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The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine
#14493792 - 05/22/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Border disputes are so immature don't you guys think?
Israel: The line I drew in the sand is correct. Pallistine: NO the line that I drew was correct. Israel:Oh ya tough guy. Pallistine:Yeah Israel:lets battle! Pallistine: god promised me this land Israel: only after the real god promised it to us the chosen people Pallistine: you were not chosen it was Ishmael who was circumsized Israel: no it was Isaac!
Obama and Netanyahoo are having this huge battle about the 1967 Israeli borders what do you guys think should we go back to 1967 or we can never go back because like Netanyahoo said "those borders are indefensible"
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: learningtofly]
#14493914 - 05/22/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 6 hours ago) |
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We? I didn't know you lived there. Netanyahu is certainly correct that they are, at the very least, extremely difficult to defend. He is also correct to point out that Obama called for nothing from the genocidal monsters. Andrew McCarthy has some excellent observations on just how much of a betrayal of a trusted ally this was http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/267796/borderline-treachery-andrew-c-mccarthy
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To begin with, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was quick to point out, the 1967 borders are “indefensible.” That is why they have never been the starting point of U.S. policy, even though they always hover over negotiations. In its implacable hostility to Israel, the “international community” chooses to forget how and why the Arab side first grabbed, then lost, the territory in question. For nearly a half century since the adoption of U.N. Security Council resolution 242, the Washington Institute’s Robert Satloff explains, American administrations of both parties have called for eventual Israeli withdrawal to “secure and recognized” borders, a phrase interpreted as “not synonymous with the pre-1967 boundaries.”
By his new articulation, President Obama would deny Israel crucial negotiating leverage. If there is to be a peace settlement (which there cannot be until there are two parties that want peace), Israel must have the latitude to make territorial concessions in exchange for reliable concessions on security and other matters. It cannot be coerced into accepting an Obama-imposed fait accompli that leaves it fatally vulnerable to enemies whose ferocity is only encouraged by this bullying.
Bear in mind that what are called the “1967 borders” were never agreed-upon national boundaries. The Jewish claim on Judea and Samaria has roots in antiquity. This fact was intentionally obfuscated by Obama’s earlier suggestion in Cairo that Israel’s creation was an ill-conceived payback for the Holocaust, as it is by the convention of referring to Judea and Samaria as “the West Bank,” the name Jordan gave them when it seized and occupied them at the conclusion of Israel’s war of independence. The Arabs, of course, never created a Palestinian state when it was within their power to do so. Thus, the final disposition of this territory has never been resolved. It is a subject for negotiations, not predetermined Palestinian sovereignty.
Obama kowtows to thugs and kicks allies in the nuts. Chamberlain. Cowardly and stupid.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
#14493932 - 05/22/11 12:49 PM (13 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Chamberlain did declare war to germany when it invaded an inferior race called the poles. from the nazi perspective anyway.
Obama in his speech did point out that technology is changing and that israel's defence will be even harder due to easy to make missiles such as the qassam, it will only get worse as time goes on.
I listened to the young turks today and someone pointed out that israel is the only country not changing around the area. it must change just like everyone else or it will fall. a new election could do this of course. it is about time the united states uses it's influence (foreign aid) to tone down the aggressivity of the zionist regime.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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communeart said: it is about time the united states uses it's influence (foreign aid) to tone down the aggressivity of the zionist regime.
Have you ever heard about Iran?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: fireworks_god]
#14494888 - 05/22/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago) |
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if we dont go back to 1967 borders than what do we do with all the Pallistinian refugees?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: learningtofly]
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We? Maybe they could be absorbed within the incredibly huge Muslim nations that are all around, much like tiny Israel absorbed the 100s of thousands of Jewish refugees expelled from those nations.
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communeart said: it is about time the united states uses it's influence (foreign aid) to tone down the aggressivity of the zionist regime.
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We? Maybe they could be absorbed within the incredibly huge Muslim nations that are all around, much like tiny Israel absorbed the 100s of thousands of Jewish refugees expelled from those nations.
ethnic cleansing is illegal bro. and so you want all those people to lose their house, the land whose fruit they reap? how about all the children in prison, all those suicide bombers, you think people suicide bomb themselves for some piece of land and will pack their shit and leave an holy place? the only solution is a two state solution, a mixed-race one state solution is my hippy pipe dream, and the ethnically pure jewish one state solution is your jock pipe dream.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14495413 - 05/22/11 06:19 PM (13 years, 58 minutes ago) |
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What, pray tell, do you think establishes Palestinians as a separate ethnicity from every other Arab? Nothing. What, if not ethnic cleansing, was the expulsion of the Jews from Arab lands? What ethnic cleansing is there if there are many, many Arabs already living as Israeli citizens and holding office in the Knesset?
Do you even know what ethnic cleansing is? Because you can find an excellent definition of it in the Hamas charter.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
#14495444 - 05/22/11 06:27 PM (13 years, 50 minutes ago) |
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lol, cleaning any number of people from an ethnicity from any land is ethnic cleansing, whether they are the same as arab is moot. i am sure you have a regional identity, what if the native american decided to cleanse all people from chicago. that wouldn't piss off anyone? it's their land after all. i do not care if they hold office in the knesset, the people there have to go through cultural genocide if they are on this side of the fence. most jewish political parties call for their dismissal every fucking time they make a point in favor of the palestinians anyway.
the expulsion of jews from arab land was caused by the establishment of israel, most jews living in those region had nobody but jews in their social circle. they were thus easily recruited as spies just like in the lavon affair. this is the history of the jews in a nutshell, their persecution is caused by the different behavior that they have compared to other ethnicities of the world. and that in turn is caused by the teachings of their rabbis, which instruct them to spit on the ground whenever the word jesus is pronounced. they resisted assimilation through no other means than finding ways to despise the population of the countries in which they live in, even if their code says that they must respect the laws and habits of the people in the countries they reside in. it is no different than my own people, who resisted assimilation through preventing their young catholic french canadian girl from speaking to anglo protestant soldiers, who listened to priests who forced woman to give birth to babies even if it was dangerous. every baby pumped around the year 1800 was done for the survival of the culture. fearing english assimilation.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: communeart]
#14495478 - 05/22/11 06:35 PM (13 years, 42 minutes ago) |
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With your definition, than Jordon is guilty of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians ala Black September, 1970
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14495540 - 05/22/11 06:54 PM (13 years, 23 minutes ago) |
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communeart said: lol, cleaning any number of people from an ethnicity from any land is ethnic cleansing, whether they are the same as arab is moot. i am sure you have a regional identity, what if the native american decided to cleanse all people from chicago. that wouldn't piss off anyone? it's their land after all. i do not care if they hold office in the knesset, the people there have to go through cultural genocide if they are on this side of the fence. most jewish political parties call for their dismissal every fucking time they make a point in favor of the palestinians anyway.
