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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14519673 - 05/27/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I have no problem with Israel really. They have the right to exist. But they should give up a small bit of land for the Palestinians or they're never going to have peace.



I believe that has been their policy for some time but the murdering morons reject it.  They did, you know, give them the Gaza Strip.  How'd that work out?


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14519731 - 05/27/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The international community of victors carved out all of the Middle Eastern borders.




Exactly. To the victors the spoils, might is right and to hell with the natives. I just hope these kinds of thought patterns that find this acceptable die out soon. Its an evolutionary imperative as it really does lead us, unnecessarily, into the shithouse.

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Why yes, it could be considered exactly that.




Only if you rewrite the commonly held meanings of our existing vocabulary to suit yourself.

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I believe almost the entire world recognizes Israel as a legitimate state.




The power elite and its slimy little lick spittle's may do but if you were to survey every inhabitant of spaceship earth I think you would find only a small minority actually support the European Zionist occupation of Palestine.

I mean, Even the Jews dont fully support Israel!

Still rather not comment on the Neturei Karta's position I suppose Zappa? Go on, call them racist anti-semites...i dare ya!

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: GazzBut]
    #14519819 - 05/27/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The international community of victors carved out all of the Middle Eastern borders.




Exactly. To the victors the spoils, might is right and to hell with the natives. I just hope these kinds of thought patterns that find this acceptable die out soon. Its an evolutionary imperative as it really does lead us, unnecessarily, into the shithouse.




No it doesn't.  Every fucking border in the world was established that way, including ALL of Europe.
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Why yes, it could be considered exactly that.




Only if you rewrite the commonly held meanings of our existing vocabulary to suit yourself.




A strong case can be made that the West Bank should be cleared of all Palestinians for security purposes.
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I believe almost the entire world recognizes Israel as a legitimate state.




The power elite and its slimy little lick spittle's may do but if you were to survey every inhabitant of spaceship earth I think you would find only a small minority actually support the European Zionist occupation of Palestine.




The power elite, as you call it, also recognizes the borders of the state you live in. Maybe you should live someplace under constant attack.  Regarding the European emigration to Israel does not every nation have the right to control it's borders and who it allows to emigrate their?  Why yes, yes they do.  As to surveying the spaceship earth there are one billion Muslim losers and 20 million Jews.  I'm not asking those one billion assholes what they think about anything.
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I mean, Even the Jews dont fully support Israel!

Still rather not comment on the Neturei Karta's position I suppose Zappa? Go on, call them racist anti-semites...i dare ya!




I reject their position as does most of world Jewrie.  It does not surprise me that there are anti-Zionist Jews.  They've been around for a long time.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #14520473 - 05/27/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Zappa you present a remarkable caricature of unbridled stupidity and prejudice. Bravo!


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: GazzBut]
    #14520775 - 05/27/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Zappa you present a remarkable caricature of unbridled stupidity and prejudice. Bravo!


There is nothing prejudicial about my views.  Unlike you, I wasn't born yesterday.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14520913 - 05/27/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea you are way way to much Palestinian  haten  and Jew lovin-  Basically you are taking religious sides, since Judaism  are a religion, But Palestinians  are a ethnic group.    The real Frank zappa would be pissed like he says  "your an Asshole"

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14521214 - 05/27/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yea you are way way to much Palestinian  haten  and Jew lovin-  Basically you are taking religious sides, since Judaism  are a religion, But Palestinians  are a ethnic group.    The real Frank zappa would be pissed like he says  "your an Asshole"



Nope.  Don't give two shits about either religion.  One side acts like reasonable human beings and the other side are raving and drooling murderous scum who put suicide vests on their children. 

You know nothing about Frank Zappa.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14521365 - 05/27/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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One side acts like reasonable human beings and the other side are raving and drooling murderous scum who put suicide vests on their children.


 

One acts like a well organized military and the other like a disorganized bunch of hopeless people. The problem is that there is confusion in the respect for the people as opposed to the respect to the Palestinian or Israeli state. From my point of view the Israeli state cannot be forgiven for some of it's action, the Palestinian state or organization who organized suicide bombings cannot be forgiven for this action. Organizations like the PFLP,hamas,Fatah. In this conflict, There is a clear lack of care for stopping the escalation of horrors. i'm almost sick of discussing the topic.

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: communeart]
    #14521623 - 05/27/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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One side acts like reasonable human beings and the other side are raving and drooling murderous scum who put suicide vests on their children.


 

One acts like a well organized military and the other like a disorganized bunch of hopeless people. The problem is that there is confusion in the respect for the people as opposed to the respect to the Palestinian or Israeli state. From my point of view the Israeli state cannot be forgiven for some of it's action, the Palestinian state or organization who organized suicide bombings cannot be forgiven for this action. Organizations like the PFLP,hamas,Fatah. In this conflict, There is a clear lack of care for stopping the escalation of horrors. i'm almost sick of discussing the topic.




Were the Egyptian Army, the Jordanian Army, the Syrian Army all disorganized bunches of hopeless people?  No.  There is no respect for the Israeli state by the Pallys and Gazzbutts.  I cannot think of one act by the Israeli state that even needs to be forgiven.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14525205 - 05/28/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

> I cannot think of one act by the Israeli state that even needs to be forgiven.

