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Mawkiie42o
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Is my monotub recipe up to par?
#14492232 - 05/22/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I'm preparing my monotubs for a party and this is what I'll be throwing in, just wanted to know suggestions or a thumbs up before proceeding.
I'll be using 106 qt monotubs, Also doing bulk.
5-6 Quarts of Spawn [WBS] to 2 Bricks of coir [16 quarts ; is this too much coir?] and 1 Quart of Starbucks & 1 quart of Verm.
I'll probably/most likely do a casing layer of just Verm very very thinly on half of the tubs after 100% colonization, and throw it in fruiting conditions immediately afterwards.
I've had good results without casing layers but I see 50% like it and 50% dislike.
How's this all sound? Imputs would be highly appreciated. Thaaanks.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14492279 - 05/22/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds good.
The spawn ratio may be a hair low for a 106 qt. tub ...
I'll use 6 qts of spawn for a 72 qt. tub.
You might consider another source of N instead of coffee grounds unless you have some experience with it ... I'll 'fortify' coir with earth worm castings and or Hpoo.
Don't forget gypsum at about 5% or a little more of total.
good luck.
those big tubs will rock if all goes well ... high spawn ratio will get them colonized and out of danger quickly.
edit. just re-read your recipe ... I'd use way more vermiculite .... 4 qts. at least for a tub that big.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: uncle_rico]
#14492383 - 05/22/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use hpoo but yeah I'd add some gypsum for sure I put a whole quart into my 54qt monotubs and yeah a bit more verm will act as a water resevoir in the substrate which will be especially befeficial to a large tub with plenty of surface area, just don't forget to hydrate your coir with all the other additives and the verm separately before you eventually mix the two together and then pasteurize.
I personally don't see the need to case cubes at all and I skip that step in my monotubs, some people swear by it but tests have shown that their is no benefits in yield by casing but you are adding another step which can contaminate your grow.
Good luck with your monster monotub
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: STR80180]
#14492440 - 05/22/11 02:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"I personally don't see the need to case cubes at all and I skip that step in my monotubs, some people swear by it but tests have shown that their is no benefits in yield by casing but you are adding another step which can contaminate your grow."
I generally agree (out of general laziness) .. I have been having some trichoderma issues with my uncased, outside tubs ... and just finished fruiting two that had casing layers ... primarily for contamination control. Cased with 50/50+ (peat/verm with gypsum and hydrated lime) that had a ph of 8.0 to 8.5. Trich doesn't like a ph in this range but the mushrooms will tolerate it. having a ph around 8 will get me another 10 days which is enough for a nice flush.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: uncle_rico]
#14492472 - 05/22/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice, it really is finding what works best for you and if I was getting trich from uncased and having more success with casing by all means I would be casing for sure, I also fan and mist my monotubs and remove the polyfil after 100% colonization, which isnt apart of the original tek but I've found I get better results and less contams by giving the tubs as much fae as possible during the fruiting stage.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: uncle_rico]
#14498647 - 05/23/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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uncle_rico said: Cased with 50/50+ (peat/verm with gypsum and hydrated lime) that had a ph of 8.0 to 8.5. Trich doesn't like a ph in this range but the mushrooms will tolerate it. having a ph around 8 will get me another 10 days which is enough for a nice flush.
can anyone else varify this PH lvl that trich cant tolerate? Im searching now on the web but wondering if anyone else would agree with this statement and has practiced this method. very interesting.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: Spector]
#14498989 - 05/23/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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uncle_rico said: Cased with 50/50+ (peat/verm with gypsum and hydrated lime) that had a ph of 8.0 to 8.5. Trich doesn't like a ph in this range but the mushrooms will tolerate it. having a ph around 8 will get me another 10 days which is enough for a nice flush.
can anyone else varify this PH lvl that trich cant tolerate? Im searching now on the web but wondering if anyone else would agree with this statement and has practiced this method. very interesting.
That is the sole reason we use hydrated lime in casing layers. I can independently verify those findings from when I used to extensively ph test my casings.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: prismism]
#14499489 - 05/23/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah thank you for all the answers and suggestions.
I'll be revising my recipe then!
Originally: 5-6 Quarts of Spawn [WBS] to 2 Bricks of coir [16 quarts ; is this too much coir?] and 1 Quart of Starbucks & 1 quart of Verm
Revised: 8-9 Quarts of Spawn [WBS] to 2 Bricks of coir [16 quarts] & 4 quart of Verm & 2 Quarts of gypsum.
Furthermore, should I mix Verm/Gypsum together before I enter that into the mix of Coir & Spawn?