My what unsubstantiated bullshit. And no, Kemosabe, Chicago does not belong to the Indians. Another word you should research is genocide. There is no such thing as cultural genocide. And if most Jewish parties called for their dismissal they would be dismissed.Quote:
the expulsion of jews from arab land was caused by the establishment of israel, most jews living in those region had nobody but jews in their social circle. they were thus easily recruited as spies just like in the lavon affair. this is the history of the jews in a nutshell, their persecution is caused by the different behavior that they have compared to other ethnicities of the world. and that in turn is caused by the teachings of their rabbis, which instruct them to spit on the ground whenever the word jesus is pronounced. they resisted assimilation through no other means than finding ways to despise the population of the countries in which they live in, even if their code says that they must respect the laws and habits of the people in the countries they reside in. it is no different than my own people, who resisted assimilation through preventing their young catholic french canadian girl from speaking to anglo protestant soldiers, who listened to priests who forced woman to give birth to babies even if it was dangerous. every baby pumped around the year 1800 was done for the survival of the culture. fearing english assimilation.
I'm so sorry you were brought up in such an ignorant and intolerant culture. Maybe you should give Montreal back to the Hurons.
The creation of Israel justified the expulsion of Jews from Arab nations? When Arabs got almost everything? Spare me.
"The rabbis instruct them to spit on the ground whenever the name Jesus is pronounced?" You really are a stunningly ignorant little monster. Then there is this:
"it is no different than my own people, who resisted assimilation through preventing their young catholic french canadian girl from speaking to anglo protestant soldiers, who listened to priests who forced woman to give birth to babies even if it was dangerous."
You do realize that if abortion was commonplace back then you probably wouldn't exist, right? Surely some one of your ancestors would have been snuffed. Don't quite understand what you're getting at regarding the Protestant Anglo soldiers, either. And Protestants don't have priests.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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My what unsubstantiated bullshit. And no, Kemosabe, Chicago does not belong to the Indians. Another word you should research is genocide. There is no such thing as cultural genocide. And if most Jewish parties called for their dismissal they would be dismissed.
they did call for their dismissal from the parliament for being traitors and denying israel's jewish character during the gaza flotilla crisis. all of america belongs to the native americans, much more than israel belongs to the jews. there is such a thing as cultural genocide, it is to force children into schools just like it happened in australia. what is that called then?
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The creation of Israel justified the expulsion of Jews from Arab nations? When Arabs got almost everything? Spare me.
what did arabs get? a large number of their people were expulsed because of the war from their home, it's called nakba. it did not necessarily justify the expulsion , but israel welcomed and encouraged all those people to go in israel, they also actively encouraged their population to spy on their ancient host countries. that was my point. And if Nakba is bullshit for you, then the expulsion of jews is much more justified in the eye of somebody toying with human life. what do you make of palestinian farmers who are on their own land,and have been given this land from father to son but forced to leave due to israel.
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You do realize that if abortion was commonplace back then you probably wouldn't exist, right? Surely some one of your ancestors would have been snuffed. Don't quite understand what you're getting at regarding the Protestant Anglo soldiers, either. And Protestants don't have priests.
i am not talking about abortion, but making extra-babies when the doctor states that it is dangerous to create more babies but the priest is pushing it in order to resist english assimilation. it is a part of the history of my country to have priests bitching about catholic girls talking to english soldiers after the conquest.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14496030 - 05/22/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you hold Egypt or Morocco or............ Algeria or Iraq or....... Tunisia equally accountable for the banishment of approx 600,000 Jewish peoples?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Do you hold Egypt or Morocco or............ Algeria or Iraq or....... Tunisia equally accountable for the banishment of approx 600,000 Jewish peoples?
more or less, israel actually pays people to go live in israel. each year they light up a candle saying that next year they will go in israel. if the zionist don't give a fuck about nakba, i don't see why i should care about their expulsion from the arab world. both side can easily make bullshit up to excuse it. it is no different.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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Just for my clarity, you believe that Israel and the other Arabian and North African governments are equally to blame for one anther's banishments?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Just for my clarity, you believe that Israel and the other Arabian and North African governments are equally to blame for one anther's banishments?
I would argue that one followed another. I do think it was kinda inevitable for a large amount of the palestinian population to flee. war is exactly about exaction,offensive, retaliation. there is no level in which warfare doesn't go.
There were pogroms around 1945 and 1948 following the war, following nazi propaganda probably. jews were terror bombing palestine or the british mandate at the time. the history of the jews is full of moment where in face of superior number and untamable hatred, they couldn't see the difference if they act peacefully or ruthlessly and so they act decisively, and bomb the hotel david.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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My what unsubstantiated bullshit. And no, Kemosabe, Chicago does not belong to the Indians. Another word you should research is genocide. There is no such thing as cultural genocide. And if most Jewish parties called for their dismissal they would be dismissed.
they did call for their dismissal from the parliament for being traitors and denying israel's jewish character during the gaza flotilla crisis. all of america belongs to the native americans, much more than israel belongs to the jews. there is such a thing as cultural genocide, it is to force children into schools just like it happened in australia. what is that called then?
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I'm so sorry you were brought up in such an ignorant and intolerant culture. Maybe you should give Montreal back to the Hurons.
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The creation of Israel justified the expulsion of Jews from Arab nations? When Arabs got almost everything? Spare me.
what did arabs get? a large number of their people were expulsed because of the war from their home, it's called nakba. it did not necessarily justify the expulsion , but israel welcomed and encouraged all those people to go in israel, they also actively encouraged their population to spy on their ancient host countries. that was my point. And if Nakba is bullshit for you, then the expulsion of jews is much more justified in the eye of somebody toying with human life. what do you make of palestinian farmers who are on their own land,and have been given this land from father to son but forced to leave due to israel.
What is this nutcase spying? You really will swallow every bit of bullshit those fuckwads say.
What did Arabs get? LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! Wow, they got almost everything, especially regarding resources. And most of the Palestinians, by far, were not expelled. They walked. There are still large numbers of Arabs living within Israel. How come they weren't expelled? Some cleansing.Quote:
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You do realize that if abortion was commonplace back then you probably wouldn't exist, right? Surely some one of your ancestors would have been snuffed. Don't quite understand what you're getting at regarding the Protestant Anglo soldiers, either. And Protestants don't have priests.
i am not talking about abortion, but making extra-babies when the doctor states that it is dangerous to create more babies but the priest is pushing it in order to resist english assimilation. it is a part of the history of my country to have priests bitching about catholic girls talking to english soldiers after the conquest.
