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The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine
#14493792 - 05/22/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Border disputes are so immature don't you guys think?
Israel: The line I drew in the sand is correct. Pallistine: NO the line that I drew was correct. Israel:Oh ya tough guy. Pallistine:Yeah Israel:lets battle! Pallistine: god promised me this land Israel: only after the real god promised it to us the chosen people Pallistine: you were not chosen it was Ishmael who was circumsized Israel: no it was Isaac!
Obama and Netanyahoo are having this huge battle about the 1967 Israeli borders what do you guys think should we go back to 1967 or we can never go back because like Netanyahoo said "those borders are indefensible"
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: learningtofly]
#14493914 - 05/22/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 6 hours ago) |
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We? I didn't know you lived there. Netanyahu is certainly correct that they are, at the very least, extremely difficult to defend. He is also correct to point out that Obama called for nothing from the genocidal monsters. Andrew McCarthy has some excellent observations on just how much of a betrayal of a trusted ally this was http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/267796/borderline-treachery-andrew-c-mccarthy
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To begin with, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was quick to point out, the 1967 borders are “indefensible.” That is why they have never been the starting point of U.S. policy, even though they always hover over negotiations. In its implacable hostility to Israel, the “international community” chooses to forget how and why the Arab side first grabbed, then lost, the territory in question. For nearly a half century since the adoption of U.N. Security Council resolution 242, the Washington Institute’s Robert Satloff explains, American administrations of both parties have called for eventual Israeli withdrawal to “secure and recognized” borders, a phrase interpreted as “not synonymous with the pre-1967 boundaries.”
By his new articulation, President Obama would deny Israel crucial negotiating leverage. If there is to be a peace settlement (which there cannot be until there are two parties that want peace), Israel must have the latitude to make territorial concessions in exchange for reliable concessions on security and other matters. It cannot be coerced into accepting an Obama-imposed fait accompli that leaves it fatally vulnerable to enemies whose ferocity is only encouraged by this bullying.
Bear in mind that what are called the “1967 borders” were never agreed-upon national boundaries. The Jewish claim on Judea and Samaria has roots in antiquity. This fact was intentionally obfuscated by Obama’s earlier suggestion in Cairo that Israel’s creation was an ill-conceived payback for the Holocaust, as it is by the convention of referring to Judea and Samaria as “the West Bank,” the name Jordan gave them when it seized and occupied them at the conclusion of Israel’s war of independence. The Arabs, of course, never created a Palestinian state when it was within their power to do so. Thus, the final disposition of this territory has never been resolved. It is a subject for negotiations, not predetermined Palestinian sovereignty.
Obama kowtows to thugs and kicks allies in the nuts. Chamberlain. Cowardly and stupid.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
#14493932 - 05/22/11 12:49 PM (13 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Chamberlain did declare war to germany when it invaded an inferior race called the poles. from the nazi perspective anyway.
Obama in his speech did point out that technology is changing and that israel's defence will be even harder due to easy to make missiles such as the qassam, it will only get worse as time goes on.
I listened to the young turks today and someone pointed out that israel is the only country not changing around the area. it must change just like everyone else or it will fall. a new election could do this of course. it is about time the united states uses it's influence (foreign aid) to tone down the aggressivity of the zionist regime.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14494199 - 05/22/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 5 hours ago) |
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communeart said: it is about time the united states uses it's influence (foreign aid) to tone down the aggressivity of the zionist regime.
Have you ever heard about Iran?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: fireworks_god]
#14494888 - 05/22/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago) |
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if we dont go back to 1967 borders than what do we do with all the Pallistinian refugees?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: learningtofly]
#14494905 - 05/22/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago) |
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We? Maybe they could be absorbed within the incredibly huge Muslim nations that are all around, much like tiny Israel absorbed the 100s of thousands of Jewish refugees expelled from those nations.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: fireworks_god] 1
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communeart said: it is about time the united states uses it's influence (foreign aid) to tone down the aggressivity of the zionist regime.
Have you ever heard about Iran?
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We? Maybe they could be absorbed within the incredibly huge Muslim nations that are all around, much like tiny Israel absorbed the 100s of thousands of Jewish refugees expelled from those nations.
ethnic cleansing is illegal bro. and so you want all those people to lose their house, the land whose fruit they reap? how about all the children in prison, all those suicide bombers, you think people suicide bomb themselves for some piece of land and will pack their shit and leave an holy place? the only solution is a two state solution, a mixed-race one state solution is my hippy pipe dream, and the ethnically pure jewish one state solution is your jock pipe dream.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14495413 - 05/22/11 06:19 PM (13 years, 58 minutes ago) |
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What, pray tell, do you think establishes Palestinians as a separate ethnicity from every other Arab? Nothing. What, if not ethnic cleansing, was the expulsion of the Jews from Arab lands? What ethnic cleansing is there if there are many, many Arabs already living as Israeli citizens and holding office in the Knesset?
