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Do You Think Obama Is Right?
#14494742 - 05/22/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 3 hours ago) |
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In his stance right now regarding how time might be running out for a peace accord. The Palestinians, apparently, are starting to get more pronounced in trying to seek statehod through the UN, and one could assume that, if the same type of revolutions start happening there as throughout the region, real conflicts could escalate there. Wouldn't Israel's interest be in making stronger efforts to try to stabilize things there?
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you would think. but still, they are stubbornfaced.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: memes]
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Abject surrender is not a recipe for peace. As Netanyahu correctly pointed out the pre 1967 borders were conducive to the exact opposite of peace. And now the bozo in the White House is encouraging the murderous lunatics even more.
Not for nothing but even if Israel were to disappear does anybody really think the sixth century lunatics who live there will ever become civilized? Because I sure don't see that ever happening.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14498363 - 05/23/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The continuation of settlements is far from being the right recipes for peace. what kind of state do you expect palestine to have? and by that i mean how big of a country. it gets smaller and smaller as time goes on. israel is holding on to jerusalem like no tomorrow.
The murderous lunatic that you talk about are on israeli's side again, the rational for the state of israel is biblical, the socialist in power used to want the complete pie, but they had to renounce it, it was deep into syrian territory. so don't go tell me that they always wanted to live in peace by themselves. up to nowdays they constantly disrespect treaties and waste time so that more and more colonies are built. they will not accept a 2 state solution.
Murderous lunatic, in my definition, use biological or chemical weapon when they have access to them. and it is israel that used white phosphorus weapon. there are very few suicide bombing nowdays due to the wall being built, we live in other times. it is time we evolve our views of this conflict based on reality, not on the 1948 independance war, not even about the 1967 war or the yom kippur 1973 war.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: communeart]
#14498609 - 05/23/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those are funny maps. Where did you get them?
Take the 1947 map. The Gaza Strip wasn't Palestinian. It was Egyptian. The West Bank wasn't Palestinian. It was Jordanian. Both those countries have relinquished their claims and settled with Israel. Why, in the maps of Israel, do they not show any green? Palestinians live there, you know.
There ar efewer suicide bombs because of heightened security, which you oppose. But there is no shortage of rocket attacks. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/07/israeli-school-bus-gaza-missile
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An anti-tank missile fired from the Gaza Strip has struck a school bus in southern Israel, wounding two people, including one child critically, according to Israeli officials.
It must have been disguised as a tank.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14498642 - 05/23/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Abject surrender is not a recipe for peace. As Netanyahu correctly pointed out the pre 1967 borders were conducive to the exact opposite of peace. And now the bozo in the White House is encouraging the murderous lunatics even more.
I don't have much to say about this because the deal is supposed to include land swaps to alleviate this issue.
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Not for nothing but even if Israel were to disappear does anybody really think the sixth century lunatics who live there will ever become civilized? Because I sure don't see that ever happening.
Do you realize how much of an racist asshole you sound like? Especially after you gave me a hard time the other day about Ron Paul being a racist. It appears you choose your views to fit your beliefs. If you were talking solely about Hamas I might let this slide, but you're referring to an entire populous including lots of people (on the Jewish side as well) who just want the violence to stop. The Palestinians have every right to formulate their own state and live by their own laws without fear of persecution.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14498769 - 05/23/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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is it just me or does the 1948-1867 palestinian state look like a vertically inverted new jersey?
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14499190 - 05/23/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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communeart said: The continuation of settlements is far from being the right recipes for peace. what kind of state do you expect palestine to have? and by that i mean how big of a country.
What does it matter?
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it gets smaller and smaller as time goes on. israel is holding on to jerusalem like no tomorrow.
So what?
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Do you realize how much of an racist asshole you sound like? Especially after you gave me a hard time the other day about Ron Paul being a racist. It appears you choose your views to fit your beliefs. If you were talking solely about Hamas I might let this slide, but you're referring to an entire populous including lots of people (on the Jewish side as well) who just want the violence to stop. The Palestinians have every right to formulate their own state and live by their own laws without fear of persecution.
okay, and why don't they go ahead and form their own state? Far as i can see, they've been bitching forever and siding with retards who lost much of the land they did have.
Why didn't they ever form a state and a functioning government?
I don't see how zappa sounds racist- as you note the inhabitants of palestine include many people, and the residents of that area do not constitute a race.
