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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14513767 - 05/26/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Buddhists say want is the root of all suffering. When you want something, you aren't content with what you already have, and thus subject to emotional suffering. Nirvana, the state of wanting nothing, is freedom from suffering.

If you truly want nothing, there's not anything that can make you suffer. Even pain would just be what it would be, since you wouldn't have the want to avoid it.






I believe you are incorrect. If I understand it "attachment" is the root of suffering. Wanting is never a problem unless you have to get what you want to maintain your feeling of contentment or happiness. It's the neurotic demand that the world conform to our wishes that is the problem.


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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Icelander]
    #14514173 - 05/26/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"If I understand it "attachment" is the root of suffering. Wanting is never a problem unless you have to get what you want to maintain your feeling of contentment or happiness. It's the neurotic demand that the world conform to our wishes that is the problem. "

I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing with different words. Wanting is attachment, you can't be attached without wanting anything, and you can't want anything without being attached. Both result in people with the feeling that the world should conform to them, and that feeling of "hunger" that results from not having all of one's desires met.


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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14514875 - 05/26/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

and you can't want anything without being attached.

I can and do often.

I want a peach and if they are out of season I'm not attached to having it.  This is why there are two words with two definitions.

Without want or desire there is no life. But we have choice about being attached to the fulfillment of our wants or desires.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: Icelander]
    #14514894 - 05/26/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Again, our disagreement is over our definition of want, not what we're trying to say.


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Re: Life is suffering - Why? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14520400 - 05/27/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"No reason?"

i find this answer the simplest and easiest to understand



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