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We should stop calling psychedelics drugs
    #14497630 - 05/23/11 04:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Medicine could work, but I don't think people are ready for that realization. Substance sounds too sterile.

We need something easy to say that represents the responsible, well adjusted, happy core of this community and others like it.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: healing]
    #14497633 - 05/23/11 04:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they have worked on this already


Entheogens


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14497664 - 05/23/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Neurotransmitters even.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14497668 - 05/23/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

...still drugs tho....:bigblunt:


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: healing]
    #14497758 - 05/23/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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In pharmacology, a drug is "a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being."




Doesn't sound very negative to me. :shrug:

I know what you're getting at, but the change in the way people classify these things to themselves won't happen just by changing what we call them.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14497915 - 05/23/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so food is a drug  n0? im pushing for a ban on chocolate cake!


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: eckhem]
    #14497935 - 05/23/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know....I prefer drugs, because that is what they are.

They can also be medicines, if you treat them like medicines.

Entheogens sounds nice, too


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14499931 - 05/23/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DosileFlynn said:
they have worked on this already
Entheogens




That word is too obscure to the non psychedelic using public. It needs to be something that everyone knows, short and catchy.

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Oweyervishice said:
Quote:

In pharmacology, a drug is "a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being."




Doesn't sound very negative to me. :shrug:

I know what you're getting at, but the change in the way people classify these things to themselves won't happen just by changing what we call them.




It may not sound negative to you, but to most people drugs are, "Bad, mmkay."

What I'm getting at is that we need better PR. We need lobbyists, pundits and normal, well spoken, level headed people who advocate for the decriminalization or legalization of psychedelics.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: healing] * 1
    #14500081 - 05/23/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's not a problem with the word drug, its a problem with the perception of drugs.  Ever been in an argument about drugs that went something like this?

"Drugs are bad."
"What about legal drugs?  Prescription drugs?"
"No, those aren't bad because they're not the same kind of drugs."
or
"Those aren't bad because they're legal."

I'm sure most of you have talked about this.  The fact of the matter is that the word drug encompasses everything from psychedelics to opiates to antidepressants to common pain medication like acetaminophen.  Even illicit drugs encompass everything from Marijuana and psychedelics to more potentially dangerous and addictive drugs like crystal meth and heroin.  Entheogens sounds like a less menacing word only because people don't know what it means.  You then define it by saying they are commonly hallucinogenic and mostly illegal, and now you've looped back to the word drug and you've got the same perceptions.

Rather than arguing semantics, we should be working to dispel myths and spread unbiased information.  That's not to say we go around saying drugs aren't bad and that psychedelics don't have dangers; we need to explain what the dangers really are, because I'm willing to bet most people think the danger is physiological, that is, LSD makes your brain bleed and such.  People think they know everything about drugs because they heard somebody went insane on LSD, and all of the sudden they're convinced LSD is bad because it makes you go insane.  Real information needs to be more readily available, rather than the extremes of pro and anti drug propagandas.  Instead of injecting opinions into information, people need to hear the facts and judge for themselves.

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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14500253 - 05/23/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

call it God's creation:D


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: healing]
    #14500261 - 05/23/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think it should be a natural process. Psychedelics don't need to be pushed on people by a better PR/lobbyists/pundits/etc. 
Psychedelics are for those who seek them, so I'm ok with an underground status. Time will come when more people are ready for them, for now this is the way things are. Let it happen on its own.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Zzzarathustra]
    #14500277 - 05/23/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm with VicariousGreg.

I think that a better approach is to expand the use of the word "drug" to include everyday substances that are socially acceptable like caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, asprin, etc...

Maybe at your office, start referring to your coffee break as your "stimulant drug break"... see how people react. :shrug:


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14501196 - 05/23/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What about not saying 'high' in relation to hallucinogens?

Trip or experience.... High is not what I feel...

Pot might make you high, or even coke or opium... Mushrooms are different

Just thought I would through it out... Agree, 'drugs' is wrong but agree probably not going to change that, probably easier to end the prohibition on them....


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: HarryL]
    #14501232 - 05/23/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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HarryL said:
What about not saying 'high' in relation to hallucinogens?