On another note I was actually thinking doing a layers, by mixing coir with additives (Verm n Gypsum) then putting a layer of Coir+ then onward layer of spawn, followed by Coir+ then a layer of spawn and etc. ^^^^ Any suggestions or tips?
As for replacing Starbuckz, where would I find such things as worm castings and how much would they be to aquire a adequete amount for my grow?
Btw I'll have a range of 8-10 totes. As a few will be trail runs with certain teks and experiments.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14500535 - 05/23/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you make your coir mix you will mix your coir, gypsum, and coffee (or whatever additives) together and hydrate to field capacity and then you will hydrate your verm seperately to field capacity and they you mix the coir mix and the verm together and then pasturise.
Ive always had more luck and quicker colonisation by using the layering method of mixing your spawn but alot of people do mix it with a clean spoon or something and have just as good results.
You can get worm casings from any good hardware store with a good garden section should have worm casing they normally come in 20 kg bags though around here.
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Mawkiie42o
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: STR80180]
#14500930 - 05/23/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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How much worm casting do you use in your 54 qt tubs?
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: prismism]
#14500940 - 05/23/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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uncle_rico said: Cased with 50/50+ (peat/verm with gypsum and hydrated lime) that had a ph of 8.0 to 8.5. Trich doesn't like a ph in this range but the mushrooms will tolerate it. having a ph around 8 will get me another 10 days which is enough for a nice flush.
can anyone else varify this PH lvl that trich cant tolerate? Im searching now on the web but wondering if anyone else would agree with this statement and has practiced this method. very interesting.
That is the sole reason we use hydrated lime in casing layers. I can independently verify those findings from when I used to extensively ph test my casings.
thanks for the verification! sounds good, iv always wondered why it was in recipes, but never looked into it too much.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: Spector]
#14500970 - 05/23/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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earthworm castings are not worth spending money on at all. After significant testing I decided I could not detect any improvement adding ewc to coir. If you're going to supplement coir use some kind of manure.
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14501042 - 05/23/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont bother with worm casings or coffee grinds dude my substrate mix is hpoo/verm/gypsum which holds plenty of nutrients for multiple flushes In my experience
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: STR80180]
#14501086 - 05/23/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i noticed better performance when i added a quart of coffee per brick of coir
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: STR80180]
#14501857 - 05/23/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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some stuff on earth worm castings ....
" .. The high species diversity of microorganisms serves as a protector against disease as well as helps to control disease. In addition, the microorganisms break down soil nutrients making them readily available to plant root hairs. Castings also stabilize soil aggregates to enhance water-holding ability. They are high in nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium, magnesium, and trace minerals that are available immediately and time released for maximum results."
copied from ...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGEQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yelmworms.com%2Forganic-fertilizer%2F&rct=j&q=earth%20worm%20castings%20nitrogen&ei=XDPbTYK4GI6asAOHsZynDg&usg=AFQjCNGfZ4Z1m0ZL33dcM5i6IT2xirvIXg&cad=rja
I like the idea of beneficial microbial activity and nutrients ... to mimic Hpoo if I am using straight coir.
It works great with plants ... thinking it is beneficial in substrates for us ... hope it's more than wishful thinking ..
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: STR80180]
#14503690 - 05/24/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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STR80180 said: I dont bother with worm casings or coffee grinds dude my substrate mix is hpoo/verm/gypsum which holds plenty of nutrients for multiple flushes In my experience
I don't use Hpoo in my grows, Maybe later on in this hobbie I will end up doing it depending on certain attributes but for the time being I won't be, So a additive of Coffee or worm castings should assure me a Nutritious grow.
As for now I'm calling around nurserys for worm castings.
Ah shit I have been reading backwards and all these different answers are splitting my road...
Okay I might end up using Hpoo... Depending on how easy it is to deal with. So As my revised recipe, how much Hpoo would I need? Could someone kinda just ballpark/wing my recipe up for me just so I can get a number to work with? Just for bases of supplies, so I don't over/Under do it.
Thanks. Sorry for the confusion? lol
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14503849 - 05/24/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I mix my bulk substrate in 5 gallon buckets. A little more than 1/2 a bucket will do a nice 72 qt. tub.
so ... for your 108 qt. tub .... start with 3/4 + of a bucket and see how that goes.
A lot of us don't do exact measuring ... just throw it together.
My standard mix:
half Hpoo, half coir ... amended with vermiculite (about 20%) and gypsum (about 5%).
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Mawkiie42o
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Re: Is my monotub recipe up to par? [Re: uncle_rico]
#14524520 - 05/28/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for your help! I just started 4 tubs now in incubator, ah a week or so and then FC! I'll post pics layter.
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