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New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today
#14498049 - 05/23/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Outdoor-Smoking-Ban-Goes-into-Effect-Monday-122415979.html
The city's outdoor smoking ban officially goes into effect Monday, and violators who are caught puffing away at parks, plazas and beaches could get fined $50.
Smokers were getting their last puffs in at Union Square Park Sunday, though some were skeptical the new law would be effective.
"A lot of people smoke," said Michael Deleon DeJesus. "What are you going to do, hand out a million tickets in one day?"
Dennis White, also a smoker, told NBC New York, "I think in restaurants, in stores, everything like that, it's a good law because you're in a building. But outside, I mean, you got all the smog. What's a cigarette gonna do?"
City health leaders say it will protect New Yorkers from secondhand smoke in what they call family-friendly places.
Mohamed Hussein said he and his 7-1/2-month pregnant wife support the smoking ban.
"We just don't like smoking in public," he said. "I have a baby right now. I don't like my wife standing near a smoking person."
The city plans television and print ads to get the word out about the ban but for the most part is relying on the public to enforce the law.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14498095 - 05/23/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yay for smoking Nazi's. This whole secondhand smoke thing is really misguided. I think you get more lung polution from car exhaust than a tiny smouldering cigarette ember.
I love to smoke cigars, I am very considerate never to stand right next to someone downwind and puff away. That is all smokers need to do, no neo-fascist laws needed.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: demon66]
#14498180 - 05/23/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"A lot of people smoke," said Michael Deleon DeJesus. "What are you going to do, hand out a million tickets in one day?"
Oh the irony.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: AltecLansing]
#14498365 - 05/23/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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They already hand out a million tickets for "public display" of marijuana. I'm sure the fine Nazi cops of NYC would gleefully do the same for smoking cigs outside.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: demon66]
#14498399 - 05/23/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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[...] I am very considerate never to stand right next to someone downwind and puff away. [...]
That's nice that you do that, but there is a large percentage of smokers that just don't give a fuck, at least where I come from.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: p_walter]
#14498417 - 05/23/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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[...] I am very considerate never to stand right next to someone downwind and puff away. [...]
That's nice that you do that, but there is a large percentage of smokers that just don't give a fuck, at least where I come from.
Yeah, I have to agree here, smokers really don't get the full effect of stale cigarette smoke smell in the vestibule of an apartment building. I've heard a few smokers say "Really? I don't smell anything."
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: p_walter] 1
#14498433 - 05/23/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That doesn't mean that you can ban smoking outdoors cuz of some inconsiderate people. Just ask them to move next time.
I'm a considerate smoker, and I don't want to be harrassed and ticketed by police.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: demon66]
#14498578 - 05/23/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what. a. fail.
i bet 20 years ago people would be fighting this. Guess were just used to losing civil liberties these days.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: collie man]
#14499179 - 05/23/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"We just don't like smoking in public," he said. "I have a baby right now. I don't like my wife standing near a smoking person."
I wonder if this guy ever tried walking 10 feet in the other direction before
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14499555 - 05/23/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Please this is a stupid law. You'll get non smokers who will complain, how It's such a bad and disgusting habit but who knows maybe people find thier stupid habits disgusting. Maybe I should bitch that people who have the disgusting habit of biting thier nails off or talking with thier mouths full or chew with thier mouths open or blow thier nose in the middle of a resturant and get those banned as well, people are too fucking bored.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Bretdaniel]
#14499638 - 05/23/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so lol i dont get it only people who have backyards are allowed to smoke??
how the fuck do you smoke a ciggerette
people at my college smoke and i dont give a flying fuck its not like im in a car with the windows rolled down i take my ass and move it in another direction whats the big fucking deal?
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14499679 - 05/23/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ehh but yea when girls are pregnant the smokers always seem like the last to find out
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14500674 - 05/23/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: ehh but yea when girls are pregnant the smokers always seem like the last to find out
well if she's not showing then how is anybody suppose to know?
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: GuruBushHippie]
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14506352 - 05/24/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you folks ever stop to think that maybe all of this "second hand smoke" malarkey is completely trumped up to support the insanely huge (and growing) taxes on cigarettes? Do you realize that the government profits more off of cigarettes than the "evil tobaccos companies" do? Do you not have a problem with this?
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: setb] 1
#14506465 - 05/24/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blown out of proportion completely. Second hand smoke doesn't do shit, you're living in NYC for christs sake, go tell all the factories and motorists to stop production. See how that works out for you.
For fucks sake, a person is outside smoking what do you want them to do? Go inside and die for CO2 poisoning.
I'm a smoker myself, so this might be a bit biased, but if you don't like the 'smell' of cigarette smoke so much you're going to lobby laws for it, man the fuck up you pussy ass faggot.
That is all.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: setb]
#14506695 - 05/24/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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setb said: Do you folks ever stop to think that maybe all of this "second hand smoke" malarkey is completely trumped up to support the insanely huge (and growing) taxes on cigarettes? Do you realize that the government profits more off of cigarettes than the "evil tobaccos companies" do? Do you not have a problem with this?