You might want to take that issue up with the Catholic church, which still wants you to make more babies. When you speak of "your country" do you mean Canada or Quebec or the Iroquois Nation? You seem to flop all over.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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What is this nutcase spying? You really will swallow every bit of bullshit those fuckwads say.
What did Arabs get? LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! Wow, they got almost everything, especially regarding resources. And most of the Palestinians, by far, were not expelled. They walked. There are still large numbers of Arabs living within Israel. How come they weren't expelled? Some cleansing.
what the fuck are you talking about, arab got those lands a long fucking time ago, live with the times man. large numbers of arabs living in israel? not able to be in the army or the benefits that come with it? state discrimination? inability to deny the jewish character of that nation? a man convicted of rape for pretending to be jewish in order to fuck a jewish girl ? What about Yisrael beitenu, the only realistic political parties which is calling for large swaps of land to be traded along with ethnic cleansing so that israel remains jewish. Israel will not last simply because of the demographic bomb, simply because the orthodox are more and more turning to atheism. it will have to resort to dire methods in order to survive.
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You might want to take that issue up with the Catholic church, which still wants you to make more babies. When you speak of "your country" do you mean Canada or Quebec or the Iroquois Nation? You seem to flop all over.
Quebec. it also has mostly algonquians nowdays. The quebecois nation was catholic and resisted english assimilation through our priests, which also instructed us to never rebel against the english for our own good. not until the 1960s did we start asking for more autonomy and finally we broke with a very conservative anti-communist government in 1960 as more and more people left the church and embraced atheism, this lead to the referendum of 1980, and another in 1995. The reason i compare my nation to that of the jewish people is that zionist are atheist, they had to be atheist and follow the enlightenment in order to get their country. just like we had to leave our corrupt catholic church which strangled us in order to be great and go through those movements for a sovereign country.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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What is this nutcase spying? You really will swallow every bit of bullshit those fuckwads say.
What did Arabs get? LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! Wow, they got almost everything, especially regarding resources. And most of the Palestinians, by far, were not expelled. They walked. There are still large numbers of Arabs living within Israel. How come they weren't expelled? Some cleansing.
what the fuck are you talking about, arab got those lands a long fucking time ago, live with the times man. large numbers of arabs living in israel? not able to be in the army or the benefits that come with it? state discrimination? inability to deny the jewish character of that nation? a man convicted of rape for pretending to be jewish in order to fuck a jewish girl ? What about Yisrael beitenu, the only realistic political parties which is calling for large swaps of land to be traded along with ethnic cleansing so that israel remains jewish. Israel will not last simply because of the demographic bomb, simply because the orthodox are more and more turning to atheism. it will have to resort to dire methods in order to survive.
You really will swallow any bullshit that says Israel sucks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
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According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab population of Israel in 2010 is estimated at 1,573,000, representing 20.4% of the population.[4] The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[5][6][7] Many have family ties to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as to Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Negev Bedouins tend to identify more as Israelis than other Arab citizens of Israel.[8]
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You might want to take that issue up with the Catholic church, which still wants you to make more babies. When you speak of "your country" do you mean Canada or Quebec or the Iroquois Nation? You seem to flop all over.
Quebec. it also has mostly algonquians nowdays. The quebecois nation was catholic and resisted english assimilation through our priests, which also instructed us to never rebel against the english for our own good. not until the 1960s did we start asking for more autonomy and finally we broke with a very conservative anti-communist government in 1960 as more and more people left the church and embraced atheism, this lead to the referendum of 1980, and another in 1995. The reason i compare my nation to that of the jewish people is that zionist are atheist, they had to be atheist and follow the enlightenment in order to get their country. just like we had to leave our corrupt catholic church which strangled us in order to be great and go through those movements for a sovereign country.
Quebec is not a sovereign nation and the Separatists, of which you are apparently one of the last remaining members, have gotten clobbered at the polls recently
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However, in the 2006 federal elections the BQ lost three seats and in the 2008 federal elections lost an additional seat, bringing their total down to 49, but was still the most popular federal party in Quebec up until the 2011 Canadian federal election, when the BQ was decimated by the federalist NDP, with a total of 4 seats and loss of official party status in the Commons, compared to the NDP's 58, Conservatives 6 and the Liberals 7.
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However, in the 2006 federal elections the BQ lost three seats and in the 2008 federal elections lost an additional seat, bringing their total down to 49, but was still the most popular federal party in Quebec up until the 2011 Canadian federal election, when the BQ was decimated by the federalist NDP, with a total of 4 seats and loss of official party status in the Commons, compared to the NDP's 58, Conservatives 6 and the Liberals 7.
LOL, you speak like a canadian. the BQ is completly useless and hated even by separatist. we still get 41% in the polls thank you. they also got 25% of the vote and yet won only 4 seats. Every few years there is a show where major celebrities are invited and it is a promotion event for separatism. The federalist NDP are those goddamn socialist that you hate so much, they even have a trotskyist caucus within them. what this represent is actually a shift to the left, historically separatist in quebec.
Why are you such a dick with people outside your country who actually want to be sovereign, oh wait, your american.
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However, in the 2006 federal elections the BQ lost three seats and in the 2008 federal elections lost an additional seat, bringing their total down to 49, but was still the most popular federal party in Quebec up until the 2011 Canadian federal election, when the BQ was decimated by the federalist NDP, with a total of 4 seats and loss of official party status in the Commons, compared to the NDP's 58, Conservatives 6 and the Liberals 7.
LOL, you speak like a canadian. the BQ is completly useless and hated even by separatist. we still get 41% in the polls thank you. they also got 25% of the vote and yet won only 4 seats. Every few years there is a show where major celebrities are invited and it is a promotion event for separatism. The federalist NDP are those goddamn socialist that you hate so much, they even have a trotskyist caucus within them. what this represent is actually a shift to the left, historically separatist in quebec.
Why are you such a dick with people outside your country who actually want to be sovereign, oh wait, your american.

So go be sovereign. I don't give a fuck. Of course, I believe that ship sailed in the eighties but keep tilting at the windmill.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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Lets do a headcount shall we? Oh yeah, that would contradict your racist drivel and we cant let facts get in the way of good hate rant now can we Zappa?
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zappaisgod said: We? Maybe they could be absorbed within the incredibly huge Muslim nations that are all around, much like tiny Israel absorbed the 100s of thousands of Jewish refugees expelled from those nations.
