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2012 Republican Frontrunners
    #14494908 - 05/22/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)






Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, & Gary Johnson aren't being taken seriously by the republican people.  Romney has a very good opening here. I think Cain isn't going to go through because he is for the fair tax. Pawlenty might be against Romney in the primaries it could be them two head to head with Gary and Ron in the back battling for second.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: learningtofly]
    #14495375 - 05/22/11 06:11 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago)

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Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, & Gary Johnson aren't being taken seriously by the republican people.  Romney has a very good opening here. I think Cain isn't going to go through because he is for the fair tax. Pawlenty might be against Romney in the primaries it could be them two head to head with Gary and Ron in the back battling for second.




Cain has more problems than just the fair tax, most notably that he isn't a politician.  Romney has the RomneyCare issue and L.Ron has, well, a lot of issues.  I know almost nothing about Gary Johnson.

I was disappointed about Daniels.  Daniels, Ryan and Christie.  They all seem to be decent guys with a reasonable understanding of the most important issues and a lack of arrogance about what they don't. 

There is a lot to be said for the notion that anybody who would want to be President is unfit.  This, I believe, is largely a result of a vicious and irresponsible media.  Especially in regard to conservative candidates.  Where was the vetting of the O-Tard?  Nowhere.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14496529 - 05/22/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm all about Gary Johnson. Even Willie Nelson who is traditionally blue through and through found himself a little confused endorsing a red candidate.

http://www.celebstoner.com/201105217075/blogs/steve-bloom/more-from-willie-nelson-on-gary-johnson.html

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14496581 - 05/22/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ here ya go

2 term Governor of New Mexico

Considered an Isolationist Free Market Libertarian. Many planks align closely with Dr. Paul, but there are major difference on abortion, immigration, and liberal appeal.

Gov. Mitch Daniels said he liked what Gary Johnson has to say after the first debate. He could possibly endorse him considering Gov. Johnson's impeccable fiscal record and his stance on social issues.

Gov Daniels recently announced a truce on social issues.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: nalyudi]
    #14497798 - 05/23/11 06:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know I am typically NOT the person making the following point, but bear with me.



I think Ron Paul will make a bit of a splash this year.  Not saying he'll get elected, or even get a nice portion of the vote --- just that he'll make a splash.  Right now the primary focus is on the economy, and by extension, the impending debt crisis.  There isn't another candidate for either party that has been as outspoken regarding our debt, our spending, and our international obligations.

Consqeuently, I think he'll get more attention -- albeit the quasi-negative and incredulous attention the newsmedia oftentimes gives him ("wait, mr paul, you want to get rid of the dept of educatioN?!")

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: memes]
    #14498187 - 05/23/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

there are few revolutionaries like ron paul in europe or canada, while there are some who say things that annoy the whole political class i find that in america there is more free speech for their ideas to develop, hell david duke was elected in that country. i guess perhaps Communism is the most discriminated against ideology then again there might not be much of a base for it to develop.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14498309 - 05/23/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You can't discriminate against an ideology.  You can only accept or reject.  A person can be discriminated against.  An ideology cannot.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14498330 - 05/23/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Mcarthyism is an exemple of this. by the way, in colombia there was such a thing that was named political genocide (even if your dictionary does not make it a word) . as they exterminated tens of thousand of people from the left ( the people supporting the farc). young and old, woman and men. it created a fracture in society which lasts to this day. The drug war, the war on terror, all those things is now part of colombia and be a patriot for uribe or the cops will harass you.

I think the effect of mccarthyism are felt up to this day, just like the reefer madness still catch the imagination of the old, just like those aggressive ads disgust drug users from state propaganda, but every non-drug users believe everything they are told. just like those frying eggs supposed to represent your brain.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14498416 - 05/23/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Mcarthyism is an exemple of this. by the way, in colombia there was such a thing that was named political genocide (even if your dictionary does not make it a word) . as they exterminated tens of thousand of people from the left ( the people supporting the farc). young and old, woman and men. it created a fracture in society which lasts to this day. The drug war, the war on terror, all those things is now part of colombia and be a patriot for uribe or the cops will harass you.

I think the effect of mccarthyism are felt up to this day, just like the reefer madness still catch the imagination of the old, just like those aggressive ads disgust drug users from state propaganda, but every non-drug users believe everything they are told. just like those frying eggs supposed to represent your brain.




