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OfflinePsy Baba
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The I love ableton thread.
    #14491687 - 05/21/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Share your love, share your info, share your protips.

I am rocking Live 8, with an APC40 which is friggen sweet.

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14491760 - 05/21/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:heart::heart::heart:
That glitch machine setup (which I think was posted here) is super cool.

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Lynnch]
    #14491761 - 05/21/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya, you can really make it so some really interesting things on autopilot.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14491768 - 05/21/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i have the program but i am hesitant to work on it cause i feel like i need a personal tutor or class to really get results. right now i m just kinda making shit recordings and its not really that much fun.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Shroom lover]
    #14491810 - 05/21/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

study it as if you were going to school for something major. :awesome:

Hours a day man, hours a day.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14492111 - 05/22/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I use Sonar these days as my primary DAW.  I got into Ableton for a few weeks to see how it all worked since the scene/arrangement setup seemed pretty cool. 

I found that it is entirely unsuitable for my current work - mixing from long stretches of recorded audio(jam sessions).

I can see it being useful in a live setting, but mainly for sample oriented music.  Also, it seemed to not perform well.  It would hit my CPU ceiling waaaay faster than I expected.  Granted, I need an upgrade but I couldn't get very deep with a project before it was just dead in the water.  Maybe it's a resource hog or needs a powerful machine to really work to its potential?  Or maybe it just doesn't work so great with big samples.

Another thing I did not like about Ableton is how it's geared around doing all this manipulation automatically.  For instance, the beat repeat or whatever it's called.  What?  I want absolute control over the placement and pitch of every single note, I don't want software doing that for me.  This is why I didn't like ACID and resisted my friend's attempts to get me to use it - it's all about being able to modulate key and tempo as seamlessly as possible using the same source.  That's cool and all but not what I'm after.

I abandoned the program fairly early, but from what I experienced I'm pretty certain that Ableton is not a good tool for recording instrumental music or working with big chunks of audio that must be edited with great precision.  I can see it as being a great compositional tool or performance aid though.

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Viveka]
    #14493357 - 05/22/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I find that is it SUPER easy o my CPU. 

My recent projects can have up to 30+ live FX running on top of MIDI being processed real time, and it keeps up.

A lot of the instruments/FX have "eco" modes to soften the cpu load if you need.

  I have also not had an issue manipulating audio.  Ableton has great warping, chopping, and eveything I would need for audio.

I love beat repeat, you can set parameters to have it be a little more concrete in action, but I LOVE it's randomness, it gives the effect a humanistic nature, instead of being plotted out exactly and feel too square.

Being geared towards automation saves a lot of programming time, but everything that seems automated can be opened up and manually programmed if you wish to do it so.

I also find it great for jamming, you can assign as many different takes on the fly as you wish with a single button, it has a built in looper pedal, it has auto wapring to fir to a tempo (only if you wish it to). and many other little quirks


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14495146 - 05/22/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I only used it for a couple of weeks so I'm sure it's more flexible than I found.  But when I'm recording a three hour instrumental jam session and mixing this down to a few 5-10 minute segments, Ableton is not a suitable tool for that.

Ableton doesn't even have its own wav editing capability, am I right?  Sure, I can adjust transient and warp marker positions in the sample editor view but if I actually want to edit the wav file I have to open it in a separate wav editing app.

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14495162 - 05/22/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I find that is it SUPER easy o my CPU. 

My recent projects can have up to 30+ live FX running on top of MIDI being processed real time, and it keeps up.

A lot of the instruments/FX have "eco" modes to soften the cpu load if you need.

  I have also not had an issue manipulating audio.  Ableton has great warping, chopping, and eveything I would need for audio.

I love beat repeat, you can set parameters to have it be a little more concrete in action, but I LOVE it's randomness, it gives the effect a humanistic nature, instead of being plotted out exactly and feel too square.

Being geared towards automation saves a lot of programming time, but everything that seems automated can be opened up and manually programmed if you wish to do it so.

I also find it great for jamming, you can assign as many different takes on the fly as you wish with a single button, it has a built in looper pedal, it has auto wapring to fir to a tempo (only if you wish it to). and many other little quirks




Bleh... I've been into fruityloops for about a year now but it has it's downsides.

Guess i'll startover with Ableton one of these days.

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Viveka]
    #14495166 - 05/22/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My main program is FL Studio, how does it compare?

I've never had luck with ableton, to me it seemed more like unableton.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Shins]
    #14495174 - 05/22/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My main program is FL Studio, how does it compare?

I've never had luck with ableton, to me it seemed more like unableton.




a more experienced friend of mine suggested me to make music with FL and mix it with ableton.

sounds plausible.

yeah first time I opened it I didn(t even get a sound out of it :lol:

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Shins]
    #14495292 - 05/22/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

FL Studio, as you know, is set up in a linear way, it has a well designed piano roll and later versions have (limited) audio recording/editing ability.

Ableton is not set up like most DAWs, where the workflow progresses continually forward in a linear way.  It is probably the only DAW that is quite unlike the rest for this reason.  In my experience, it's not the best option for long audio recording. 

In Ableton, there are two main views.  First, the session view where you organize your musical elements - samples, midi sequences, loops - into vertical descending columns.  Then you have the arrangement view where your various samples, sequences and loops are laid out to play in a linear progression like the typical DAW. 

The advantage to doing it this way, as opposed to just moving from A to Z and putting things where you want like most DAWs is that in the session view, where all the musical elements are organized into vertical columns, you can trigger Ableton to jump to a different "scene" on the fly, while your mix is playing. (A scene would be, for instance, every sample, loop or other element organized in row 1 of columns 1-5.  Scene 2 could be all elements in row two in columns 1-5, excluding column 4, or however you set it up.)  Obviously, the big advantage here is the ability to do this sort of thing live, but I can also see it being helpful in a spontaneous creative process, where you are quickly trying out different things without having to alter your arrangement.

I don't know if that makes sense, maybe DuneRaver can explain it more clearly since he knows the program a lot better.

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14495311 - 05/22/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I uses Cubase 5 for my DAW, and Reason and EMulator X2 for synth.  I sequence with Guitar Pro. 

I tried ableton, I thought it sucked assholes.  Maybe cause I was already use to something else.  Just too hard to deal with.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14495396 - 05/22/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I uses Cubase 5 for my DAW, and Reason and EMulator X2 for synth.  I sequence with Guitar Pro. 

I tried ableton, I thought it sucked assholes.  Maybe cause I was already use to something else.  Just too hard to deal with.




Wow, that's a lot of different programs,  do you sync them all?

FL studio can do all of that in one program.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Shins]
    #14495462 - 05/22/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ableton is so boss for making samples my god.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14495473 - 05/22/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I love Ableton.  I have a hard time with it sometimes, but when i run into a good sound its golden.

a lot of the time recordings i make on it usually end up in jams.  i find it tricky to do linear recordings with

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: skatealex2]
    #14495505 - 05/22/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm using FL studio 9 xxl edition to compose my tracks, and do some basic editing.

It works fine for what I use it for, so I've never really tested out Ableton. How does it compare for those that have used both?


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: x Ju x]
    #14495550 - 05/22/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude, look five posts up from yours.  Or do a little research yourself?

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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: x Ju x]
    #14495553 - 05/22/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

FL just seems too limited. I love Reason 5 but lately it kinda seems like the sounds in there are kinda lackin.


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Re: The I love ableton thread. [Re: Psy Baba]
    #14495581 - 05/22/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ableton? :dumbblonde: :stars:


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