Do you even know what ethnic cleansing is? Because you can find an excellent definition of it in the Hamas charter.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
#14495444 - 05/22/11 06:27 PM (13 years, 50 minutes ago) |
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lol, cleaning any number of people from an ethnicity from any land is ethnic cleansing, whether they are the same as arab is moot. i am sure you have a regional identity, what if the native american decided to cleanse all people from chicago. that wouldn't piss off anyone? it's their land after all. i do not care if they hold office in the knesset, the people there have to go through cultural genocide if they are on this side of the fence. most jewish political parties call for their dismissal every fucking time they make a point in favor of the palestinians anyway.
the expulsion of jews from arab land was caused by the establishment of israel, most jews living in those region had nobody but jews in their social circle. they were thus easily recruited as spies just like in the lavon affair. this is the history of the jews in a nutshell, their persecution is caused by the different behavior that they have compared to other ethnicities of the world. and that in turn is caused by the teachings of their rabbis, which instruct them to spit on the ground whenever the word jesus is pronounced. they resisted assimilation through no other means than finding ways to despise the population of the countries in which they live in, even if their code says that they must respect the laws and habits of the people in the countries they reside in. it is no different than my own people, who resisted assimilation through preventing their young catholic french canadian girl from speaking to anglo protestant soldiers, who listened to priests who forced woman to give birth to babies even if it was dangerous. every baby pumped around the year 1800 was done for the survival of the culture. fearing english assimilation.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Palestine [Re: communeart]
#14495478 - 05/22/11 06:35 PM (13 years, 42 minutes ago) |
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With your definition, than Jordon is guilty of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians ala Black September, 1970
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14495540 - 05/22/11 06:54 PM (13 years, 23 minutes ago) |
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communeart said: lol, cleaning any number of people from an ethnicity from any land is ethnic cleansing, whether they are the same as arab is moot. i am sure you have a regional identity, what if the native american decided to cleanse all people from chicago. that wouldn't piss off anyone? it's their land after all. i do not care if they hold office in the knesset, the people there have to go through cultural genocide if they are on this side of the fence. most jewish political parties call for their dismissal every fucking time they make a point in favor of the palestinians anyway.
My what unsubstantiated bullshit. And no, Kemosabe, Chicago does not belong to the Indians. Another word you should research is genocide. There is no such thing as cultural genocide. And if most Jewish parties called for their dismissal they would be dismissed.Quote:
the expulsion of jews from arab land was caused by the establishment of israel, most jews living in those region had nobody but jews in their social circle. they were thus easily recruited as spies just like in the lavon affair. this is the history of the jews in a nutshell, their persecution is caused by the different behavior that they have compared to other ethnicities of the world. and that in turn is caused by the teachings of their rabbis, which instruct them to spit on the ground whenever the word jesus is pronounced. they resisted assimilation through no other means than finding ways to despise the population of the countries in which they live in, even if their code says that they must respect the laws and habits of the people in the countries they reside in. it is no different than my own people, who resisted assimilation through preventing their young catholic french canadian girl from speaking to anglo protestant soldiers, who listened to priests who forced woman to give birth to babies even if it was dangerous. every baby pumped around the year 1800 was done for the survival of the culture. fearing english assimilation.
I'm so sorry you were brought up in such an ignorant and intolerant culture. Maybe you should give Montreal back to the Hurons.
The creation of Israel justified the expulsion of Jews from Arab nations? When Arabs got almost everything? Spare me.
"The rabbis instruct them to spit on the ground whenever the name Jesus is pronounced?" You really are a stunningly ignorant little monster. Then there is this:
"it is no different than my own people, who resisted assimilation through preventing their young catholic french canadian girl from speaking to anglo protestant soldiers, who listened to priests who forced woman to give birth to babies even if it was dangerous."
You do realize that if abortion was commonplace back then you probably wouldn't exist, right? Surely some one of your ancestors would have been snuffed. Don't quite understand what you're getting at regarding the Protestant Anglo soldiers, either. And Protestants don't have priests.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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My what unsubstantiated bullshit. And no, Kemosabe, Chicago does not belong to the Indians. Another word you should research is genocide. There is no such thing as cultural genocide. And if most Jewish parties called for their dismissal they would be dismissed.
they did call for their dismissal from the parliament for being traitors and denying israel's jewish character during the gaza flotilla crisis. all of america belongs to the native americans, much more than israel belongs to the jews. there is such a thing as cultural genocide, it is to force children into schools just like it happened in australia. what is that called then?