"just like the reefer madness still catch the imagination of the old".  Just who do you think was laughing at that movie in the sixties and seventies?  The people who are "old" now.

I don't think you quite understand what McCarthyism means.  It does NOT mean a disgust for communism.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14498443 - 05/23/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It means aggressive anti-communist propaganda. and if they were laughing back then of the reefer madness, then it was replaced by other movies, it was replaced by the values that those who believed that movie gave to their kids.

The reefer madness did have a strong impact on public opînion back around the 1920s.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14498499 - 05/23/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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It means aggressive anti-communist propaganda. and if they were laughing back then of the reefer madness, then it was replaced by other movies, it was replaced by the values that those who believed that movie gave to their kids.

The reefer madness did have a strong impact on public opînion back around the 1920s.




Those people are all dead.  It was their kids who were laughing at it.  They are now the old people.  Or should I say "we"?  And no McCarthyism doesn't mean anti-communist propaganda.

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McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.





I'm starting to get the impression that French Canadians don't know one fucking thing about America.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14498511 - 05/23/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't live in America,do i accuse you of not knowing fuckall about canada? only americans think the world revolves around them and so expect foreign citizen to know everything about their own country.  Mccarthyism was mostly used to discredit communist i believe, correct me if i'm wrong.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14498533 - 05/23/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't live in America,do i accuse you of not knowing fuckall about canada? only americans think the world revolves around them and so expect foreign citizen to know everything about their own country.  Mccarthyism was mostly used to discredit communist i believe, correct me if i'm wrong.




I don't pontificate about how Canada should act, do I?  And the world does revolve around America, as you continue to prove with every one of your bitchy posts about America.  I already corrected you about McCarthyism.

By the way, Joseph McCarthy was somewhat right.  The State Department was riddled with communists.  Communism didn't need to be discredited.  It did that quite well all by itself.  What McCarthy did was accuse many people of being communists without evidence.  That being a communist was a bad thing was taken for granted.  And still is.  Quite properly.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14498540 - 05/23/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, the day you stop denying that america is encroaching in my country all the fucking time is the day that i might talk 1% less about america. The drug war is america's fault. blame america! 99% of the time you are right. i'm just saying a true nationalist where i come from despise america, the others are phony little prostitutes.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14498554 - 05/23/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, the day you stop denying that america is encroaching in my country all the fucking time is the day that i might talk 1% less about america. The drug war is america's fault. blame america! 99% of the time you are right. i'm just saying a true nationalist where i come from despise america, the others are phony little prostitutes.




Encroaching in your country?  Quebec?  Stop blaming your provincial failures on outside influences and look in the mirror.

By the way. you live a pretty fat and happy life by any historical measure.  Maybe you should stop and kiss a little American ass.  You surely would be less well off without us.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14498618 - 05/23/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, the day you stop denying that america is encroaching in my country all the fucking time is the day that i might talk 1% less about america.



Encroaching all the time? 


1)  First and foremost, our borders have not changed recently, tot he best of my knowledge.  So we're clearly not geographically encroaching on you.

2) Which means you must be talking about economic encroachment, or perhaps political encroachment?  Both of these can easily be stopped if public will is strong enough.  Tell your leaders to act as you wish -- aren't they your representatives?

You guys clearly like us, we represent a huge majority if your exports.  Don't you like your standard of living?  Tell us to go away -- your wallet will be sad.

Candian Exports, in Cn$


I made this graph with data from your canadian trade data website
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/tdo-dcd.nsf/eng/Home

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: memes]
    #14499002 - 05/23/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Encroaching in your country?  Quebec?  Stop blaming your provincial failures on outside influences and look in the mirror.

By the way. you live a pretty fat and happy life by any historical measure.  Maybe you should stop and kiss a little American ass.  You surely would be less well off without us.




