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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: liali]
    #14497476 - 05/23/11 02:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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actually I think these might have those striations after all



k..these are active (crazy nut said he'd bioassay them)..Deconicas might need a new genus..plus they were bruising massively..anybody have another idea?  try not referring to the list of known species in Virginia since I don't think they are

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: liali]
    #14497489 - 05/23/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

fairly potent it looks like too..only took one dry and part of a wet cap..and they are < 2.5 cm in diameter to begin with so...any other guesses?

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: liali]
    #14497554 - 05/23/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1 - 2) Hygrocybe
3 - 4) Gymnopus dryophilus
5) Russula
6 - 7) maybe Deconica, check the spore print color
8) Russula

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elprawn said:
6, 7 - Deconica montana?




No, it doesn't grow gregariously like that.

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maynardjameskeenan said:
god I wonder if these are ever active?




No.

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do you see the small green spot on the cap of the one laying on its side?




No.

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It is a psilocybe after all.




No.

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Maybe the ones that were tested were not active but that doesn't mean that all patches are inactive, does it?




Yes.

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liali said:
no kidding? did deconica used to be psilocybe genus?  maybe bioassay them after all..I'll let you know




Please don't eat them until they are positively identified.

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maynardjameskeenan said:
what about variation in species and genetic mutations? If they are the same genus that would mean that they share a common ancestor correct?




All mushrooms share a common ancestor.

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I thought some active mushroom that in other locations were inactive.




If that is the case I would strongly suspect that they are not the same mushroom.  Definitely not the same strain.

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psilocybe montana, in other words... even though I probably don't want to to take any..I am just confused as to how people come to a conclusion, especially on the internet about what a given specimen is...




I am confused about that too.  Does not look like Psilocybe montana to me.

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Ok..so if they do "contain psilocybin" which I don't have the equipment to determine, but they do cause qualitative mental differences and differences in vision, and thoughts which  subjectively seem similar to what people claim the effects of psilocybe mushrooms are, are they psilocybes..that is the question





There are about 7 genera of mushrooms that contain psilocybin.  The trait seems to have evolved independently several times. 

Just because it has psilocybin does not throw it into the genus Psilocybe.

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Deconica are in Deconica precisely because they are not active




It is not because they are not active, it is because they are not closely related.

They also happen to be non-active.

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and about Rhodocollybia also




No they are Gymnopus dryophilus.

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I thought the rules were just there so we could abuse n00bs? :laugh:




That is true.


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k..these are active (crazy nut said he'd bioassay them)




I don't think that is a good idea until these are positively identified.

"Deconicas might need a new genus"

Why?  They just got a new genus.

"plus they were bruising massively."

What color?

"anybody have another idea?"

What is the spore print color?

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14497709 - 05/23/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Frankly, i tried these after thinking they were safe and they seem to be what I would call active. stupid I know..but I trusted the people who said D. montana and thought that bruising (which is dark and purplish an a soppy, wet brown stem) might indicate psilocin or another oxidizing compound. When I say active, I just mean that there were different mental impressions, more light phenomena (perhaps just neural discharges..not forms other than bright perceptions light temporary headlight-like impressions, not strictly "seen", just perceived)..generally a weak version of what I imagine people experience from "active" mushrooms..but I only took 2 to 3 mushrooms..so I wasn't expecting much at all and the head buzz lasted 4 to 6 hours.

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: liali]
    #14497724 - 05/23/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



several spore prints

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: liali]
    #14497739 - 05/23/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)





in the bottom photo, the mushroom split down the middle (maybe hard to see, but a pine needle is pointing at it), the color in the middle of the stalk is the color of the bruising..until they were handled/picked, there was a semi-dry membrane, sort of fibrillous that lightened the stalk color. Once handled, that membrane was pressed against the dark inner stalk and began to show through..not sure if that counts as bruising

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    #14497752 - 05/23/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

basically just admitting to world that I rather inadvertently took hallucinogenic shrooms..but now they are basically rotted and some of the drier ones on the patch are a completely different color (basically indistinguishable from galerinas, to me) so I threw all those out

kept a few of them..:mrt:

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14497884 - 05/23/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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1 - 2) Hygrocybe
3 - 4) Gymnopus dryophilus
5) Russula
6 - 7) maybe Deconica, check the spore print color
8) Russula





thanks - I was hoping to determine the edibility of 3 and 4 and it looks to be edible

might try a few because they looked appetizing and wikipedia says they are generally considered edible

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Re: actives ID? probably not, but just curious [Re: liali]
    #14498580 - 05/23/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thanks Alan :thumbup:


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