Why dont we just let the Jews or Palestinians or Arabs go the way of the(american) Indian? The loser doesn't get shit but Whiskey and a lil bit of land that has nothing on it-
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Lets do a headcount shall we? Oh yeah, that would contradict your racist drivel and we cant let facts get in the way of good hate rant now can we Zappa?
Head count of what? Just because the 6th century idiots are incompetent does not negate the fact that they are genocidal lunatics.
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You don't really know what genocide means, do you? Do you know how many Palestinians would be killed by Israel if they stop attacking Israel. None. Do you know how many Israelis would be killed if Israel stops responding to the Palestinian attacks. A lot more. Like all of them.
Like I said earlier. The fact that they are incompetent does not make the Palestinians any less genocidal. They would love to kill all the Jews. But they can't because they are inept. The Jews could kill all the Palestinians but they don't because they are not lunatics.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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No thats wrong, how do you know the Palestinians would kill them all? For one, And 2 if the Jews killed all the Palestine's then they would have a leg to stand on, and no more poor us remember WW2. Fuck they still talk about it and most of the ones that were in the holocaust(that survived are dead or almost) Its almost as bad as the Blacks complaining about slavery- that ended over a hundred years ago- Why dont we give the land back to the Native Americans? We took their land and occupied it still, no one helps them, Let them tell the Jews about some Genocide and see whose violin plays louder. The Palestinians are like the native Americans, got their land took after WW2- The Jews well they are the Americans. Taking other people shit, Just give them(Jews) Florida and let the world be happy.
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For one, And 2 if the Jews killed all the Palestine's then they would have a leg to stand on, and no more poor us remember WW2. Fuck they still talk about it and most of the ones that were in the holocaust(that survived are dead or almost) Its almost as bad as the Blacks complaining about slavery- that ended over a hundred years ago- Why dont we give the land back to the Native Americans? We took their land and occupied it still, no one helps them, Let them tell the Jews about some Genocide and see whose violin plays louder. The Palestinians are like the native Americans, got their land took after WW2- The Jews well they are the Americans. Taking other people shit, Just give them(Jews) Florida and let the world be happy.
The Palestinians are like the native Americans in the same way that a duck is like space ship. The Muslims got almost everything and the Jews got a tiny slice of shit. Maybe you agree with Helen Thomas, former execrable slag faux journalist, and just give the Jews Germany.
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Hell no, why would you wanna give the Jews the Fatherland, They should have kept their ass in Israel or where ever, B4 WW2 and then we wouldn't have had to steal some other peoples land to give them- Kinda thank the Palestine's owned it fair and square- Goes back to the bible BS right were they not the Philistines? The Jews left egypt then conquered their way across to the promise land, or what ever. So just let them really fight it out is all i am saying-
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The Muslims got almost everything and the Jews got a tiny slice of shit.
Which is obviously more than they deserved. The majority of their ancestors had probably never lived in that area and there was no genuine religous claim that could be used to justify this land being handed over to them. The only thing they had in their favour was the backing of rich Zionists who held positions of power in the West and the fact that previous mandates and proclamations regarding treatment of the Palestinians were conveniently ignored.
Do you really think the UN recognition of Israel as a state actually means anything? Bullshit.
Since then they have waged a campaign to opress and marginalise the Palestinian people in any way they can under the pathetic guise of necessary defense which only fools jingoistic halfwits.
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The Muslims got almost everything and the Jews got a tiny slice of shit.
Which is obviously more than they deserved. The majority of their ancestors had probably never lived in that area and there was no genuine religious claim that could be used to justify this land being handed over to them. The only thing they had in their favor was the backing of rich Zionists who held positions of power in the West and the fact that previous mandates and proclamations regarding treatment of the Palestinians were conveniently ignored.
Amen Brother preach on-
Do you really think the UN recognition of Israel as a state actually means anything? Bullshit.
Since then they have waged a campaign to oppress and marginals the Palestinian people in any way they can under the pathetic guise of necessary defense which only fools jingoistic halfwits.
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The Muslims got almost everything and the Jews got a tiny slice of shit.
Which is obviously more than they deserved. The majority of their ancestors had probably never lived in that area and there was no genuine religous claim that could be used to justify this land being handed over to them. The only thing they had in their favour was the backing of rich Zionists who held positions of power in the West and the fact that previous mandates and proclamations regarding treatment of the Palestinians were conveniently ignored.
Do you really think the UN recognition of Israel as a state actually means anything? Bullshit.
Since then they have waged a campaign to opress and marginalise the Palestinian people in any way they can under the pathetic guise of necessary defense which only fools jingoistic halfwits.
All they have done is try to defend themselves from murderous sixth century morons dedicated to their destruction. If they had so much money and power how come they got such a shitty piece of the Ottoman pie? Speaking of jingoistic halfwits..............
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"how come they got such a shitty piece of the Ottoman pie?"
because that's the piece they wanted...
you know the holiest place in their religion
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because that's the piece they wanted...
you know the holiest place in their religion 
I don't think the exact dimensions were determined that way, do you? They even only got half of Jerusalem. Ever see a map of the joke that the original borders were?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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they could have used more moderation in defending themselves from 6th century morons. this is just like when gaddafi shoots it's own unarmed protestors. there are laws of war and israel's right wing government is too keen on overpowering the palestinians, of shooting 20 missiles for each little qassam rockets. this is why the palestinians will never give up, they have children growing up and hating israel so much they would launch a missile by themselves out of legal authority.. and the conflict repeats itself.
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All they have done is try to defend themselves from murderous sixth century morons dedicated to their destruction.
So bulldozing houses and olive groves to illegally expand their borders would be considered defensive? Really?!!
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If they had so much money and power how come they got such a shitty piece of the Ottoman pie?
How was it the Ottoman pie? They were long gone by the time Israel declared their independence. And why should they have got any of it anyway?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: GazzBut]
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I have no problem with Israel really. They have the right to exist. But they should give up a small bit of land for the Palestinians or they're never going to have peace.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: GazzBut]
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All they have done is try to defend themselves from murderous sixth century morons dedicated to their destruction.
So bulldozing houses and olive groves to illegally expand their borders would be considered defensive? Really?!!
Why yes, it could be considered exactly that. And the only group with any claim to the West Bank is Jordan, which ceded it some time ago. Not a ragtag bunch of murdering scum.Quote:
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If they had so much money and power how come they got such a shitty piece of the Ottoman pie?
How was it the Ottoman pie? They were long gone by the time Israel declared their independence. And why should they have got any of it anyway?