Poorer materialistically but spiritually much better. also perhaps we wouldn't import foreign strippers for american tourists or for the pleasure of the members of our parliament. Maybe montreal wouldn't be the capital in juvenile prostitution for all of your funny actors . Age of consent was 14 for how many years? do you really think we are that stupid as to believe there is no link between the moral corruption of the liberal party of canada and the arrogance of our neighbours. there is no link between the selling out of our ressources( the fucking wood crisis) and the economical corruption, the disrespect toward the parliament ( very similar to the attitude of glenn beck, and all of you dumbass who don't want to arrest bin laden but rather, would prefer to bring him in the back of your car and shoot him in the head)

Of course we can't close all trade with you, we really have no choice but to live with such arrogant assholes next to us. maybe we should be a harbor for terrorism like lybia. at least it would give me the possibility of bringing an american soldier in the back of my car and blowing his fucking brain off though that might be a disgusting mess. just like you want to do with all terrorist. hell i know who the fucking terrorist are. Maybe muslims wouldn't be so mad at canada and france, if they didn't have pro-american cocksuckers like Sarkozy and Harper. maybe france could live in peace with their frigging muslims if they didn't have america doing a political coup every once in awhile to fuck the whole country over in 2005. maybe they wouldn't go that fucking crazy if there was no war on terror forced down their throat.

Maybe we wouldn't get extra sentencing for drug dealers in canada, if it wasn't for the sheer corruption of federalist liberals relying on the immigrants vote who are blatantly anti-quebec racist and see a separatist in all of us, if only there was just as much separatist as they see, maybe we could show them the middle finger and finally live our lives how we want to.

Maybe we can close the fucking light off for the northern part of america due to a new deal between Quebec premier Jean Charest of the provincial liberal party and the united states for cheap electricity. Just to piss you off would be an orgasm of joy for me. Maybe we could have real revenues from the mining sector instead of giving them a free ride every fucking time, kicking people off their home, destroying natural sights. all for the big money,the big capital this time coming mostly from germany and europe.

Hell maybe if your free-market bullshit ideology didn't keep on finding naive students in our university who are nothing but stupid tools and downright traitors , we could actually understand that the free market here is not the same as a free market in america. There will never be a free-market in america so they can finally shut the fuck up. no , they will force the free market OUTSIDE of their countries all the time, because that's what arrogant assholes do. when they can't do it at home, they do it in iraq. everywhere, arrogant assholes don't give a fuck. Arrogant assholes in america are prevented by other arrogant assholes from doing whatever the fuck they want, so liberal psychiatrist from america, feminist bitch from america find a nice place to test their ideas in MY COUNTRY. we even fucking get to test medications for them in MY COUNTRY. how nice are we , being a test lab for all of them fuckers so they can learn from our suffering how to treat their own people. Shit wasn't Iraq a test lab for all of their crazy ayn randist free market policy? Americans are a population of arrogant pricks who can't get along with each other. they don't understand the consequence of words and money as if they didn't believe in free speech or capitalism. it's a big country of people hating each other who simply can't get along and they vent their frustration outside in foreign wars or school shootings.

it's just what the fuck we do, we are a used to be catholic and nice people, warm and welcoming, it's about fucking time we revolt against you abusing your stay. a world without america? please don't make me dream.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: communeart]
    #14499809 - 05/23/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Encroaching in your country?  Quebec?  Stop blaming your provincial failures on outside influences and look in the mirror.

By the way. you live a pretty fat and happy life by any historical measure.  Maybe you should stop and kiss a little American ass.  You surely would be less well off without us.




Poorer materialistically but spiritually much better. also perhaps we wouldn't import foreign strippers for american tourists or for the pleasure of the members of our parliament. Maybe montreal wouldn't be the capital in juvenile prostitution for all of your funny actors . Age of consent was 14 for how many years? do you really think we are that stupid as to believe there is no link between the moral corruption of the liberal party of canada and the arrogance of our neighbours. there is no link between the selling out of our ressources( the fucking wood crisis) and the economical corruption, the disrespect toward the parliament ( very similar to the attitude of glenn beck, and all of you dumbass who don't want to arrest bin laden but rather, would prefer to bring him in the back of your car and shoot him in the head)

Of course we can't close all trade with you, we really have no choice but to live with such arrogant assholes next to us. maybe we should be a harbor for terrorism like lybia. at least it would give me the possibility of bringing an american soldier in the back of my car and blowing his fucking brain off though that might be a disgusting mess. just like you want to do with all terrorist. hell i know who the fucking terrorist are. Maybe muslims wouldn't be so mad at canada and france, if they didn't have pro-american cocksuckers like Sarkozy and Harper. maybe france could live in peace with their frigging muslims if they didn't have america doing a political coup every once in awhile to fuck the whole country over in 2005. maybe they wouldn't go that fucking crazy if there was no war on terror forced down their throat.

