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GroboClone
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: RogueTrippeR]
#14669982 - 06/25/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not Quite Social said: How many logs can you fit in there? Is there an optimal distance to keep between logs and away from walls to maximize the use of space without hurting your grow?
Right now I have the room setup for 16 logs. The only hard limit would be giving the logs enough room so the mushrooms don't bump into the walls/each other as they grow. Also remember the more logs you put in the faster the CO2 will build up, requiring more airflow. You also need enough room to move around so you can actually pick the mushrooms.
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bik123 said: Did i get the steps right? Hmm, when one fills up the bag with straw and Grain Spawn,and packs it tight, it is then taken to the growing room. Then, holes are punctured in the bags and the tempt, humidity, etc are all kept accordingly.
Or does one only puncture the bag after a full colonization?
The holes need to be made soon after the bag is filled. I'm coming to the conclusion that more holes are better. The last grow I did I made some breather holes first and then made more holes to fruit from when introduced to fruiting conditions. The result was mushrooms popping up all over under the plastic requiring me to cut them free. This time I made all holes while still in the incubation room and they seem to be responding. This may be a characteristic of the new varieties but all the mushroom are growing out of the holes I made.
Steps are as follows:
1. Pack straw and spawn into log 2. Let log sit to equalize moisture (2 hours will do) 3. Puncture holes in plastic (I'm using a hunting arrow with 3 blades and around 50 holes per bag) 4. Let log colonize at room temperature (once it gets to 100% give it some extra time to consolidate) 5. Introduce log to fruiting conditions 6. ??? 7. Profit
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Aleon said: Did you calculate the BE for the 1st flush of your pink & phoenix varieties yet? And how many days was it from the 1st flush to the start of the 2nd for those strains?
Haven't bothered with calculating BE. I got 3 lbs form the Pink and 6 lbs from the Phoenix on the first flush. Not great but it's a start.
Neither has started a second flush yet, brand new logs of each have started to fruit.
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GroboClone
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14677164 - 06/26/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it looks like I still don't have conditions quite right for the Blues. They are long stemmed and small. Hopefully I can borrow a CO2 meter this week and try to work on it but most likely I'll have to hold off growing any more Blues until the temperature drops.
The good news is the Phoenix log started its second flush. 7 days from first flush being picked to pinning of the second.
I still have to see how the other logs fare but it looks like Phoenix will be my go-to guy for these hot summer months.