Trip or experience.... High is not what I feel...

Pot might make you high, or even coke or opium... Mushrooms are different

Just thought I would through it out... Agree, 'drugs' is wrong but agree probably not going to change that, probably easier to end the prohibition on them....




Pot gets me stoned, shrooms get me high, and drugs are good.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: muistrue]
    #14501415 - 05/23/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, drug is the perfect word.

This is coming from a medicinal chemist and medical student....

drug = chemical used as a medicine

EDIT: Vicarious got it. See above! :smile:


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: ComaDivine]
    #14501476 - 05/23/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It doesn't matter if drug is the correct word to use, saying it immediately causes an uninformed person to close their mind to anything else you have to say. There is no way to continue a conversation with a person who has been brainwashed by anti-drug propaganda.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: healing]
    #14501501 - 05/23/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Drugs are a good blanket kinda word for all psychoactive shit.

Everyone will always bring their own stereotypes to the perception of psychedellics, until major public opinion changes regarding drugs.

I think we should start calling alcohol a drug.

"Alcohol and drugs" i hear that too god damn often.

Labels aren't what we need, education is.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: dubsideofthemoon]
    #14501891 - 05/23/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

education is the answer ? how do you propose to educate someone about something that is abhorent to them , do you make them read a mckenna book and hope thats enough to change thier mind ?
you cant preach to or "educate" someone who has already made up thier mind .  good luck trying though .


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: atomicshaman]
    #14501913 - 05/23/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't mean education as just educate those that don't get it and it'll be all good.

I meant a system of education where people are taught from an early age the costs and benefits of drugs, where drug use is treated as an education and health problem, and not a criminal problem exacerbated by bullshit lies based in politics and not science.

The stereotype is ingrained in society, and we need to educate it out of society, and it'll be a slow process if it happens. We can't just expect people that already have their own beliefs to change them straight away. We need to change the factors that lead to these beliefs in the first place.

Sorry if I was vague in my first post, I should have elaborated.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: dubsideofthemoon]
    #14501998 - 05/23/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i hope your idea catches on , i just dont like the word "education" anymore , it is used mostly by journalists and politicians that really mean " believe our version of reality "  "we are the experts of everything" . i know that wasnt the context of your meaning .
i dont think the general population will ever accept psychedelics , these drugs/medicines are too much for a closed or brainwashed mind .


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: atomicshaman] * 2
    #14502093 - 05/23/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We should stop calling vegetables food. Because cheese is food and it isn't as healthy for you as vegetables. And we don't want people to get confused. Obviously if cheese is food then food is bad and vegetables can not be food. Can you see what I'm getting at here?

We should stop calling dogs animals because lions are vicious.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: drr]
    #15342896 - 11/09/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What bothers me most is when people call refer to psychedelics as hallucinogens when the visual aspect for most substances is not so substantial. I like to refer to all the compounds by their name or chemical abbreviation because I don't like much vagueness.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: JC_Stanton]
    #15343314 - 11/09/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Soul Enhancers.

hmmm

doesn't change anything, i like the idea but as you already stated 'drugs are bad mmkay'. So no matter what they're called people are gonna think 'they're bad mmkay'.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: drr]
    #15343316 - 11/09/11 05:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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drr said:
We should stop calling vegetables food. Because cheese is food and it isn't as healthy for you as vegetables. And we don't want people to get confused. Obviously if cheese is food then food is bad and vegetables can not be food. Can you see what I'm getting at here?

We should stop calling dogs animals because lions are vicious.




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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Leenguy]
    #15343372 - 11/09/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Leenguy said:
Soul Enhancers.

hmmm

doesn't change anything, i like the idea but as you already stated 'drugs are bad mmkay'. So no matter what they're called people are gonna think 'they're bad mmkay'.




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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: healing]
    #15343382 - 11/09/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ditto Power-ups.


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Re: We should stop calling psychedelics drugs [Re: Mario_x86-64]
    #15343488 - 11/09/11 06:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i mean... they really are drugs. i think the best think to do would be to change the stigma on drugs. it's kind of stupid how ignorant people lump all drugs together as if they're equals.


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