So do you believe the UN has the authority to legitimise Israel?
The international community of victors carved out all of the Middle Eastern borders. I believe almost the entire world recognizes Israel as a legitimate state. Then there are the morons and murderers.
I note that above you made reference to "illegal" settlements. Illegal according to whom? Did you know that Israel has also bulldozed Jewish settlements? It's true.
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communeart said: they could have used more moderation in defending themselves from 6th century morons. this is just like when gaddafi shoots it's own unarmed protestors. there are laws of war and israel's right wing government is too keen on overpowering the palestinians, of shooting 20 missiles for each little qassam rockets. this is why the palestinians will never give up, they have children growing up and hating israel so much they would launch a missile by themselves out of legal authority.. and the conflict repeats itself.
This is why you are clearly a liar. There have been thousands upon thousands of rockets shot into Israel.
If, as you say, the Palestinians will never give up and their stated goal, today as it has been throughout history, is the eradication of Israel what kind of person would expect the Israelis to show ANY restraint? One kind. The murdering kind.
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ToiletDuk said: I have no problem with Israel really. They have the right to exist. But they should give up a small bit of land for the Palestinians or they're never going to have peace.
I believe that has been their policy for some time but the murdering morons reject it. They did, you know, give them the Gaza Strip. How'd that work out?
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The international community of victors carved out all of the Middle Eastern borders.
Exactly. To the victors the spoils, might is right and to hell with the natives. I just hope these kinds of thought patterns that find this acceptable die out soon. Its an evolutionary imperative as it really does lead us, unnecessarily, into the shithouse.
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Why yes, it could be considered exactly that.
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I believe almost the entire world recognizes Israel as a legitimate state.
The power elite and its slimy little lick spittle's may do but if you were to survey every inhabitant of spaceship earth I think you would find only a small minority actually support the European Zionist occupation of Palestine.
I mean, Even the Jews dont fully support Israel!
Still rather not comment on the Neturei Karta's position I suppose Zappa? Go on, call them racist anti-semites...i dare ya!
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The international community of victors carved out all of the Middle Eastern borders.
Exactly. To the victors the spoils, might is right and to hell with the natives. I just hope these kinds of thought patterns that find this acceptable die out soon. Its an evolutionary imperative as it really does lead us, unnecessarily, into the shithouse.
No it doesn't. Every fucking border in the world was established that way, including ALL of Europe.Quote:
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Only if you rewrite the commonly held meanings of our existing vocabulary to suit yourself.
A strong case can be made that the West Bank should be cleared of all Palestinians for security purposes.Quote:
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I believe almost the entire world recognizes Israel as a legitimate state.
The power elite and its slimy little lick spittle's may do but if you were to survey every inhabitant of spaceship earth I think you would find only a small minority actually support the European Zionist occupation of Palestine.
The power elite, as you call it, also recognizes the borders of the state you live in. Maybe you should live someplace under constant attack. Regarding the European emigration to Israel does not every nation have the right to control it's borders and who it allows to emigrate their? Why yes, yes they do. As to surveying the spaceship earth there are one billion Muslim losers and 20 million Jews. I'm not asking those one billion assholes what they think about anything.Quote:
I mean, Even the Jews dont fully support Israel!
Still rather not comment on the Neturei Karta's position I suppose Zappa? Go on, call them racist anti-semites...i dare ya!
I reject their position as does most of world Jewrie. It does not surprise me that there are anti-Zionist Jews. They've been around for a long time.
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Zappa you present a remarkable caricature of unbridled stupidity and prejudice. Bravo!
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There is nothing prejudicial about my views. Unlike you, I wasn't born yesterday.
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Yea you are way way to much Palestinian haten and Jew lovin- Basically you are taking religious sides, since Judaism are a religion, But Palestinians are a ethnic group. The real Frank zappa would be pissed like he says "your an Asshole"
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2jew4u said: Yea you are way way to much Palestinian haten and Jew lovin- Basically you are taking religious sides, since Judaism are a religion, But Palestinians are a ethnic group. The real Frank zappa would be pissed like he says "your an Asshole"
Nope. Don't give two shits about either religion. One side acts like reasonable human beings and the other side are raving and drooling murderous scum who put suicide vests on their children.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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One side acts like reasonable human beings and the other side are raving and drooling murderous scum who put suicide vests on their children.
One acts like a well organized military and the other like a disorganized bunch of hopeless people. The problem is that there is confusion in the respect for the people as opposed to the respect to the Palestinian or Israeli state. From my point of view the Israeli state cannot be forgiven for some of it's action, the Palestinian state or organization who organized suicide bombings cannot be forgiven for this action. Organizations like the PFLP,hamas,Fatah. In this conflict, There is a clear lack of care for stopping the escalation of horrors. i'm almost sick of discussing the topic.
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One side acts like reasonable human beings and the other side are raving and drooling murderous scum who put suicide vests on their children.
One acts like a well organized military and the other like a disorganized bunch of hopeless people. The problem is that there is confusion in the respect for the people as opposed to the respect to the Palestinian or Israeli state. From my point of view the Israeli state cannot be forgiven for some of it's action, the Palestinian state or organization who organized suicide bombings cannot be forgiven for this action. Organizations like the PFLP,hamas,Fatah. In this conflict, There is a clear lack of care for stopping the escalation of horrors. i'm almost sick of discussing the topic.
Were the Egyptian Army, the Jordanian Army, the Syrian Army all disorganized bunches of hopeless people? No. There is no respect for the Israeli state by the Pallys and Gazzbutts. I cannot think of one act by the Israeli state that even needs to be forgiven.
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> I cannot think of one act by the Israeli state that even needs to be forgiven.
USS Liberty comes to mind. However, every state makes mistakes from time to time. In general, I agree with you; there is very little that Israel needs to apologize for doing.
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the 6th century idiots a ragtag bunch of murdering scum. morons and murderers. there are one billion Muslim losers they are inept incompetent morons. The fucking Muslims got just about everything Because even they know these fucking assholes are insane monsters. It is an insecure, immature religion that hasn't gotten past the "You must believe" stage. the Muslims are, right now, a problem By problem I mean raving, drooling, lunatic murderers. Not all of them, obviously, but a rather huge minority. Like in the hundreds of millions. The Palestinians do not even deserve the level of treatment they get from Israel. The freakshow Arabs
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country, would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.
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None of those facts are prejudicial. Muslims in general and the Palestinians in particular have earned every iota of my disgust.
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Yea cuz the hole Crusades thing was there fault too- Thats why the arabic world loves us
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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country, would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.