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I'm so sorry you were brought up in such an ignorant and intolerant culture. Maybe you should give Montreal back to the Hurons.
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The creation of Israel justified the expulsion of Jews from Arab nations? When Arabs got almost everything? Spare me.
what did arabs get? a large number of their people were expulsed because of the war from their home, it's called nakba. it did not necessarily justify the expulsion , but israel welcomed and encouraged all those people to go in israel, they also actively encouraged their population to spy on their ancient host countries. that was my point. And if Nakba is bullshit for you, then the expulsion of jews is much more justified in the eye of somebody toying with human life. what do you make of palestinian farmers who are on their own land,and have been given this land from father to son but forced to leave due to israel.
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You do realize that if abortion was commonplace back then you probably wouldn't exist, right? Surely some one of your ancestors would have been snuffed. Don't quite understand what you're getting at regarding the Protestant Anglo soldiers, either. And Protestants don't have priests.
i am not talking about abortion, but making extra-babies when the doctor states that it is dangerous to create more babies but the priest is pushing it in order to resist english assimilation. it is a part of the history of my country to have priests bitching about catholic girls talking to english soldiers after the conquest.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
#14496030 - 05/22/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you hold Egypt or Morocco or............ Algeria or Iraq or....... Tunisia equally accountable for the banishment of approx 600,000 Jewish peoples?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Do you hold Egypt or Morocco or............ Algeria or Iraq or....... Tunisia equally accountable for the banishment of approx 600,000 Jewish peoples?
more or less, israel actually pays people to go live in israel. each year they light up a candle saying that next year they will go in israel. if the zionist don't give a fuck about nakba, i don't see why i should care about their expulsion from the arab world. both side can easily make bullshit up to excuse it. it is no different.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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Just for my clarity, you believe that Israel and the other Arabian and North African governments are equally to blame for one anther's banishments?
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Just for my clarity, you believe that Israel and the other Arabian and North African governments are equally to blame for one anther's banishments?
I would argue that one followed another. I do think it was kinda inevitable for a large amount of the palestinian population to flee. war is exactly about exaction,offensive, retaliation. there is no level in which warfare doesn't go.
There were pogroms around 1945 and 1948 following the war, following nazi propaganda probably. jews were terror bombing palestine or the british mandate at the time. the history of the jews is full of moment where in face of superior number and untamable hatred, they couldn't see the difference if they act peacefully or ruthlessly and so they act decisively, and bomb the hotel david.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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My what unsubstantiated bullshit. And no, Kemosabe, Chicago does not belong to the Indians. Another word you should research is genocide. There is no such thing as cultural genocide. And if most Jewish parties called for their dismissal they would be dismissed.
they did call for their dismissal from the parliament for being traitors and denying israel's jewish character during the gaza flotilla crisis. all of america belongs to the native americans, much more than israel belongs to the jews. there is such a thing as cultural genocide, it is to force children into schools just like it happened in australia. what is that called then?
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I'm so sorry you were brought up in such an ignorant and intolerant culture. Maybe you should give Montreal back to the Hurons.
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The creation of Israel justified the expulsion of Jews from Arab nations? When Arabs got almost everything? Spare me.
what did arabs get? a large number of their people were expulsed because of the war from their home, it's called nakba. it did not necessarily justify the expulsion , but israel welcomed and encouraged all those people to go in israel, they also actively encouraged their population to spy on their ancient host countries. that was my point. And if Nakba is bullshit for you, then the expulsion of jews is much more justified in the eye of somebody toying with human life. what do you make of palestinian farmers who are on their own land,and have been given this land from father to son but forced to leave due to israel.
What is this nutcase spying? You really will swallow every bit of bullshit those fuckwads say.
What did Arabs get? LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! Wow, they got almost everything, especially regarding resources. And most of the Palestinians, by far, were not expelled. They walked. There are still large numbers of Arabs living within Israel. How come they weren't expelled? Some cleansing.Quote:
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You do realize that if abortion was commonplace back then you probably wouldn't exist, right? Surely some one of your ancestors would have been snuffed. Don't quite understand what you're getting at regarding the Protestant Anglo soldiers, either. And Protestants don't have priests.
i am not talking about abortion, but making extra-babies when the doctor states that it is dangerous to create more babies but the priest is pushing it in order to resist english assimilation. it is a part of the history of my country to have priests bitching about catholic girls talking to english soldiers after the conquest.