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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14678409 - 06/27/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you put more logs into your room, yes faster co2 build up but you also have to move less air, badically because you have less in there. Your logs are so big that they fill several cubic metres of space, leaving less room for air.
I should read back and see if you are running a fan non stop or not.
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GroboClone
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: NSF]
#14679227 - 06/27/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep, fans are running non-stop. They are on speed controllers and rated for 400 CFM with no static pressure.
I agree with you that the logs take up space, around 1.5 ft³ each. The room is 324 ft³. 16 logs take up 24 ft³ or 7.5% of the room but produce 1600% the CO2 of one. I can't see how that wouldn't require more air.
I have made arrangements to borrow a CO2 meter later this week so I can check my levels.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14681099 - 06/27/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe scale is lost a little bit somewhere in your pics as those logs look bigger than you are suggesting. And sorry but the following is metric, it's the way of the future! (since 1966). :p
So your bags look about 8 inch diameter, so an 8.8cm radius. Square that and multiply by pi and we're up in the 250s odd. Then i guessed your logs are at least 2 foot (60cm) long so all up they are about .15m^3.
Yes, just my guesstimate. I'll go back now to check out your log dimensions.
Edit: 10inch diameter x 3 foot = .34 metres...hmmm, maybe i need to shift that decimal point again. Alright, i'll pipe down now after proving i don't know what i'm talking about.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: NSF]
#14681227 - 06/27/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Posting so I can keep up on this. NICE grow log!! I would love to grow oysters.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: occollegeboi]
#14687224 - 06/28/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The long-stemmed and small cap blues are from high temperatures (not CO2). I'm experiencing the same thing. I have to bring them into my basement (which is at a constant 65F), and then once they pin and are almost dropping spores, then I put them in my window wells to fully grow out. It's a pain, but I only have to do this during the summer. I have to bring the kings in as well- much easier to grow mushrooms when it's COLD!
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: curry]
#14694724 - 06/29/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you don't mind me asking, what did you make off your first flush Whole sale and retail prices please. How many lumen's you running in your fruiting room? May have something to do with fruit size. Nicee grow and good luck.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14695896 - 06/30/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for the steps.
When holes are punched and it is colonizing, does one still have to maintain the humidity around 95-100% in the surrounding room or the moisture inside the bag is good enough for the humidity?
And if so, that means spraying water directly on the holes?
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GroboClone
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: mushroomboro]
#14696631 - 06/30/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still haven't picked up the CO2 meter. I've been out of town for a few days. On the way back I pick up 700 lbs. of rye. I'll have to pick up some more straw next, I'm down to my last 3 bales.
bik123, I've never artificially increased the humidity while the logs were colonizing, the moisture in the bag has always been enough.
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curry said: The long-stemmed and small cap blues are from high temperatures (not CO2). I'm experiencing the same thing. I have to bring them into my basement (which is at a constant 65F), and then once they pin and are almost dropping spores, then I put them in my window wells to fully grow out. It's a pain, but I only have to do this during the summer. I have to bring the kings in as well- much easier to grow mushrooms when it's COLD!
I figured it might be temperature related. I've stopped making new Blue Oyster spawn until I can get this sorted out.
My highest room temperature has been 20°C (68°F). Yours have been responding well to a temperature of 65°F ?
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mushroomboro said: If you don't mind me asking, what did you make off your first flush Whole sale and retail prices please. How many lumen's you running in your fruiting room? May have something to do with fruit size. Nicee grow and good luck.
I'm selling them for $12/lb wholesale and $16/lb retail.
The room gets 12000 Lumens for 12 hours a day.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14697575 - 06/30/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grobo, i would hope that the issues with the blue oysters wouldnt be temperature related due to the fact that on ralphsters site it says fruiting temps60-70F and you were within this range: http://www.ralphstersspores.com/USA/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=255
I just got a blue syringe here, ill let ya know when i get the results cause my temps are the same as yours.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: Aleon]
#14697979 - 06/30/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aleon said: Grobo, i would hope that the issues with the blue oysters wouldnt be temperature related due to the fact that on ralphsters site it says fruiting temps60-70F and you were within this range: http://www.ralphstersspores.com/USA/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=255
Fungi Perfecti will not ship their blue oyster "Patch" (grow bag) during the warmer months, as they will their pearl oyster and other Patches. They say that blue oysters require temperatures of approximately 65 degrees F. to fruit.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: Terry M]
#14700626 - 07/01/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Blues just need more FAE and a higher RH, I have never had the temps to high but with the higher temperatures you need to keep RH around 90%. For your set up Grobo I would stick with the PHY, Pearl and Kings and you won't have to change a thing to get great results. If you want to get the Blues going I think it is mainly a humidity problem, the myc grows so thick with them it locks the water in the logs so when it is time to fruit they need moister from outside the bag.
Great job tackling all those strains at once, I would say your grows are very successful even with the Blues not performing for you.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14700659 - 07/01/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can anyone tell me if the air, that is inside the incubation room was filtered, or normal air would do, once the bag is punched with holes?
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: bik123]
#14700664 - 07/01/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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non-filtered air should be fine as long as it is not to hot or to dry.
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GroboClone
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: RogueTrippeR]
#14711497 - 07/03/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am following Ralph_E's advice and am only making new spawn of Phoenix, Pearl and King.
Temperatures have been acceptable, even with highs of 35°C (95°F) outside the room has been holding at a high of 20°C (68°F).
Blue
It's a shame I can't seem to give these guys what they want. They produce awesome pinsets and grow fast.
Same clusters, two days apart.
 
Golden
The grow has had its first casualties, the Golden Oyster log I put in the fruiting room 8 days ago has developed green mold. The other Golden Oyster log in the incubation room doesn't look so good either. Both have been tossed.
Grey
Much like the Blues these require more FAE than I can get right now. They have only produce a few mushrooms in small clusters.

King
The speed of colonization has picked up. G2G jars are colonizing in under a week.
The Kings look just like the Pearl I have grown previously. They are growing nice and slow and should produce some large meaty mushrooms.
The pictures of the log were taken two days apart.
  
Pearl
I've yet to fruit a Pearl log this grow but it has given some nice fruits in the past.
Phoenix
Nice clusters and lots of them. I picked around half the mushrooms from this 1st flush and let the small ones grow a bit more. I was late picking the second half of the flush so these are overmature.

Pink
Performs well in my conditions. Very light and delicate mushrooms. Has a strange taste and doesn't store well.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: GroboClone]
#14711538 - 07/03/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: Dragonaut]
#14711837 - 07/03/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's a really great summary Grobo. Nice and simple break down and gives a great perspective to the newb grower as to why their grow might not be going too well. It could be species or it could be fruitin condition fussiness. Thank you very much for sharing the pics and results.
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: NSF]
#14712721 - 07/03/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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WOW Thats a good price. Wonder what the states price wound be? Don't think I could get that here. I'm thinking $10 retail. Anyone on here selling oyster in the states. Trying to see if it would be worth it?
Those look awesome! So the pinks don't keep as long, that's good to know. The Phoenix sp. seems to be doing the best. How many logs do you make a day and what is your daily/weekly yields from that amount of logs? Good work man keep it up!
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Re: Oyster Grow-Off (Blue, Golden, Grey, King, Pearl, Pheonix, Pink) [Re: mushroomboro]
#14719106 - 07/05/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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How does one spray water in the holes,to the mushroom directly when it is growing?
Once the 1st flush is harvested, does the 2nd flush comes out just like that? Or a rest period is required?
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