USS Liberty comes to mind.  However, every state makes mistakes from time to time.  In general, I agree with you; there is very little that Israel needs to apologize for doing.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14529160 - 05/29/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There is nothing prejudicial about my views




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the 6th century idiots
a ragtag bunch of murdering scum.
morons and murderers.
there are one billion Muslim losers
they are inept incompetent morons.
The fucking Muslims got just about everything
Because even they know these fucking assholes are insane monsters.
It is an insecure, immature religion that hasn't gotten past the "You must believe" stage.
the Muslims are, right now, a problem
By problem I mean raving, drooling, lunatic murderers.  Not all of them, obviously, but a rather huge minority.  Like in the hundreds of millions.
The Palestinians do not even deserve the level of treatment they get from Israel.
The freakshow Arabs




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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
    #14530032 - 05/29/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol::thumbup:

But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country,  would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: GazzBut]
    #14530175 - 05/29/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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There is nothing prejudicial about my views




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the 6th century idiots
a ragtag bunch of murdering scum.
morons and murderers.
there are one billion Muslim losers
they are inept incompetent morons.
The fucking Muslims got just about everything
Because even they know these fucking assholes are insane monsters.
It is an insecure, immature religion that hasn't gotten past the "You must believe" stage.
the Muslims are, right now, a problem
By problem I mean raving, drooling, lunatic murderers.  Not all of them, obviously, but a rather huge minority.  Like in the hundreds of millions.
The Palestinians do not even deserve the level of treatment they get from Israel.
The freakshow Arabs






None of those facts are prejudicial.  Muslims in general and the Palestinians in particular have earned every iota of my disgust.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14532437 - 05/29/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea cuz the hole Crusades thing was there fault too-  Thats why the arabic world loves us

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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
    #14534474 - 05/30/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country,  would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.




I dont deny thats a possibility but I wouldnt say its a cast iron certainty. To get to the stage where Palestine bacame a sovereign country would take a lot of dialogue and concessions from both sides. Who knows how that would change things? I think its fairly obvious there are lunatics on both side of the equation but I dont think they are the majority just the loudest and most visible.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14534905 - 05/30/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yea cuz the hole Crusades thing was there fault too-  Thats why the arabic world loves us



:rofl2:

Maybe we should consider their invasions from several hundred years ago, too.  But we don't because we live in the present, unlike the sixth century morons.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
    #14534908 - 05/30/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country,  would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.




I dont deny thats a possibility but I wouldnt say its a cast iron certainty. To get to the stage where Palestine bacame a sovereign country would take a lot of dialogue and concessions from both sides. Who knows how that would change things? I think its fairly obvious there are lunatics on both side of the equation but I dont think they are the majority just the loudest and most visible.



Not a cast iron certainty?  What happened the second the Israelis handed over the Gaza Strip?  There may be lunatics on both sides but there is only one side in which they are in control.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: GazzBut]
    #14535247 - 05/30/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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But do you actually believe for a moment that Palestine, were it a sovereign country,  would not attack Israel given the opportunity. That just seems naive.




I dont deny thats a possibility but I wouldnt say its a cast iron certainty. To get to the stage where Palestine bacame a sovereign country would take a lot of dialogue and concessions from both sides. Who knows how that would change things? I think its fairly obvious there are lunatics on both side of the equation but I dont think they are the majority just the loudest and most visible.





When someone calls for my destruction, vows it, acts on it now and in the past I'd be a damn fool to think the next time is going to be different.  There is a certain type of liberal that has never been around war and has never been in the real world and  that thinks we will all play nice if we just give in a little.  That's really not how fanatics see things. Giving in is giving up to them and they will go for the throat.  I would love for these liberals to be right but history has proven them wrong almost every time.  So imo this type of liberal attitude is very dangerous.


In many ways I carry liberal attitudes about social issues but not on this.  I'm just not that naive. And while I'm convinced that Israel has committed some atrocities they imo are very little compared to the desires that their enemies have on them.  The fact that they occupy the land means it's theirs just as much as America is ours.  All territories are fought over and change hands throughout history.  Frankly it's how nature operates. Ultimately the land belongs to those that can hold it and someone else will always want it so you will have to fight from time to time. Sad but true.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: Icelander]
    #14539200 - 05/31/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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When someone calls for my destruction, vows it, acts on it now and in the past I'd be a damn fool to think the next time is going to be different.




How many Palestinians really hold this viewpoint? How many of those how currently hold this view would definitely continue to hold this view in the light of a considerable change of position from the Israeli's?

As the wiki leaks show, Israel harbour fairly dark designs on the Palestinians so lets not pretend this is a one sided thing.

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That's really not how fanatics see things. Giving in is giving up to them and they will go for the throat.




This is an opinion not a fact.

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I would love for these liberals to be right but history has proven them wrong almost every time.  So imo this type of liberal attitude is very dangerous.





Can you give me an example where after a protracted conflict both sides come to a point where they both make concessions to come to some kind of a settlement only for fanatics on one side to ignore the agreement and attempt to destroy the other side completely?

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And while I'm convinced that Israel has committed some atrocities they imo are very little compared to the desires that their enemies have on them.




So because some Palestinians hold murderous desires toward the Israeli's the atrocities that the Israeli's have ACTUALLY committed, which far outweigh anything the Palestinians have ACTUALLY done to the Israelis, can be excused?

Interesting logic.


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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14539213 - 05/31/11 04:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Not a cast iron certainty?




Labelling anything a cast iron certainty seems like a mistake to me.

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What happened the second the Israelis handed over the Gaza Strip?




Hamas continued their attacks and Israel's disproportianate response ensured the attacks would continue.

Maybe Hamas cannot be part of the solution but that doesnt mean a peaceful solution isnt possible.

If you seriously believe a peaceful solution isnt possible how do you see this situation panning out?


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