Second hand smoke is a real danger if your a growing child, who, say, lives with two parents that smoke all day in a closed up home. THAT is when second hand smoke is a danger...people who you see on the street who freak out when the smell of a cigarette even gets near them...yea they are the dbags who support this kind of legislation 
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14507989 - 05/25/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ciggerrete smoke narrows tha arteries walls permanantly and people who smoke outside usually look like fucking idiots, they pay ten dollers a pack jus to sit there and poisen themselves with radiation no one being a pussy ass faget, people make such a big fucking deal when a ciggerrette smoker dies after putting 200 plus chemicals in their lungs for decades err im sorry but those type of people wont be missed
and this ban is only in parks and beaches
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14508020 - 05/25/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: ciggerrete smoke narrows tha arteries walls permanantly and people who smoke outside usually look like fucking idiots, they pay ten dollers a pack jus to sit there and poisen themselves with radiation no one being a pussy ass faget, people make such a big fucking deal when a ciggerrette smoker dies after putting 200 plus chemicals in their lungs for decades err im sorry but those type of people wont be missed
and this ban is only in parks and beaches
So everyone that smokes won't be missed?
I hope you're on some really good shit. Because what you just said is really fucked.
http://www.smokersassociation.org/famous-smokers-encyclopedia
If you're sober right now and some *ahem* chemicals are not affecting your judgement, you're fucked in the head.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: saxx]
#14508189 - 05/25/11 02:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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im fucked in the head for not curbing my life expectancy and enjoying all the benefits of ciggerette smoke because i dont smoke and im fuck in the head
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14508304 - 05/25/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No you are fucked in the head for putting worth on human life.
Who cares how someone died? They will surely be missed by someone.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: vandago]
#14508586 - 05/25/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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vandago said: No you are fucked in the head for putting worth on human life.
Who cares how someone died? They will surely be missed by someone.
Thank you
And to aiyobro, yea your speakin' quick and not thinking but yea you saying that makes you a big asshole so what its unhealthy and its bad, im not a smoker anymore, but fuck you for being such a pretentious douche about it ~
Other than that yea were cool  
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14508972 - 05/25/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it's pretty clear that this ban has nothing to do with second hand smoke.
It's about deterring smoking. Period. The more hassle it is to smoke, the less you will.
Smoking regulations are about balancing the rights of others (societal benefits) vs. individual liberties (the right to smoke). I don't think individual freedoms always trump those of the masses. Where you draw the line though, is never clear.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: badchad]
#14511603 - 05/25/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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badchad said: Smoking regulations are about balancing the rights of others (societal benefits) vs. individual liberties (the right to smoke). I don't think individual freedoms always trump those of the masses. Where you draw the line though, is never clear.
It is pretty clear where to draw the line.
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It's about deterring smoking. Period. The more hassle it is to smoke, the less you will.
Right here. It isn't the government's place to act as nanny; people should be responsible for themselves. If they want to eat transfats, smoke, and drink that is their business.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: Konyap]
#14511678 - 05/25/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: ciggerrete smoke narrows tha arteries walls permanantly and people who smoke outside usually look like fucking idiots, they pay ten dollers a pack jus to sit there and poisen themselves with radiation no one being a pussy ass faget, people make such a big fucking deal when a ciggerrette smoker dies after putting 200 plus chemicals in their lungs for decades err im sorry but those type of people wont be missed
and this ban is only in parks and beaches
Really? I pay 3.50 a pack first of all. Second of all, if I want to fill mu lungs with toxins it's my perogative and it's not your place to dictate that choice. What a pile.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: setb]
#14511838 - 05/25/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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setb said: It is pretty clear where to draw the line.
Really? where? Because at some point, society pays for an individual's actions.
Smoking is an enormous societal cost. Billions spent each year on healthcare costs related to smoking. This burden is transferred onto society.
Most people don't give a shit if you smoke. I certainly don't care if you get lung cancer. What I DO care about, is when your 60 and show up in the ER coughing up a lung without insurance. I care because I PAY for it.
However, we obviously cannot and do not limit any and all adverse behaviors. So again, the question is "where do we draw the line".
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: badchad]
#14512827 - 05/25/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This has nothing to do with anything except getting another revenue stream started for the government.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: badchad]
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setb said: It is pretty clear where to draw the line.
Really? where? Because at some point, society pays for an individual's actions.
Smoking is an enormous societal cost. Billions spent each year on healthcare costs related to smoking. This burden is transferred onto society.
Most people don't give a shit if you smoke. I certainly don't care if you get lung cancer. What I DO care about, is when your 60 and show up in the ER coughing up a lung without insurance. I care because I PAY for it.
However, we obviously cannot and do not limit any and all adverse behaviors. So again, the question is "where do we draw the line".
You pay for it in this way because Americans are to stubborn and ignorant to want to change the state of our health care system. You still do not have the right to dictate what others do to themselves or what lines should be drawn in terms of their personal "burden" on the health care system.
Single Payer FTW
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: No you are fucked in the head for putting worth on human life.
Who cares how someone died? They will surely be missed by someone.

Even if their death is due directly to their own stupidity.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: NetDiver]
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people with serious allergies get fucked by second hand smoke... and every douche who refuses to move downwind or wait a minute. i feel for parks and beaches this is an OK move.
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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Knewnews said: people with serious allergies get fucked by second hand smoke... and every douche who refuses to move downwind or wait a minute. i feel for parks and beaches this is an OK move.
Thats such an unimportant concern I cant even begin to tell you.
I have sever allergies; if a smoker is blowing smoke in my face, they usually apologize and move....
NO allergies are so "serious" that they mandate banning smoking OUTSIDE, that's straight up retarded~
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Re: New York - Outdoor Smoking Ban Goes into Effect Today [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14516410 - 05/26/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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who cares its only in recreational places people shouldnt even have to say it
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