You might want to take that issue up with the Catholic church, which still wants you to make more babies. When you speak of "your country" do you mean Canada or Quebec or the Iroquois Nation? You seem to flop all over.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: zappaisgod]
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What is this nutcase spying? You really will swallow every bit of bullshit those fuckwads say.
What did Arabs get? LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! Wow, they got almost everything, especially regarding resources. And most of the Palestinians, by far, were not expelled. They walked. There are still large numbers of Arabs living within Israel. How come they weren't expelled? Some cleansing.
what the fuck are you talking about, arab got those lands a long fucking time ago, live with the times man. large numbers of arabs living in israel? not able to be in the army or the benefits that come with it? state discrimination? inability to deny the jewish character of that nation? a man convicted of rape for pretending to be jewish in order to fuck a jewish girl ? What about Yisrael beitenu, the only realistic political parties which is calling for large swaps of land to be traded along with ethnic cleansing so that israel remains jewish. Israel will not last simply because of the demographic bomb, simply because the orthodox are more and more turning to atheism. it will have to resort to dire methods in order to survive.
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You might want to take that issue up with the Catholic church, which still wants you to make more babies. When you speak of "your country" do you mean Canada or Quebec or the Iroquois Nation? You seem to flop all over.
Quebec. it also has mostly algonquians nowdays. The quebecois nation was catholic and resisted english assimilation through our priests, which also instructed us to never rebel against the english for our own good. not until the 1960s did we start asking for more autonomy and finally we broke with a very conservative anti-communist government in 1960 as more and more people left the church and embraced atheism, this lead to the referendum of 1980, and another in 1995. The reason i compare my nation to that of the jewish people is that zionist are atheist, they had to be atheist and follow the enlightenment in order to get their country. just like we had to leave our corrupt catholic church which strangled us in order to be great and go through those movements for a sovereign country.
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Re: The 44-Year long border dispute between Israel & Pallistine [Re: communeart]
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What is this nutcase spying? You really will swallow every bit of bullshit those fuckwads say.
What did Arabs get? LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP! Wow, they got almost everything, especially regarding resources. And most of the Palestinians, by far, were not expelled. They walked. There are still large numbers of Arabs living within Israel. How come they weren't expelled? Some cleansing.
what the fuck are you talking about, arab got those lands a long fucking time ago, live with the times man. large numbers of arabs living in israel? not able to be in the army or the benefits that come with it? state discrimination? inability to deny the jewish character of that nation? a man convicted of rape for pretending to be jewish in order to fuck a jewish girl ? What about Yisrael beitenu, the only realistic political parties which is calling for large swaps of land to be traded along with ethnic cleansing so that israel remains jewish. Israel will not last simply because of the demographic bomb, simply because the orthodox are more and more turning to atheism. it will have to resort to dire methods in order to survive.
You really will swallow any bullshit that says Israel sucks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
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According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab population of Israel in 2010 is estimated at 1,573,000, representing 20.4% of the population.[4] The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[5][6][7] Many have family ties to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as to Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Negev Bedouins tend to identify more as Israelis than other Arab citizens of Israel.[8]
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You might want to take that issue up with the Catholic church, which still wants you to make more babies. When you speak of "your country" do you mean Canada or Quebec or the Iroquois Nation? You seem to flop all over.
Quebec. it also has mostly algonquians nowdays. The quebecois nation was catholic and resisted english assimilation through our priests, which also instructed us to never rebel against the english for our own good. not until the 1960s did we start asking for more autonomy and finally we broke with a very conservative anti-communist government in 1960 as more and more people left the church and embraced atheism, this lead to the referendum of 1980, and another in 1995. The reason i compare my nation to that of the jewish people is that zionist are atheist, they had to be atheist and follow the enlightenment in order to get their country. just like we had to leave our corrupt catholic church which strangled us in order to be great and go through those movements for a sovereign country.
Quebec is not a sovereign nation and the Separatists, of which you are apparently one of the last remaining members, have gotten clobbered at the polls recently
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However, in the 2006 federal elections the BQ lost three seats and in the 2008 federal elections lost an additional seat, bringing their total down to 49, but was still the most popular federal party in Quebec up until the 2011 Canadian federal election, when the BQ was decimated by the federalist NDP, with a total of 4 seats and loss of official party status in the Commons, compared to the NDP's 58, Conservatives 6 and the Liberals 7.
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