Republican yet unless he recently registered. He certainly hasn't been one for long.
Kind of a silly comment I'd say. Registering as such with your state has nothing, or should have nothing, to do with what party you claim allegiance to, if any.
In my state you don't even register as a party, just ask for whatever ballot you want, which is what I do.
That, of course, only refers to voting and not running as a candidate. In my state you have to register with the party to even vote in the primary and I think it is idiotic to allow open participation in primaries. Too much opportunity for mischief. I'm not even sure what state Trump lives in and I don't give a fuck. He isn't running.
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learningtofly
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His mom was 18 when she gave birth to him. What a slut?
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Shins
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The long form also has a lot of discrepancies And expert have said it's been photoshopped.
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it's just too crazy to be real, this is why i don't give a fuck about the world trade center being an inside job, the power that be will always rule by proxy, i.e. letting al-qaeda do the whole thing. They are far too good at controlling the world to do so blatantly stupid things, then again, i don't think they are this good at manipulating masses.
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Shins
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communeart said: then again, i don't think they are this good at manipulating masses.
People, especially the upper class have studied human consciousness and manipulation for literally ten thousand years. There are comprehensive occult societies that have been dedicated to this goal for a looooooooooooooong time. Manipulation the masses is the primary goal of leaders and elites,
The whole "they could never be smart enough" argument is moot.
People who think that probably just aren't smart enough themselves.
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: Shins]
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People, especially the upper class have studied human consciousness and manipulation for literally ten thousand years. There are comprehensive occult societies that have been dedicated to this goal for a looooooooooooooong time. Manipulation the masses is the primary goal of leaders and elites,
The whole "they could never be smart enough" argument is moot.
People who think that probably just aren't smart enough themselves.
I didn't mean they could never be smart enough, i meant that they make too many mistakes to be as good as you make it out to be, they are stupid humans just like we are, even if they studied human consciousness to it's every details their science is not perfect. Sometime i feel like the consciousness itself is studied, but an amateur is going through the books and applying it. I think the main point of leaders and elite is to control the whole parliament, and they do it exactly this way.
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johnm214


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zappaisgod said:
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johnm214 said:
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zappaisgod said: The bleat about Obama's birth certificate originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign. The more time that he didn't produce it the more people wondered why. And yes, other candidates and Presidents have had their birth questioned. Most recently Obama's opponent John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal zone. Finally, I'm not sure Donald Trump is even a Republican yet unless he recently registered. He certainly hasn't been one for long.
Kind of a silly comment I'd say. Registering as such with your state has nothing, or should have nothing, to do with what party you claim allegiance to, if any.
In my state you don't even register as a party, just ask for whatever ballot you want, which is what I do.
That, of course, only refers to voting and not running as a candidate. In my state you have to register with the party to even vote in the primary and I think it is idiotic to allow open participation in primaries. Too much opportunity for mischief. I'm not even sure what state Trump lives in and I don't give a fuck. He isn't running.
By "register with the party" you mean state your party affiliation to the state, correct?
I see no reason why open primaries are a problem. I doubt that should even be a government function when your ballot is limited to one party. If parties don't want people to have equal access to the government's selection mechanism than they can nominate their candidates themselves. If they want the government to pay for it, it should be open to all.
Either way the closed primaries are a bit silly in any case, in my opinion, given it only requires some earlier request for a ballot than on election day.
Additionally, these kinds of systems seem to entrench the defacto duopoly in american politics to our collective disadvantage- using government resources to perform the party's function. The election system should, rightly, be party agnostic with no consideration given to them at all.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
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zappaisgod said:
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johnm214 said:
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zappaisgod said: The bleat about Obama's birth certificate originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign. The more time that he didn't produce it the more people wondered why. And yes, other candidates and Presidents have had their birth questioned. Most recently Obama's opponent John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal zone. Finally, I'm not sure Donald Trump is even a Republican yet unless he recently registered. He certainly hasn't been one for long.
Kind of a silly comment I'd say. Registering as such with your state has nothing, or should have nothing, to do with what party you claim allegiance to, if any.
In my state you don't even register as a party, just ask for whatever ballot you want, which is what I do.
That, of course, only refers to voting and not running as a candidate. In my state you have to register with the party to even vote in the primary and I think it is idiotic to allow open participation in primaries. Too much opportunity for mischief. I'm not even sure what state Trump lives in and I don't give a fuck. He isn't running.
By "register with the party" you mean state your party affiliation to the state, correct?
State in writing ahead of time, yes.Quote:
I see no reason why open primaries are a problem. I doubt that should even be a government function when your ballot is limited to one party. If parties don't want people to have equal access to the government's selection mechanism than they can nominate their candidates themselves. If they want the government to pay for it, it should be open to all.
They do have equal access, they just have to sign up ahead of time. Like voter registration in the general election. You cannot register on the day of the election. It's up to the parties in the states whether they want open primaries or not. I prefer closed. Say you have an unopposed incumbent from one party and voters who prefer that person flood the opposition primary to nominate the weakest candidate. I find that a potential problem. Closed primaries don't entirely eliminate that but they do make it harder. Quote:
Either way the closed primaries are a bit silly in any case, in my opinion, given it only requires some earlier request for a ballot than on election day.
Additionally, these kinds of systems seem to entrench the defacto duopoly in american politics to our collective disadvantage- using government resources to perform the party's function. The election system should, rightly, be party agnostic with no consideration given to them at all.
Other parties have primaries, too, and the government pays to tally those votes as well.
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Like I said in another thread last week...
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We have open primaries in Wisconsin and it's a huge clusterfuck.
There are always campaigns by Democrats to vote in the Republican primary and vice versa in order to try to get the candidate you consider easier to defeat as your opponent in the general election.
It almost always happens, there is no real way to tell what kind of effect it has, but it happens.
This is why you need to register as one or the other before you vote in the primary. It's really a good law, I wish we had it here...
Open primaries kind of suck. That said, we also have same-day registration here, which I love. At least, we do currently. The newly elected Republican administration seems to consider it part of their "mandate" to suppress the vote by eliminating same-day registration in order to combat vote fraud. Of course, nobody has any proof that said fraud is actually taking place, but facts schmacts, right?
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GI_Luvmoney
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ChuangTzu
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GI_Luvmoney said: Photoshop Expert And Author Mara Zebest Declares That Obama's Latest Hawaiian Birth Certificate Is A Complete Phony... http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=obama+mara+zebest&cp=17&pq=obama%20births%20certificate%20%20is%20a%20forgery%20globe&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=obama+mara+zebest&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e4d813b43c7d221c
Man, I can't believe I clicked on that. That was beyond a doubt, the shittiest article I've ever tried to read. Anyone who quotes the globe (it isn't even worth using the shift key on) needs to go back to first grade.

Also, why the hell did you post a link to google search results? Were you trying as hard as possible to seem like a moron?
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GI_Luvmoney
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: ChuangTzu]
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You obviously have poor reading skills.
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ChuangTzu
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GI_Luvmoney said: You obviously have poor reading skills.
You obviously have poor everything skills.
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GI_Luvmoney
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Re: Pass the popcorn [Re: ChuangTzu]
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Edited by GI_Luvmoney (05/25/11 04:24 PM)
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