I dont deny thats a possibility but I wouldnt say its a cast iron certainty. To get to the stage where Palestine bacame a sovereign country would take a lot of dialogue and concessions from both sides. Who knows how that would change things? I think its fairly obvious there are lunatics on both side of the equation but I dont think they are the majority just the loudest and most visible.
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2jew4u said: Yea cuz the hole Crusades thing was there fault too- Thats why the arabic world loves us

Maybe we should consider their invasions from several hundred years ago, too. But we don't because we live in the present, unlike the sixth century morons.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country, would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.
I dont deny thats a possibility but I wouldnt say its a cast iron certainty. To get to the stage where Palestine bacame a sovereign country would take a lot of dialogue and concessions from both sides. Who knows how that would change things? I think its fairly obvious there are lunatics on both side of the equation but I dont think they are the majority just the loudest and most visible.
Not a cast iron certainty? What happened the second the Israelis handed over the Gaza Strip? There may be lunatics on both sides but there is only one side in which they are in control.
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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country, would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.
I dont deny thats a possibility but I wouldnt say its a cast iron certainty. To get to the stage where Palestine bacame a sovereign country would take a lot of dialogue and concessions from both sides. Who knows how that would change things? I think its fairly obvious there are lunatics on both side of the equation but I dont think they are the majority just the loudest and most visible.
When someone calls for my destruction, vows it, acts on it now and in the past I'd be a damn fool to think the next time is going to be different. There is a certain type of liberal that has never been around war and has never been in the real world and that thinks we will all play nice if we just give in a little. That's really not how fanatics see things. Giving in is giving up to them and they will go for the throat. I would love for these liberals to be right but history has proven them wrong almost every time. So imo this type of liberal attitude is very dangerous.
In many ways I carry liberal attitudes about social issues but not on this. I'm just not that naive. And while I'm convinced that Israel has committed some atrocities they imo are very little compared to the desires that their enemies have on them. The fact that they occupy the land means it's theirs just as much as America is ours. All territories are fought over and change hands throughout history. Frankly it's how nature operates. Ultimately the land belongs to those that can hold it and someone else will always want it so you will have to fight from time to time. Sad but true.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
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When someone calls for my destruction, vows it, acts on it now and in the past I'd be a damn fool to think the next time is going to be different.
How many Palestinians really hold this viewpoint? How many of those how currently hold this view would definitely continue to hold this view in the light of a considerable change of position from the Israeli's?
As the wiki leaks show, Israel harbour fairly dark designs on the Palestinians so lets not pretend this is a one sided thing.
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That's really not how fanatics see things. Giving in is giving up to them and they will go for the throat.
This is an opinion not a fact.
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I would love for these liberals to be right but history has proven them wrong almost every time. So imo this type of liberal attitude is very dangerous.
Can you give me an example where after a protracted conflict both sides come to a point where they both make concessions to come to some kind of a settlement only for fanatics on one side to ignore the agreement and attempt to destroy the other side completely?
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And while I'm convinced that Israel has committed some atrocities they imo are very little compared to the desires that their enemies have on them.
So because some Palestinians hold murderous desires toward the Israeli's the atrocities that the Israeli's have ACTUALLY committed, which far outweigh anything the Palestinians have ACTUALLY done to the Israelis, can be excused?
Interesting logic.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not a cast iron certainty?
Labelling anything a cast iron certainty seems like a mistake to me.
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What happened the second the Israelis handed over the Gaza Strip?
Hamas continued their attacks and Israel's disproportianate response ensured the attacks would continue.
Maybe Hamas cannot be part of the solution but that doesnt mean a peaceful solution isnt possible.
If you seriously believe a peaceful solution isnt possible how do you see this situation panning out?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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Labelling anything a cast iron certainty seems like a mistake to me.
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What happened the second the Israelis handed over the Gaza Strip?
Hamas continued their attacks and Israel's disproportianate response ensured the attacks would continue.
There is no such thing as a disproportionate response. That whole concept is for assholes who want to see continued war. Win. Just win. Defeat those who would kill you until they realize that it isn't in their interests to continue the fight. Enabling assholes who whinge about disproportionate responses are actually contributing to the persistence of a warlike status in the Middle East. Useful idiots.Quote:
Maybe Hamas cannot be part of the solution but that doesnt mean a peaceful solution isnt possible.
If you seriously believe a peaceful solution isnt possible how do you see this situation panning out?
The only way there will be peace is if the Palestinian morons decide they want it. I see no indication that they will chose to stop at anything short of the complete destruction of Israel. Don't forget, the fucking assholes elected Hamas.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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How many Palestinians really hold this viewpoint? How many of those how currently hold this view would definitely continue to hold this view in the light of a considerable change of position from the Israeli's?
can you answer this question?
This is an opinion not a fact.
It happened with Germany in WWI and WWII as far as I can tell.
http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp The Oslo "Peace" accords have not brought peace. The number of terror attacks against Israel and the number of Israelis killed by Arab terror bombings greatly escalated after Oslo to a level that has not been seen since 1948 (see statistics). The Palestinian Authority has repeatedly violated all aspects of the agreement (see full report of violations).
Recent armed violence by the army of Arafat confirm the predictions that this agreement would escalate the conflict rather than subdue it (see article). In the history there are many examples of international "peace agreements" that were rapidly followed by major wars. A well known relevant case is the Munich agreement signed by Chamberlain from Great Britain and Hitler from Germany in 1938, which was rapidly revoked by Hitler as German armies invaded Czechoslovakia in 1939 (see article).
The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Fatah Constitution that is adopted as the unofficial constitution of the Palestinian Authority also calls for the destruction of the Jewish State in most of its clauses.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander, forum rules require a link to the source of any cut-and-pastes. Could you please edit your post to include the required link?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: GazzBut]
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How many Palestinians really hold this viewpoint?
Let me ask you a similar question. How may Germans held the view that all Jews should be murdered in the camps?
Lets just guess it was much less than a majority. It still happened didn't it? It was the govt and military that did it anyway and the people just stood by and looked away.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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There is no such thing as a disproportionate response
Im not going to waste my time talking to you.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
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can you answer this question?
Not with any real certainty but I dont get your point?
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It happened with Germany in WWI and WWII as far as I can tell.
What has this got to do with anything?
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The Oslo "Peace" accords have not brought peace. The number of terror attacks against Israel and the number of Israelis killed by Arab terror bombings greatly escalated after Oslo to a level that has not been seen since 1948 (see statistics). The Palestinian Authority has repeatedly violated all aspects of the agreement (see full report of violations).
Do you want to get into numbers? Dont you realise who is really doing all the killing? fucks sake.
