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Offlinechemicalrocker1
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casing problems
    #1449754 - 04/11/03 02:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

-24 jars lost after using 50/50 casing tek
brands:
franks vermiculite
canadian sphagnum peat

put mycelium covered grain into a tray, sterilized casing layer, cased 1-2" deep.
Lost everything. to green mold and cobweb. Mycelium did not grow through casing after 2 weeks

2nd trial:

12 jars did some experiments:
temp 86, hum:98% no air exchange.
used only vermiculite:
very little casing permeation

50/50 with oyster shell
added one part powdered oyster shell induced cobweb mold
jars began turning yellow so I turned down temp to 80F
Been 6 days no growth, mycelium varies from abnormal to healthy between jars.
can't figure out the problem. Too dry? Too wet? pH?
What are some more reasons why this mycelium is not growing through?
Why doesn't it grow through the vermiculite.
When the casing was squeezed before laying down, some water came out, just like stamets says.
Help
thanks in advance
what are some good brands to use with 50/50? Where can I buy calcium carbonate?


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Re: casing problems [Re: chemicalrocker1]
    #1449780 - 04/11/03 02:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

cased 1-2" deep.




The casing layer is too deep. Try making it 1/2-3/4" deep.


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Re: casing problems [Re: z@z.com]
    #1449811 - 04/11/03 03:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

forgot to mention that, in my new trial, I cased 1", even so, there should be at least some growth, there is none that I can see.


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Re: casing problems [Re: chemicalrocker1]
    #1449831 - 04/11/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

put grain into trays, incubate 2-3 days to allow mycelium to recover(knit together) .
then case, 1/4" of casing per 1" of substrate .


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Re: casing problems [Re: deanofmean]
    #1450036 - 04/11/03 04:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Might be too wet, but its too late now. Don't mist anymore and see what happens :smile:


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Re: casing problems [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1452521 - 04/12/03 03:03 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

could there be something wrong with the peat moss?


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Edited by chemicalrocker1 (04/12/03 03:04 PM)


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Re: casing problems [Re: chemicalrocker1]
    #1452530 - 04/12/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

could there be something wrong with the peat moss?




I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, could be. But my advice would be to just let it dry out a bit and see what happens. When my friend has gotten things too wet, he's had problems.

You *could* replace the casing layer with just verm or deep scratch.

There are a lot of ifs' in mush cult.


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Re: casing problems [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1457137 - 04/14/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

are you pressure cooking your casing material?


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Re: casing problems [Re: Sailcheese]
    #1457834 - 04/14/03 07:34 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

all casing material has been sterilized for an hour


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Re: casing problems [Re: chemicalrocker1]
    #1458024 - 04/14/03 08:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

if you mean sterilized, in that you held it in boiling water for awhile, then that could be why. what you have to do is PASTEURIZE at 160-175 (and no higher than) inside a pillowcase in a pot of water at 170 for 30-40 min and you should be good.


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Re: casing problems [Re: jakeholman]
    #1473138 - 04/19/03 02:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

everything was sterilized at 15 psi for 50 minutes it has been a week and the substrate was put into trays. vermiculite was laid down for casing. A small portion of the substrate to see if there was any contamination after 4 days. None. The mycelium appears to be coming back. think that tempurature was a problem because one of the two jars not used in the trays was kept because some green mold started appearing. This mold is almost dissappeared now since the temp was turned down. But it has been one day less than a week and nothing is poking through the 1/2" vermiculite layer. The substrate is 3" deep in the tray. temp 80, humidity 99% plan on decreasing the humidity. also laid 1/2" layer of perlite on the bottom. Thinking about starting over clean....


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Edited by chemicalrocker1 (04/19/03 02:25 PM)


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Re: casing problems [Re: chemicalrocker1]
    #1473342 - 04/19/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

humidity is too high fo a casing... try to get it to about 86%


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