Maybe we wouldn't get extra sentencing for drug dealers in canada, if it wasn't for the sheer corruption of federalist liberals relying on the immigrants vote who are blatantly anti-quebec racist and see a separatist in all of us, if only there was just as much separatist as they see, maybe we could show them the middle finger and finally live our lives how we want to.

Maybe we can close the fucking light off for the northern part of america due to a new deal between Quebec premier Jean Charest of the provincial liberal party and the united states for cheap electricity. Just to piss you off would be an orgasm of joy for me. Maybe we could have real revenues from the mining sector instead of giving them a free ride every fucking time, kicking people off their home, destroying natural sights. all for the big money,the big capital this time coming mostly from germany and europe.

Hell maybe if your free-market bullshit ideology didn't keep on finding naive students in our university who are nothing but stupid tools and downright traitors , we could actually understand that the free market here is not the same as a free market in america. There will never be a free-market in america so they can finally shut the fuck up. no , they will force the free market OUTSIDE of their countries all the time, because that's what arrogant assholes do. when they can't do it at home, they do it in iraq. everywhere, arrogant assholes don't give a fuck. Arrogant assholes in america are prevented by other arrogant assholes from doing whatever the fuck they want, so liberal psychiatrist from america, feminist bitch from america find a nice place to test their ideas in MY COUNTRY. we even fucking get to test medications for them in MY COUNTRY. how nice are we , being a test lab for all of them fuckers so they can learn from our suffering how to treat their own people. Shit wasn't Iraq a test lab for all of their crazy ayn randist free market policy? Americans are a population of arrogant pricks who can't get along with each other. they don't understand the consequence of words and money as if they didn't believe in free speech or capitalism. it's a big country of people hating each other who simply can't get along and they vent their frustration outside in foreign wars or school shootings.

it's just what the fuck we do, we are a used to be catholic and nice people, warm and welcoming, it's about fucking time we revolt against you abusing your stay. a world without america? please don't make me dream.




"keep on finding naive students in our university who are nothing but stupid tools"

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14499940 - 05/23/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:laugh: i enjoyed writing the text.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14502160 - 05/23/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You can't discriminate against an ideology.  You can only accept or reject.  A person can be discriminated against.  An ideology cannot.




You can discriminate against a person because of their ideology.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14503697 - 05/24/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You can't discriminate against an ideology.  You can only accept or reject.  A person can be discriminated against.  An ideology cannot.




You can discriminate against a person because of their ideology.



I do it all the time.  Just like I can discriminate between an apple and an orange I can discriminate between a liberal and an intelligent person.  It isn't really an against thing.  More a between thing.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14503771 - 05/24/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes I am aware of the existence of homonyms. What I am saying is that your semantic quibbles deliberately misinterprets communeart's post, not that such petty-fogging is in any way unusual for you.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14504903 - 05/24/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Communeart said, "I enjoyed writing the text."

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I enjoyed reading it.  Soap boxes are fun sometimes.

We're not all the way we're represented by the media or folks like Zappa, btw.  But, broadly speaking, our culture is pretty nasty in even many other ways you neglected to mention ... but don't get me started, too.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14504960 - 05/24/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes I am aware of the existence of homonyms. What I am saying is that your semantic quibbles deliberately misinterprets communeart's post, not that such petty-fogging is in any way unusual for you.



I actually think that it is an important quibble.  Just as have quibbles with anybody who states that "Society" does or wants anything.  No.  Society does not do or want anything.  Sloppy expression is either a sign of or precursor to sloppy thinking.  And it has nothing whatsoever to do with homonyms.  Discrimination is not always a bad thing.  Ask any mushroom hunter.


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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14509160 - 05/25/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol: @ typical blame america for all your country's problems rant. bonus points for the blatant stereotypes, strategic capslock,  and any keyboard damage sustained.

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Re: 2012 Republican Frontrunners [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14509258 - 05/25/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Discrimination is not always a bad thing.  Ask any mushroom hunter.



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