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Let me ask you a similar question. How may Germans held the view that all Jews should be murdered in the camps?
What point are you trying to make? The Palestinians are like the Nazis?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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Do you want to get into numbers? Dont you realise who is really doing all the killing? fucks sake.
Frankly the numbers are not that important to me. It's who is being more the aggressor and what their intent is.
If someone is attacking you and your family would you really try to make sure that you didn't hurt more of them then they had of yours?
what has that got to do with anything
It's called history and human nature. Take the time to learn about it. Especially human nature about which you seem somewhat clueless.
Not with any real certainty but I dont get your point?
Why am I not surprised?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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Im not going to waste my time talking to you.
Why should anybody use less than their best efforts when faced with genocidal lunatics? The Pally thug opponents are certainly trying their hardest. They just so happen to be grotesquely incompetent. Their ineptitude would be laughable if it wasn't for the nature of their goals, which is murder.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
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Frankly the numbers are not that important to me. It's who is being more the aggressor and what their intent is.
I think the numbers help to indicate who is acting in the most aggressive fashion.
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It's called history and human nature. Take the time to learn about it. Especially human nature about which you seem somewhat clueless.
whereas you are a self proclaimed expert on human nature? To me, the idea of a human nature which remains static and therefore always predictable, is as amusing as the idea of a flat earth.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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I think the international community should just stand back and let it sort it out. Give them a time table, and make them resolve all issues or face total annihilation.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
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Frankly the numbers are not that important to me. It's who is being more the aggressor and what their intent is.
I think the numbers help to indicate who is acting in the most aggressive fashion.
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It's called history and human nature. Take the time to learn about it. Especially human nature about which you seem somewhat clueless.
whereas you are a self proclaimed expert on human nature? To me, the idea of a human nature which remains static and therefore always predictable, is as amusing as the idea of a flat earth.
The numbers don't necessarily indicate that at all. They may indicate who is the best at fighting. A good fighter wins most of the time. And as I said if a group of killers was trying to kill my family I'd do my best to get all of them.
I'm a keen observer of human nature in myself and others. I also have done some studies on ancient history up to the present. Twas ever thus is the phrase. Humanity emotionally has not changed since ancient times. Taking a look at all the conflict around the world in many cultures should make this clear. The same things are motivating these conflicts as were motivating them in ancient times.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
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Frankly the numbers are not that important to me. It's who is being more the aggressor and what their intent is.
I think the numbers help to indicate who is acting in the most aggressive fashion.
Why are you such a pussy? Do you really think Muslims give a shit about your well-being? You are the infidel. I guarantee that if this sort of terrorism was actually affecting you, you wouldn't be such a bitch about your proposed response.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 4896744]
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Forget that Zionist Irgun petty much invented modern terrorism and used it against Arab and British Palestinians, and that Netanyahu comes from a political party derived from Irgun.
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List of Irgun attacks 1937-1948 Date↓ Casualties↓ References↓ 1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. [12] 1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday") [13][14] 1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. [14] 1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa [14] 1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. [14] 1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. [14] 1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. [14] 1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. [14] 1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. [14] 1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [15] 1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. [14] 1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. [14][16] 1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [14] 1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [14][17] 1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. [14] 1938, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. [18] 1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. [14] 1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. [14][19] 1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing [14] 1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. [14][20] 1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period. [14][21] 1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. [14] 1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [14][22] 1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. [14] 1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. [14] 1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. [14] 1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. [14] 1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. [14] 1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations [23] 1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem. [23] 1945, November 1 5 locomotives destroyed in Lydda station. Two staff, one soldier and one policeman killed. [24] 1945, December 27 3 British policemen and 4 Basuto soldiers killed during the bombing of British CID headquarters in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv [25][26] 1946, February 22 Destroyed 14 aeroplanes at 5 RAF stations. [27] 1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, staff of the hotel or Secretariat, 41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian. [28][29][30] 1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station. [31] 1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [32] 1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters. [33] 1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion. [34] 1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp. [34] 1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged. [35] 1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [33] 1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station. [33] 1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [36] 1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [37] 1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [38] 1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [38] 1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudieh. [38] 1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [39] 1947, December 20 6 Arabs killed, dozens wounded by bomb at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre. [40] 1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [33][41] 1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [42] 1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [43] 1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [44][45] 1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [46] 1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla [47] 1948, March 1 20 Britons killed and 30 wounded in the Bevingrad Officers Club bombing [48] 1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters. [49][50][51][52][53] 1948, April 6 7 British soldiers, including Commanding Officer, killed during an arms raid on Pardes Hanna Army camp.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Shins]
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I couldn't care less, Israel isn't a threat to my well-being.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 4896744]
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No? how short sighted of you.
And who do you perceive as being a threat, Muslim terrorists?
The ones that kill less people annually than bee stings or lightning strikes?
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iThink said: I couldn't care less, Israel isn't a threat to my well-being.
No? how short sighted of you.
And who do you perceive as being a threat, Muslim terrorists?
The ones that kill less people annually than bee stings or lightning strikes?
If we allow these fucks to grow unhindered they may actually become a threat to my well-being. They also made it harder for me to bring drugs on airplanes.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 4896744]
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I didn't know Arab terrorists changed the laws about airplanes... I thought the government was full of Zionists not Muslims.
The reason a threat would be growing is as a reaction to Zionist foreign policy.
So who came first, the chicken or the Zionist?
Forget that Zionists in charge of the Federal Reserve fucked over your economy and well being too...
Blame thee Muslims though, it's a much easier, convenient scapegoat for those who are lazy.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Shins]
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It appears there's a deliberate attempt by those who should know better to tie the issue of Palestinian statehood with 911.
The modern state of Israel has about as much rightful claim to Palestine, as Americans would if this country falls, have claim to go back to England, set off a bunch of terrorist bombs, kick the Brits out of their homes at gunpoint, disarm them, and then resettle US residents into those homes, claim England as the ancestral homeland of Americans and then declare all of London as the capital of the United States. Of course, any British citizen who joins the resistance to regain his home would be shot as a terrorist and his family's home in Scotland or Ireland would be bulldozed into the ground.
The current GOP field is falling all over themselves trying to win a tiny slice of the Jewish vote, which went overwhelmingly to Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012. What they don't care about is that a majority of Israeli Jews as well as a majority of American Jews support a peace accord based on the 1967 borders.
Even Meir Dagan, the just retired head of the Mossad spy agency who spent his career tracking down enemies of Israel, supports a peace accord based on the 1967 borders. It's just a few whack chicken-hawks who claim those borders are a 'threat' to Israel. Gosh, it took all of 6 days to kick the holy shit out of the Arab world from those same borders in 1967, and Israel is exponentially stronger now than it was then.