I don't really understand what the soverignty of Israel has to do with much anyways. How are the Palestinians agrieved byt he state being formed or existing? There's a rather large thread trying to answer that question, and so far no explanation has bee presented.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: johnm214]
#14499321 - 05/23/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you realize how much of an racist asshole you sound like? Especially after you gave me a hard time the other day about Ron Paul being a racist. It appears you choose your views to fit your beliefs. If you were talking solely about Hamas I might let this slide, but you're referring to an entire populous including lots of people (on the Jewish side as well) who just want the violence to stop. The Palestinians have every right to formulate their own state and live by their own laws without fear of persecution.
okay, and why don't they go ahead and form their own state? Far as i can see, they've been bitching forever and siding with retards who lost much of the land they did have.
Why didn't they ever form a state and a functioning government?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#Declaration_of_Independence_.281988.29 They did it's just in disputed territory.
As for functioning government that's kind of hard when even the fractional remnants of your former lands are still occupied. But this aspect has been coming along ever since the Oslo accords:
"The West Bank and Gaza Strip continue to be considered by the international community to be Occupied Palestinian Territory, notwithstanding the 1988 declaration of Palestinian independence, the limited self-government accorded to the Palestinian Authority as a result of the 1993 Oslo Accords, and Israel's withdrawal from Gaza as part of the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2005, which saw the dismantlement of four Israeli settlements in the West Bank and all settlements in the Gaza Strip."
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I don't see how zappa sounds racist- as you note the inhabitants of palestine include many people, and the residents of that area do not constitute a race.
Raging bigot may have been a better choice of words. Zappa seems to enjoy thinking Jews are civilized while Arabs are "murderous lunatics," instead of condemning the violence on both sides.
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I don't really understand what the soverignty of Israel has to do with much anyways. How are the Palestinians agrieved byt he state being formed or existing? There's a rather large thread trying to answer that question, and so far no explanation has bee presented.
In general I see the need for a place for the displaced Jewish peoples to reside but not at the expense of the inhabitants of the place they settle. "Most UN member states questioned the claim that Israel held better title to the land than the inhabitants, and stressed that statehood was an inalienable right of the Palestinian people. Legal experts, like David John Ball, concluded that "the Palestinians, based on the principles of self-determination and the power of the U.N., appear to hold better title to the territory." The International Court of Justice subsequently reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and the prohibition under customary and conventional international law against acquisition of territory by war."
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: johnm214]
#14499326 - 05/23/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't see how zappa sounds racist- as you note the inhabitants of palestine include many people, and the residents of that area do not constitute a race.
attacking any ethnicity is racist, this loophole about palestinians not being a nation, a people, a something worth having a name is something that has to stop.
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I don't really understand what the soverignty of Israel has to do with much anyways. How are the Palestinians agrieved byt he state being formed or existing? There's a rather large thread trying to answer that question, and so far no explanation has bee presented.
a majority of the land is in israel's public state socialist control, they give it to the settlers. you have to be blind in order to believe that this is not a threat to palestinians.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14499835 - 05/23/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Abject surrender is not a recipe for peace. As Netanyahu correctly pointed out the pre 1967 borders were conducive to the exact opposite of peace. And now the bozo in the White House is encouraging the murderous lunatics even more.
I don't have much to say about this because the deal is supposed to include land swaps to alleviate this issue.
Yes, No, Maybe. Do you really think it is appropriate for this asshole to kick the deal way back against Israel and put zero onus on the lunatics?Quote:
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Not for nothing but even if Israel were to disappear does anybody really think the sixth century lunatics who live there will ever become civilized? Because I sure don't see that ever happening.
Do you realize how much of an racist asshole you sound like? Especially after you gave me a hard time the other day about Ron Paul being a racist. It appears you choose your views to fit your beliefs. If you were talking solely about Hamas I might let this slide, but you're referring to an entire populous including lots of people (on the Jewish side as well) who just want the violence to stop. The Palestinians have every right to formulate their own state and live by their own laws without fear of persecution.
Ron Paul is anti-Jew. Because they succeed. I am anti Muslim. Because they fail and kill people who succeed.
The Palestinians can formulate their fucking state out of Jordan. How the fuck does that sound? And then they will fuck it up just like they fucked up the Gaza Strip. Because they are sixth century morons.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14499861 - 05/23/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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As usual you're making fucking ridiculous generalizations and one sided assumptions about which religion or culture is this, and which is that. Your lack of concern for human rights in general is alarming.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14499890 - 05/23/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you realize how much of an racist asshole you sound like? Especially after you gave me a hard time the other day about Ron Paul being a racist. It appears you choose your views to fit your beliefs. If you were talking solely about Hamas I might let this slide, but you're referring to an entire populous including lots of people (on the Jewish side as well) who just want the violence to stop. The Palestinians have every right to formulate their own state and live by their own laws without fear of persecution.
okay, and why don't they go ahead and form their own state? Far as i can see, they've been bitching forever and siding with retards who lost much of the land they did have.
