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Cactilove
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Cheese grating your lungs! DMT
#14497510 - 05/23/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have heard smoking freebase DMT after being extracted using lye can tear the shit out of your lungs because the DMT freebase itself, even after freeze precip registers around 11 or 12 ph. This in my understanding is to basic to safely ingest. Is this true?
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fungusmuncher
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Cactilove]
#14497939 - 05/23/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's never seemed to mess with my lungs much, they never hurt and I don't seem short of breath or anything. Usually after I come back from a trip my lungs seem clearer than after a bong hit of ganja or a cigarette. I don't smoke it a lot though, maybe once a month or so, but there were times where I smoked a few times in one day and didn't notice any negative respiratory effects.
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StanVillain
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My lungs are dying after a hit of DMT but 15secs later I'm good. I don't feel it after that and when the trip is over, my lung feels fine.
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: StanVillain]
#14498280 - 05/23/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you're concerned about the lye you can always just use food safe teks. I'd recommend you look at Q21Q21's dry tek. Also I believe you can do an "acid wash" with vinegar, but I've never done that, so you'll have to look into that one yourself. I've had many daily smoking periods where I wouldn't miss a day and sometimes blast off several times in a day. I don't notice any difference to my lungs (also use the Glass Vapor Genie [GVG] and that helps with the harshness and all).
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Cactilove]
#14498355 - 05/23/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cactilove said: I have heard smoking freebase DMT after being extracted using lye can tear the shit out of your lungs because the DMT freebase itself, even after freeze precip registers around 11 or 12 ph. This in my understanding is to basic to safely ingest. Is this true?
how did you measure the ph of your dmt crystals?
or are you just spouting information with no sources.
but as said above.
look for "foodsafe" teks
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: k00laid]
#14498469 - 05/23/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DMT is some harsh shit. i always smoke it from the meth pipe style of pipes. tears my shit up every time. sometimes im trying not to puke while having a full blown DMT flash. ive always been able to hold it down until i come down somewhat. then i cant stop coughing shit up... my lungs arent made for DMT smoke.
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mattritt
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Ajaxx]
#14498839 - 05/23/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Invest in a Glass Vapor Genie, I can't even feel the vapor usually. Its the intense onset that gets to me usually. But I love the spice!! My favorite compound for sure.
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Cactilove
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: k00laid]
#14498916 - 05/23/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You dissolve xtals in water and test the ph of the water foo!
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Cactilove
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: k00laid]
#14498923 - 05/23/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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And I probably will never care enough to put down sources.
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k00laid
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Cactilove]
#14498951 - 05/23/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cactilove said: And I probably will never care enough to put down sources.
then i'll be on my way
just dont expect to be taken seriously without them :S
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: k00laid]
#14503954 - 05/24/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Freebase n-n-dmt isn't very water soluble, is it? Whatever the case, I couldn't imagine the pH is anything too crazy. From my limited chemistry knowledge, the compound doesn't have the properties required for an alkaline substance to do much of its alkaline thing. (I'm just an apprentice of a grumpy old warlock, but we get to knock about a bit of alchemy once in a while when he's in the mood). It's a base, but not a strong one.
I heard that if dmt smells/tastes horrible, if the vapors are really harsh, etc., then it is being burned in addition to being vaporized. They say that even relatively impure dark yellow spice is very mild when properly vaporized. If you vaporize it properly, the vapor does not feel like anything, and at most the taste is faint and if there's a bit of yellow oil present in the spice, it might have a bit of benign flavor.
They say that some folks can master the lightbulb or tweak pipe, but it's tricky, so other methods like herb sandwiches, vaporizer pipes, or infused leaf are preferred.
I further heard that you can blast off without seeming to inhale anything what-so-ever, especially with a classic or glass VG. Load spice onto a stack of screens in the VG, apply heat, slowly, steadily hit, hold forever, and kick back. No visible residue on the screens when finished, maybe a tiny bit of oily film. Hit the "empty" pipe again an hour later and say "wow...teeheehee...feels good man!"
...but you can never believe everything you read on the internet...
As far as lungs are concerned, I've experienced a bit of an expectorant effect with vaped yellow dmt. I attribute that to the impurities, oils, etc, but that's just a guess. It's actually not unpleasant, just a "productive cough" which is a nice thing for a heavy cig smoker. I can always breathe better for few hours after such things.