The quickest way to get it done is to cut Israel off from the endless tit of the American taxpayer and tell them if they don't want to accept peace, to do it on their own damn nickel. Our deficits are high enough without borrowing more money to finance an endless state of war just so radical politicians can pander to a tiny, but loud-mouthed constituency with our tax dollars. RR
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said: It appears there's a deliberate attempt by those who should know better to tie the issue of Palestinian statehood with 911.
The modern state of Israel has about as much rightful claim to Palestine, as Americans would if this country falls, have claim to go back to England, set off a bunch of terrorist bombs, kick the Brits out of their homes at gunpoint, disarm them, and then resettle US residents into those homes, claim England as the ancestral homeland of Americans and then declare all of London as the capital of the United States. Of course, any British citizen who joins the resistance to regain his home would be shot as a terrorist and his family's home in Scotland or Ireland would be bulldozed into the ground.
The current GOP field is falling all over themselves trying to win a tiny slice of the Jewish vote, which went overwhelmingly to Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012. What they don't care about is that a majority of Israeli Jews as well as a majority of American Jews support a peace accord based on the 1967 borders.
Even Meir Dagan, the just retired head of the Mossad spy agency who spent his career tracking down enemies of Israel, supports a peace accord based on the 1967 borders. It's just a few whack chicken-hawks who claim those borders are a 'threat' to Israel. Gosh, it took all of 6 days to kick the holy shit out of the Arab world from those same borders in 1967, and Israel is exponentially stronger now than it was then.
The quickest way to get it done is to cut Israel off from the endless tit of the American taxpayer and tell them if they don't want to accept peace, to do it on their own damn nickel. Our deficits are high enough without borrowing more money to finance an endless state of war just so radical politicians can pander to a tiny, but loud-mouthed constituency with our tax dollars. RR
If you want to cut off Israeli aid you should also cut off aid to all Muslims. I think the Israelis would be fine without US government money. The Muslims? Not so much.
And no, you are completely wrong about what a majority of Jews and Israelis think about the 1967 borders. (Which 1967 borders, by the way? The ones at the beginning or the ones at the end?)
If the Pallys stop fighting there will be no war. If the Israelis stop fighting there will be no Israel. I suspect that is probably your preference anyway. You've been in Couer D'Alene too long.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: If you want to cut off Israeli aid you should also cut off aid to all Muslims. I think the Israelis would be fine without US government money. The Muslims? Not so much.
Yahhhh. dont we pretty much fund pakistan?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: memes]
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Pakistan, Egypt, the Pally nutjobs whoever they are, pretty much everybody. We buy foreign cooperation. Oh my what a concept! Sometimes we get our money's worth, sometimes we don't. I'm not real big on paying tribute or buying off extortionists.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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Fuck Egypt Pakistan Israel all of them let them fight among them selves- Who ever wins wins- We are busy getting invaded by mexicans
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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There's nothing that can be done with the situation. Both sides are going to be violent to eachother regardless.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: communisaurus]
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You might be right and so why would it be a surprise if America backs the one that most represent our interests?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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If you want to cut off Israeli aid you should also cut off aid to all Muslims. I think the Israelis would be fine without US government money. The Muslims? Not so much.
I agree 100%
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zappaisgod said: And no, you are completely wrong about what a majority of Jews and Israelis think about the 1967 borders. (Which 1967 borders, by the way? The ones at the beginning or the ones at the end?)
No, I'm not. And everyone knows 'which' 1967 borders.
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zappaisgod said: If the Pallys stop fighting there will be no war. If the Israelis stop fighting there will be no Israel. I suspect that is probably your preference anyway. You've been in Couer D'Alene too long.
If the Palestinians quit fighting for their homeland, they deserve no homeland. Israel has an offer of peace with the whole Arab world based on those borders. They get to keep the land they took by force from the Palestinian people in 1948, which is a hell of an offer.
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You've been in Couer D'Alene too long.
Don't pull that white supremacist bullshit racism on me. I've had to deal with it my whole life. I don't live in Idaho and never have, nor would I as an American of Jewish descent spend my money anywhere near nazi assholes or the communities which harbor and support them. RR
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: RogerRabbit]
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typical religion bullshit and all the associated useless opinions =X
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: LayinUp]
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Why do you say its Nazi bull shit ideology? Zappa explain why they hate Jews,but are Christians- The founder of their religion was a Jew-
If it made peace in the world, would you give (jews) you town or state- for instance Florida- just move them all to daytona- Would that be fair?
How about we give the Natives back their land in Couer D'Alene- Since it was named after some Indians that lived there, that sense got killed off- Where On the Jews part they LEFT ISRAEL on their own accord-(invaded Germany,Like the Mexicans(and other illegals) are doing to the United States- Then they got it back after WW2 Why is that?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
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Fair? Might makes right in this world? Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Fair? Might makes right in this world? Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began.
No Israel is whee its at, B/c the Allied powers gave it to them after WW2- They can only hold it B/c they have backing and lots of money,Planes, tanks - given to them by the United States
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
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Icelander said: Fair? Might makes right in this world? Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began.
No Israel is whee its at, B/c the Allied powers gave it to them after WW2- They can only hold it B/c they have backing and lots of money,Planes, tanks - given to them by the United States
You are partially correct that it is there because the allies gave it to them. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MIDDLE-EASTERN NATION. They have also done quite a bit of work to maintain their presence.
The Israelis have certainly received substantial aid from the US although I am not sure that it was essential to its survival. They have a robust and competent arms industry of their own. We even buy some of their military equipment. The US has also given quite a lot of military aid to the Arab nations in the region including actively engaging in warfare on their behalf, something we have not done for Israel.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
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They have a robust and competent arms industry of their own. We even buy some of their military equipment. The US has also given quite a lot of military aid to the Arab nations in the region including -
Well we as the united states should not give to either side let them fight it out- Its not economically viable any more-
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
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Icelander said: Fair? Might makes right in this world? Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began.
No Israel is whee its at, B/c the Allied powers gave it to them after WW2- They can only hold it B/c they have backing and lots of money,Planes, tanks - given to them by the United States
What you don't understand is that they had the power to persuade the Allied powers to give it to them no matter what method they used. And they had the power to get the backing of other powerful countries and they created lots of money by what ever means they did this. My original statement stands as stated. There are many ways to gain and use power. You don't have to use the sword.
We give aid to them because they are an allied country. If we had to go to war with the middle east they would be a very powerful ally indeed.
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