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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14554555 - 06/03/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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It appears there's a deliberate attempt by those who should know better to tie the issue of Palestinian statehood with 911.

The modern state of Israel has about as much rightful claim to Palestine, as Americans would if this country falls, have claim to go back to England, set off a bunch of terrorist bombs, kick the Brits out of their homes at gunpoint, disarm them, and then resettle US residents into those homes, claim England as the ancestral homeland of Americans and then declare all of London as the capital of the United States.  Of course, any British citizen who joins the resistance to regain his home would be shot as a terrorist and his family's home in Scotland or Ireland would be bulldozed into the ground.

The current GOP field is falling all over themselves trying to win a tiny slice of the Jewish vote, which went overwhelmingly to Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012.  What they don't care about is that a majority of Israeli Jews as well as a majority of American Jews support a peace accord based on the 1967 borders.

Even Meir Dagan, the just retired head of the Mossad spy agency who spent his career tracking down enemies of Israel, supports a peace accord based on the 1967 borders.  It's just a few whack chicken-hawks who claim those borders are a 'threat' to Israel.  Gosh, it took all of 6 days to kick the holy shit out of the Arab world from those same borders in 1967, and Israel is exponentially stronger now than it was then.

The quickest way to get it done is to cut Israel off from the endless tit of the American taxpayer and tell them if they don't want to accept peace, to do it on their own damn nickel. Our deficits are high enough without borrowing more money to finance an endless state of war just so radical politicians can pander to a tiny, but loud-mouthed constituency with our tax dollars.
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If you want to cut off Israeli aid you should also cut off aid to all Muslims.  I think the Israelis would be fine without US government money.  The Muslims?  Not so much.

And no, you are completely wrong about what a majority of Jews and Israelis think about the 1967 borders.  (Which 1967 borders, by the way?  The ones at the beginning or the ones at the end?)

If the Pallys stop fighting there will be no war.  If the Israelis stop fighting there will be no Israel.  I suspect that is probably your preference anyway.  You've been in Couer D'Alene too long.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14554785 - 06/03/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you want to cut off Israeli aid you should also cut off aid to all Muslims.  I think the Israelis would be fine without US government money.  The Muslims?  Not so much.




Yahhhh.  dont we pretty much fund pakistan?

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: memes]
    #14554792 - 06/03/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Pakistan, Egypt, the Pally nutjobs whoever they are, pretty much everybody.  We buy foreign cooperation.  Oh my what a concept!  Sometimes we get our money's worth, sometimes we don't.  I'm not real big on paying tribute or buying off extortionists.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14555793 - 06/03/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck Egypt Pakistan Israel all of them let them fight among them selves- Who ever wins wins-  We are busy getting invaded by mexicans

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14555938 - 06/03/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It isn't just Mexicans.  Not by a long shot.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14556040 - 06/03/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There's nothing that can be done with the situation. Both sides are going to be violent to eachother regardless.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: communisaurus]
    #14556855 - 06/03/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You might be right and so why would it be a surprise if America backs the one that most represent our interests?


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14562351 - 06/04/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you want to cut off Israeli aid you should also cut off aid to all Muslims.  I think the Israelis would be fine without US government money.  The Muslims?  Not so much.





I agree 100%

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And no, you are completely wrong about what a majority of Jews and Israelis think about the 1967 borders.  (Which 1967 borders, by the way?  The ones at the beginning or the ones at the end?)




No, I'm not.  And everyone knows 'which' 1967 borders.

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If the Pallys stop fighting there will be no war.  If the Israelis stop fighting there will be no Israel.  I suspect that is probably your preference anyway.  You've been in Couer D'Alene too long.




If the Palestinians quit fighting for their homeland, they deserve no homeland.  Israel has an offer of peace with the whole Arab world based on those borders. They get to keep the land they took by force from the Palestinian people in 1948, which is a hell of an offer.

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You've been in Couer D'Alene too long.



Don't pull that white supremacist bullshit racism on me. I've had to deal with it my whole life. I don't live in Idaho and never have, nor would I as an American of Jewish descent spend my money anywhere near nazi assholes or the communities which harbor and support them.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14562370 - 06/04/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

typical religion bullshit and all the associated useless opinions =X


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: LayinUp]
    #14562390 - 06/04/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you say its Nazi bull shit ideology? Zappa explain why they hate Jews,but are Christians- The founder of their religion was a Jew- 

If it made peace in the world, would you give (jews) you town or state- for instance Florida- just move them all to daytona- Would that be fair?

How about we give the Natives back their land in Couer D'Alene- Since it was named after some Indians that lived there, that sense got killed off- Where On the Jews part they LEFT ISRAEL on their own accord-(invaded Germany,Like the Mexicans(and other illegals) are doing to the United States-  Then they got it back after WW2 Why is that?

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14564176 - 06/05/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Fair?  Might makes right in this world?  Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began. 


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
    #14564434 - 06/05/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fair?  Might makes right in this world?  Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began. 




No Israel is whee its at, B/c the Allied powers gave it to them after WW2- They can only hold it B/c they have backing and lots of money,Planes, tanks - given to them by the United States

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14564460 - 06/05/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fair?  Might makes right in this world?  Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began. 




No Israel is whee its at, B/c the Allied powers gave it to them after WW2- They can only hold it B/c they have backing and lots of money,Planes, tanks - given to them by the United States




You are partially correct that it is there because the allies gave it to them.  JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MIDDLE-EASTERN NATION.  They have also done quite a bit of work to maintain their presence.

The Israelis have certainly received substantial aid from the US although I am not sure that it was essential to its survival.  They have a robust and competent arms industry of their own.  We even buy some of their military equipment.  The US has also given quite a lot of military aid to the Arab nations in the region including actively engaging in warfare on their behalf, something we have not done for Israel.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14564720 - 06/05/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

They have a robust and competent arms industry of their own.  We even buy some of their military equipment.  The US has also given quite a lot of military aid to the Arab nations in the region including -

Well we as the united states should not give to either side let them fight it out-  Its not economically viable any more-

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14564865 - 06/05/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fair?  Might makes right in this world?  Israel is where it is because it could take it and can hold it. Same for every tribe since time began. 




No Israel is whee its at, B/c the Allied powers gave it to them after WW2- They can only hold it B/c they have backing and lots of money,Planes, tanks - given to them by the United States





What you don't understand is that they had the power to persuade the Allied powers to give it to them no matter what method they used.  And they had the power to get the backing of other powerful countries  and they created lots of money by what ever means they did this.  My original statement stands as stated.  There are many ways to gain and use power. You don't have to use the sword.

We give aid to them because they are an allied country. If we had to go to war with the middle east they would be a very powerful ally indeed.


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