Why didn't they ever form a state and a functioning government?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#Declaration_of_Independence_.281988.29 They did it's just in disputed territory.
As for functioning government that's kind of hard when even the fractional remnants of your former lands are still occupied. But this aspect has been coming along ever since the Oslo accords:
"The West Bank and Gaza Strip continue to be considered by the international community to be Occupied Palestinian Territory, notwithstanding the 1988 declaration of Palestinian independence, the limited self-government accorded to the Palestinian Authority as a result of the 1993 Oslo Accords, and Israel's withdrawal from Gaza as part of the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2005, which saw the dismantlement of four Israeli settlements in the West Bank and all settlements in the Gaza Strip."
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I don't see how zappa sounds racist- as you note the inhabitants of palestine include many people, and the residents of that area do not constitute a race.
Raging bigot may have been a better choice of words. Zappa seems to enjoy thinking Jews are civilized while Arabs are "murderous lunatics," instead of condemning the violence on both sides.
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I don't really understand what the soverignty of Israel has to do with much anyways. How are the Palestinians agrieved byt he state being formed or existing? There's a rather large thread trying to answer that question, and so far no explanation has bee presented.
In general I see the need for a place for the displaced Jewish peoples to reside but not at the expense of the inhabitants of the place they settle. "Most UN member states questioned the claim that Israel held better title to the land than the inhabitants, and stressed that statehood was an inalienable right of the Palestinian people. Legal experts, like David John Ball, concluded that "the Palestinians, based on the principles of self-determination and the power of the U.N., appear to hold better title to the territory." The International Court of Justice subsequently reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and the prohibition under customary and conventional international law against acquisition of territory by war."
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"Raging bigot may have been a better choice of words. Zappa seems to enjoy thinking Jews are civilized while Arabs are "murderous lunatics," instead of condemning the violence on both sides."
I don't enjoy seeing that Muslims are murderous lunatics. Or that they are uncivilized monsters who would kill Matt Stone and Trey Parker and Theo van Gogh or anybody else who says they suck. Don't even bother telling me that most of them didn't actually commit the crimes. Far far too many supported it. I piss on Muhammed and hang him in my bacon smoker. There is a vast difference between the violence on the two sides. If the Pallies stop fighting there will be no war. If the Israelis stop fighting there will be no Israel.
There is a place for the displaced Jewish people. It's called Israel. That place accepts as voting citizens those of Arab descent. Arabs got almost the whole of the Middle East and Israel got dick. Deal. It's like the snotty little kid at a party who got 47 lollipops and resents the one some other kid got.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14499909 - 05/23/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: As usual you're making fucking ridiculous generalizations and one sided assumptions about which religion or culture is this, and which is that. Your lack of concern for human rights in general is alarming.
1. If you can make a case, and I relish the opportunity to destroy it, that Muslim culture is anything other than a recipe for disaster and a millstone about the neck of anybody who wears it. 2. Then tell me about what a failure Jewish culture is. Because most of the nutcases say the Jews, all 20 million of them, rule the world. Whuhappen?
Jews aint that powerful and Muslims are 6th century morons. Deal.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14499966 - 05/23/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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If Muslims die in jihad, they consider that to be a success.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
#14499973 - 05/23/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I say we mind our own business and let them settle their OWN border disputes and internal affairs.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
#14499984 - 05/23/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Islam provides the absolute guarantee that muslims will die when fighting infidels which they must do until the day of judgement according to their religion. The less muslims there are, the less will die. This means its absolute correct logic to support Israel.
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What you are saying is that Israel must exterminate muslims.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
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Edited by GI_Luvmoney (05/23/11 04:52 PM)
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Jews aint that powerful and Muslims are 6th century morons. Deal.
i would argue that both are equal in power and both are 6th century morons. look up Dominique Strauss Kahn.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: communeart]
#14503655 - 05/24/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jews aint that powerful and Muslims are 6th century morons. Deal.
i would argue that both are equal in power and both are 6th century morons. look up Dominique Strauss Kahn.

They aren't even close to equal in power. What does DSK have to do with anything regarding this discussion? Nothing.
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Re: Do You Think Obama Is Right? [Re: communeart]
#14534517 - 05/30/11 05:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jews aint that powerful and Muslims are 6th century morons. Deal.
i would argue that both are equal in power and both are 6th century morons. look up Dominique Strauss Kahn.
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