Edited by abica (05/24/11 01:33 PM)
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JohnnyConverse
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: abica]
#14503982 - 05/24/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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most of this thread would be dead if that smoke was ph 12 so I'm thinking it probably isn't
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mattritt
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: abica]
#14503988 - 05/24/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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^^^Exactly that abica, great post!!
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Edited by mattritt (05/24/11 11:49 AM)
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abica
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: mattritt]
#14504090 - 05/24/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmm. Some folks reading this thread might want to gain a little basic chemistry knowledge- I had to look this up after posting to know what's what regarding alkalinity. Oh, and according to the wikipedia article, basicity is different than alkalinity. Interesting. I guess I should have taken a chem class!
http://anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkalinity
Not exactly "mandatory" knowledge, but greater understanding helps one move forward.
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: abica]
#14504105 - 05/24/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you can vaporize well for about 5 bucks if you build a Key
Some say it looks ghetto I prefer to think it looks post industrial
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abica
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Yeah they say that's a great tool! Personally, I'ma-gonna build one sometime soon- planning on some infused blue lily and caapi leaf (or somesuch) and I have a feeling a key in a nice little acrylic bong would be a beautiful thing.
For you folks not in the know, the key is basically a vape chamber with multiple screens on the bottom, going into a downtube for the bong slide. Atop this device sits another screen- it acts like the flame filter in the VG. It's made of appropriately-sized pipe fittings and looks like a creation from the state champion high school homemade pipe dude.
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: abica]
#14504261 - 05/24/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you build one use a longer tube than the stock tek says - a little more than a foot at least. I used about 14 inches and built a little set of brackets out of a lab clamp so I could hold it in my left hand and light with the other and still get nice cool smoke. USE the rag they recommend for cooling!
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Lostkeys
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Or if you're worried about what's in your spice you could do a sodium carbonate wash, or recrystallize?
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Lostkeys]
#14504880 - 05/24/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah why not just clean it up?
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Cactilove]
#14505360 - 05/24/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No matter what extraction method you use, the final, "smokable" - actually vaporizable product is freeBASE DMT. It is called a freeBASE for a reason. There's no getting around it...the final product is strongly basic. It has NOTHING to do with the lye used in the extraction.
If you find the vapor objectionable, it is highly likely you are overheating it. Freebase DMT vaporizes as a shockingly low temperature. If you just can't seem to get your smoking tek down, there is a somewhat expensive, but awesome solution...a glass VaporGenie. That thing is worth its weight in gold. I pissed and moaned about paying the $100 price, but DAMN...there's nothing like it.
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Nature Boy]
#14505539 - 05/24/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thread title is like government propaganda lol.
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Cactilove
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: abica]
#14529985 - 05/29/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the type of answer I was looking for thankyou
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Cactilove
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Nature Boy]
#14529989 - 05/29/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks NB!
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Cactilove
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Lostkeys]
#14530017 - 05/29/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think a wash and re-x would greatley reduce basicity. Maybe if someone knew a lab technique to neutralize and than have it still remain smokable. I don't know much about chemistry or alchemy though, I am still learning. Does the dmt have to be highly basic in order to vaporize or can it be slightly basic.
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Edited by Cactilove (05/29/11 10:15 AM)
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Nature Boy]
#14530991 - 05/29/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: No matter what extraction method you use, the final, "smokable" - actually vaporizable product is freeBASE DMT. It is called a freeBASE for a reason. There's no getting around it...the final product is strongly basic. It has NOTHING to do with the lye used in the extraction.
If you find the vapor objectionable, it is highly likely you are overheating it. Freebase DMT vaporizes as a shockingly low temperature. If you just can't seem to get your smoking tek down, there is a somewhat expensive, but awesome solution...a glass VaporGenie. That thing is worth its weight in gold. I pissed and moaned about paying the $100 price, but DAMN...there's nothing like it.
N.B.
im going to try this next time i smoke. i always use an oil burner type pipe, so ill keep the flame as far away from the glass as i can until it melts and starts vaporizing. i have a feeling youre right about this. i hope to god this is the key to smoking it, because DMT is amazing, and the only thing keeping me from smoking it more often is the harshness of it.
i hate hitting hyperspace and still feeling the urge to puke my brains out but at the same time making myself NOT throw up... ugh..
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Re: Cheese grating your lungs! DMT [Re: Ajaxx]
#14537286 - 05/30/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're feeling like youre going to throw up you either burned it or theres something nasty in with your spice. It shouldnt make you feel like you'll throw up unless its from the intensity of the experience. Enhanced leaf has made me feel sick before though cause the last hits tend to taste really bad.
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